Eric_Draven Posted March 25, 2002 Share Posted March 25, 2002 Technically I'm not a newcomer to Aberrant, since I run my own game, but it seemed more appropriate to ask this here, than on the Trinity boards. So here's the question..What happened to make the Novas sooo ugly and twisted in Trinity? I've only played the miniture game so I know nothing story-wise for it. So any help on this would be greatly appreciated. Kind of embarassing to own every other WW book under the sun besides A! and Trinity.. :blush Or maybe its more embarassing to own that many? :blush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Posted March 25, 2002 Share Posted March 25, 2002 Lessee... I think they went bad starting on the day when this satellite came crashing to Earth. What was the name? Galoshes? No... Goulash? That's not right, either. Galatea? Something like that. :sly I think we should put all the squids and "Benefactors" (that'll make him look) in a big room and let the Paw Paws take care of whatever's left.-Joseph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Mal Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 To clarify what the monkey Joseph could not, some Nova's (those generally seen by humanity in the Trinty era) have evolved due to high taint levels, this is a minor factor in the Aberrant game causing minor mutations and psychosis, however by the Trinity era most Aberrants are crazed psychopathic space monster types (oh how the mighty have fallen, I told them they should have listened to me, chrysalis I said its the way forward I said, but oh no its just harmless wee taint they said :crazy ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 *Ahem* Mal, I think someone's taint is showing. -Joseph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Mal Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 Why? are your flies open? :sly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted March 31, 2002 Share Posted March 31, 2002 Most of the Aberrants seen in Trinity are cthulhoid space horrors because most of them are the offspring or creations of an Aberrant called The Colony, which is an insane warped freak that looks something like Kerrigan from Starcraft, only alot less cute.There are non hentai-tentacle-porn looking Aberrants, though. In most of the Order books more "normal" looking Aberrants show up, and there are some in Terra Verde who's Taint levels are so low that they actually still have a Psi score of 1.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredrikSvanberg Posted March 31, 2002 Share Posted March 31, 2002 I really hate how Trinity mixes up Taint with Quantum, it's awfully confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHILL Posted March 31, 2002 Share Posted March 31, 2002 Hiya Fred.Trin doesn;t actually mix them up. If you remember, Quantum didn't exist even as a concept at the time Trinity was written. Tain was the be all and end all of Aberrant powers.Quantum came about with the new book (Aberrant RPG) and the new developer.Imagine that Taint (as more is gained, and it overtakes a Nova's Quantum) eventually becomes dominant in a LOT of Nova's, possibly even erradicating their quantum in some way - so they HAVE to rely on Taint.Bingo! Trinity era Aberrants. Personally, I was confused as well when 'Aberrant' came out, and found out that they got their powers from 'Quantum'. heh heh.Anyone else confused eve more now?Sorry, I'll get back in my cage. :bigsmile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredrikSvanberg Posted March 31, 2002 Share Posted March 31, 2002 It would have been quite weird if you used Taint as a measure of power in Aberrant as well. It would be really difficult to resist loading up on it and become a cool cthulhoid monstrosity...Anyway, what I meant was that the prejudiced trinity world fails to see the difference between Quantum and Taint and that's what annoys me. I hate ignorance, even in fantasy worlds, and having humanity actually lose knowledge which it once possessed really gets on my nerves. I'm referring to scientific advances made from studying novas, or by novas, which is now lost because people have either destroyed the records, hidden them or don't want anything to do with them due to how they were gained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHILL Posted March 31, 2002 Share Posted March 31, 2002 I agree totally.But the 'ignorance' is enforced, rather than good old fashioned ignorance.We can thank the efforts of the Aeon Trinity's 'Project Rewrite' for that particular bit of ignorance............. of course, in no way should the Aeon Trinity be seen as the bad guys in the Trinity RPG setting, heh heh :wink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harlequin Posted April 1, 2002 Share Posted April 1, 2002 :butbut eeeek! :crazy you put "aeon" and "bad guy" in the same sentence! joseph is going to bring out his slides, tie us all to our seats, and give us a lecture on how aeon is ALWAYS the good guy! run for the hills, forget, that, run for your lives!!!-harle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Posted April 1, 2002 Share Posted April 1, 2002 Huh? :huh What? :notify Aeon the bad guys?!? :crazy Dammit, that's it. Where's my patented "The Aeon Society/Trinity are the Good Guys" kit?Hm...Slides and projector? Check!Laser pointer? Check!Steel chairs (bolted to the floor, of course)? Check!Unbreakable nylon rope? Check!Slightly used cattle prod? Check!Duct tape and sticky notes? Check!It's fine weather for a new Inquisition. :devil -JosephThe Inquisition! What a show! :music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harlequin Posted April 2, 2002 Share Posted April 2, 2002 see what i mean? :crazy -harle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heritage Posted April 3, 2002 Share Posted April 3, 2002 I remember a year or so ago there was a thread on the WW forum where people tried to come up with a formula of 'converting' Aberrant-era Quantum and taint into Trinity-era Taint - there was much debate on whether this was possible or even necessary, but it was pretty interesting. It's only really an issue if your converting an Aberrant charcters (Mal, Pax or one of your own) into their Trinty-era selves, which can be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thingmaker Posted April 14, 2002 Share Posted April 14, 2002 If one actually reads the write up about Aberrants on p26 of Trinity, the folks in 2120 are clearly referring to what was once called the Terragen. "These beings, who became known as Aberrants, wallowed in their own abilities and used them to satisfy their own desires, wihtout a unifying vision of what was best for humanity." If that ain't Neptunes definition of Teras, what is?Also, I'm going to have to take Admin to task (sorry, Chill me droog, got ta be done) about Project ReWrite. The onlythings that ReWrite did was cover up the naughtiness of Thetis and put an anti-Nova spin on information. Why did they go insane and become twisted? As has been pointed out, not all of them did. Witness the Novas of Eden. A big enough group of them did go lalala and butt-ugly to cause a problem when The Colony banded them together, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHILL Posted April 14, 2002 Share Posted April 14, 2002 ::nods:: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David 'Dr. Troll' Smith Posted April 16, 2002 Share Posted April 16, 2002 "...The only things that ReWrite did was cover up the naughtiness of Thetis and put an anti-Nova spin on information."Like surpressing the idea that the abbys were ever heroes or ever sane. And when the Teleporters found some who were still sane, the other groups didn't believe them to the point of trying to destroy the order. ReWrite didn't do everything, but they did enough. For that matter, we don't really know what they (or their predecessors) were doing decades ago. It isn't that much of a jump to imagine them destroying everything a nova ever did/said/worked on because they might have put some *influance* into it (like the newsman). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thingmaker Posted April 21, 2002 Share Posted April 21, 2002 Hiya DBuss! **:devil DING: Round One!**Like surpressing the idea that the abbys were ever heroes or ever sane.Who did that? The Trinity core book states quite plainly that they were sane heroes!Look at page 26 where Warren Shaw calls them \"the protectors of their era,\" and acknowledges that their time was \"a new golden age of heroes and potential.\"It isn't that much of a jump to imagine them destroying everything a nova ever did/said/worked onYes, actually, it is. According to a 2116 piece from Stahu portrayed on p66-68, the folks still alive who lived through those times relate that \"it was an age as wondrous and terrifying and... well, goledn... as any 'once upon a time.'\"And then there's this little thing called hyper-fusion...Remember, it was the APG that said that folk destroyed all the nova-tech before and during and the Aberrant war as wll as afterward. The Directive was involved as well as PU. Project re-write didn't come into play until two years after the exodus.And when the Teleporters found some who were still sane, the other groups didn't believe them to the point of trying to destroy the order.Gee whiz, DBuss, can't you at least separate your errors into different sentances? First off, the problem with the other orders was not disbelief of Edenite sanity. The problem began because Atwan lied about how long the Upeo had been in contact with Eden. The problem escalated because Atwan became defensive after her \"cautionary colouring\" had been discovered. If she had been up front from the get-go (she is one of the proxies with a reputation for honesty, no?) then there would have been much less cause for suspicion of sleeping with the enemy.Secondly, the other orders never intended the destruction of the Upeo, as you claim. The idea was to detain and restructure. That idea had, by the way, been fommenting prior to the discovery of Eden!ReWrite didn't do everything, but they did enough.I've seen one, count 'em, ONE reference to Project ReWrite in the entire collection of Æonverse books. It's on page 73 of the Trinity core book. I can't for the life of me fathom why people read so very much into the word "selectively." It's like shouting "Hey! They didn't put back Joey's VtM Website! They must be trying to hide something! Maybee vampires are real after all!"____Project ReWrite collected (OK, ok, confiscated & stole) every book and file that they could get their hands on in order to re-create a restored OpNet. The notion that this was done for the sole purpose of making novas out to be bad guys from the get go is just plain silly. I liken such a notion to the claims that America's welfare infrastructure exists to line the pockets of the rich - it only makes sense to the delusionally paranoid.Furthurmore, I challange anyone to demonstrate that the spiking of one kid's OpNet site was actually part of ongoing ReWrite efforts, and not an entirely different scheme of spin doctoring.**Ding!**Okay, Dan, your shot next! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thingmaker Posted April 21, 2002 Share Posted April 21, 2002 And another thing:Joseph's lectures are NOT to be made fun of! Brother Joseph the Righteous is doing GOD'S WORK!! :baaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHILL Posted April 21, 2002 Share Posted April 21, 2002 ::pulls up a seat:: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezekiel Posted April 21, 2002 Share Posted April 21, 2002 ::makes some popcorn:: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeon Posted April 23, 2002 Share Posted April 23, 2002 * Eats the popcorn. * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harlequin Posted April 24, 2002 Share Posted April 24, 2002 ::finds the empty popcorn bucket and looks for more popcorn::-harle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezekiel Posted April 27, 2002 Share Posted April 27, 2002 Just a quick remark...Is there really a difference between Taint and Quantum? At the end of the the trinity players guide (hehe, I own it now, muahahaaa!) it says something like Taint (referred to as Quantum by aberrants) (don't have it with me right now, busy studying *cough*)Soooo...In my opinion, quantum is just a term that was changed for propaganda's sake... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictorHFrost KSC Posted April 27, 2002 Share Posted April 27, 2002 i've heard this question before and here's my take. ok, in trinity timeline a lot of the initial info about novas is lost, the word nova is mostly filtered out even. i think that given stuff from players guide (mainly the things dealing with QK powers and how they use actual quantum not taint to mess with things) and stellar frontier with the descriptions of helios or whatever his name was (too tired, can't be sure right now) is that quantum and taint are indeed different when registered by psions, but only cosmetically so. i think a psion could read the difference between quantum and taint but would have no mistake that both came from an aberrant or aberrant powers. quantum and taint are different, but most everyone in trinity without some of that handy metaplot knowledge is going to treat them as if they were the same.jake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezekiel Posted April 27, 2002 Share Posted April 27, 2002 :dontgetit Maybe, but I think it said that QK registered as taint on attunement roles...But to be fair I haven't read Stellar frontiers and I've just scanned quickly through TPG... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictorHFrost KSC Posted April 27, 2002 Share Posted April 27, 2002 actually it says QK registers "similarly" and a psion with attunement "may sense QK as a weak taint effect". in stellar frontiers the upeo are all confused by helios because he doesn't have the destructive form of taint or something like that. they can see the difference but they don't have the history or education to understand what the difference is and why its important. taint does exist because its in aberrant and its what makes you go crazy (in a nutshell anyway) but it and quantum are registered similarly on the noetic spectrum, most likely because they have the same origin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slagheap Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 I think what the deal is in the Trinity time line is a problem of lack of vocabulary for Trinity era people. Psions have been told that the root of an Aberrant's power is taint, not quantum, and most Trinity era abbies have enough taint to make it appear to the igonorant eye of a psion that, that is infact where it is deriving it's power. Then they run into clean abbies (i.e. Apollo, not Helios thats the super computer in DX) they sense only nondisruptive taint. My thought is that since taint is a by product og quantum is feels simular, it's just also disquieting...I hope that made atleast a little since it's been a long day and I need some sleep.-Slag...oh yeah... :withstupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Posted May 28, 2002 Share Posted May 28, 2002 Hmm. Where is round two?Hotdogs anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slagheap Posted May 29, 2002 Share Posted May 29, 2002 Dude I totally thought I'd killed this tread like a month ago...I was counting that as my one true victory in life... ::smiley4 -Slag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harlequin Posted May 29, 2002 Share Posted May 29, 2002 sorry slag, it's hard to keep a good topic down, especially, with a good answer like that... i have to agree there, that would be a good IC explanation for the difference, i think the real reason is the gap between the two series and the two different developers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aninemity Posted May 29, 2002 Share Posted May 29, 2002 you can't win slag, you just can't! ::baaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slagheap Posted May 29, 2002 Share Posted May 29, 2002 Drat soiled again!!!! ::butbut But, thanks for the show of support Harle-Slag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harlequin Posted May 29, 2002 Share Posted May 29, 2002 not a problem... ::smokin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender Posted May 30, 2002 Share Posted May 30, 2002 Let me pitch in with my $0.02 and change. SH, I like your idea of the difference between Quantum and Taint. Considering that most of the aberrants that the Orders and the Aeon Trinity have encountered are in the service of the Colony, it could be that what they percieve as Taint is in fact the warping touch of the Colony upon it's followers/offspring. The "clean" novas of Eden and the assorted worlds of the Nova Alliance (as I like to call them) are those who live free of the Colony's clutches, and thus have a more pure Quantum signature than those in the service of the common enemy. As to Aberrants still on Earth. . .the accumulated Taint in the Blight causes aberrants who erupt there to have stunted and warped physiologies and psychologies. . .mm. Could it be that more powerful novas have a subtle, guiding effect on the eruption of nova newborns? Something to consider, at any rate. -Defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harlequin Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 i would say that yes they do... a powerful quantum signature tends to override others in the area... also, just being near a powerful nova can trigger eruption...i like the idea of the colony and the blights having some sort of uber-taint that the clean novas don't have... i'm thinking almost like a quantum version of hepatitus or some other virulent disease... this bears more thinking about... thank you for the ideas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 You're welcome Harle. I've been toying with this idea for a while now as it just seemed to make sense. If all the Colony's aberrants are Taint-crazed monsters then how can they accomplish anything with any kind of coordination? Unless they were linked somehow under some kind of collective control. Maybe the Colony is as much virus as he/she/they/it is a central villain figure. Perhaps this "communal Taint" is even seen as a sign of favor from the Master/Mistress, because of the status of such aberrants as Kali and Yog-Death. -Defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harlequin Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 care to take this discussion into the war! forum, or have you not gotten ahold of mal yet? if not, email me... i really like this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender Posted June 1, 2002 Share Posted June 1, 2002 I'd like to get in on Aberrant War, but so far I have heard nothing from the lord of Teras save ominous silence. . .*sniffles* Guess he really doesn't luv me. . . -Defender. ::huh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHILL Posted June 1, 2002 Share Posted June 1, 2002 Defender - check your email buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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