SeaEagle Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Fox, Please, I'm dropping my suggestion. It's obviously stirring things up again. This is making me very uncomfortable, and I want to avoid escalation. I would rather what's best for the game I think. I'm letting personal feelings get in the way of better judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Fox Posted April 5, 2012 Author Share Posted April 5, 2012 It's no problem. You simply beat me to the punch with your post. I was composing my reply before you rescinded your suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaEagle Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 It happens. It always happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin OOC Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 John(Chris in IE prime) and Connor (CN) are exptremely different yes and I did go around asking players if they were okay with it after the rule was made to be sure.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Fox Posted April 5, 2012 Author Share Posted April 5, 2012 Yep, and the consensus was that everyone was fine with it. You don't need to worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaEagle Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 It should also be mentioned that this happened when it was I, Fox, and Justin with maybe Jeremy at the time I think too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin OOC Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Varro as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaEagle Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Ah, can't forget DL. I guess School/His Startup are stealing his recreational time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novakowski Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 MR FOX is my character ok or do i need to redesign it for better play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novakowski Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Question it is stated that 80 natives was active in 2012. you say that the gov't does't trust the non native but with nova's ability they would be able to quikly make them self valiable as even mega 1 would allow them to make corporation trillions in 2 or 3 yrs and mega 1 dex would allow teams to hire them for millions a year. sinch there would only be 180 max with avg quantum 2 to 3 and 15 nova points and less the 4 or five with quatium of 5 and one with q6 cross time treavel. am i wrong ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novakowski Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 how open were they when they came here this would color people attidute toward them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novakowski Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 i can see the gov't attidute toward them as they quikly enter socity and vanish these people would be wartorn as shuch they would't trust gov't or internatural organization. the gov't would see them as anti-gov't, insanly dangous radials who convince the world they are victims i can see some hiding not want to get involved but as years pass they would return to lime light i don't think nova's can help it they need noetic energy (= to people) ( new flesh pg163-164) for their well being so they will gather in crowds. plus sinch they are war vets ( when every tring to kill you) thier knee jerk reaction is to hit back hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin OOC Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 there's no q6 also you can't use anything from the compendium, and there's no eufiber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z-Coyote-Mad Scientist Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 i can see the gov't attidute toward them as they quikly enter socity and vanish these people would be wartorn as shuch they would't trust gov't or internatural organization. the gov't would see them as anti-gov't, insanly dangous radials who convince the world they are victims i can see some hiding not want to get involved but as years pass they would return to lime light i don't think nova's can help it they need noetic energy (= to people) ( new flesh pg163-164) for their well being so they will gather in crowds. plus sinch they are war vets ( when every tring to kill you) thier knee jerk reaction is to hit back hard. Nova, welcome to CN. First, I'm going to ask that in the future you please edit previous posts if you need to add more questions or thoughts to a post. And as Fox said, the more grammar, capitalization and punctuation you use, the easier it is for people to read your posts. It's considered polite to be as clear as you possibly can in your writing. We do know that people have different writing styles and we accommodate those, but any help you can give us will be really appreciated! First, if you haven't read CN - World Building, I suggest you do so ASAP. That thread details some of the differences between the canon Abby world and CN. That should help clear up those questions for you. Second, you make a lot of statements about 'they' and 'them' but aren't clear who you mean. I think you mean the Refugees; if so, there's already a write up on them in the World Building thread. It goes over the information you asked about in brief. Your remarks about them being vets aren't entirely accurate; most of the Refugees are support-types like Faces and Brains. The hard-core fighters were mostly killed in the war or getting their weaker allies off-world. So while some will have trust issues and PTSD, I do ask that you remember that not all of them will have the same reaction to the same situation; a Utopian will have a very different reaction to anything than a Terat. Last, I'm not sure what you mean by novas needing noetic energy. They don't; they operate off quantum energy. Psiads are the ones fueled by noetic energy. Psiads do exist in CN; as far as I know, you can play one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Fox Posted April 6, 2012 Author Share Posted April 6, 2012 Yep, no reason you couldn't play a Psiad, but they aren't the Psions of Trinity, there are no Dovyen boosting their potentials. In fact, there is no guarantee that any of the alien species of Canon Aberrant even exist in this setting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novakowski Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Sorry about the bad spelling. I made a mistake in that I thought this was the main page. the text was referencing was new flesh page 163 the quantum matrix also people are people they rely on others for validation this is taught in college so this is my chat site exist self-help etc. I was trying to figure out the worlds attuded compare to the gov't. How much technology exist compare to aberrant cannon. As there is no utopia to steal nova's research is there I thread about this if so I’m sorry to ask here about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novakowski Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 you are right my post are a nightmare to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z-Coyote-Mad Scientist Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Sorry about the bad spelling. I made a mistake in that I thought this was the main page. the text was referencing was new flesh page 163 the quantum matrix also people are people they rely on others for validation this is taught in college so this is my chat site exist self-help etc. I was trying to figure out the worlds attuded compare to the gov't. How much technology exist compare to aberrant cannon. As there is no utopia to steal nova's research is there I thread about this if so I’m sorry to ask here about it. No, that's not a problem. You're right, there is no black tech (though Karrie's got one machine which she hasn't told anyone about or ever used because she thinks its too dangerous) yet. It'll be interesting to see how people start to respond to the increasingly powerful toys that are being made. you are right my post are a nightmare to read. Hey, so long as you're trying to improve I'm going to be content. I do appreciate the effort you're putting into it. As an aside to all CN players: I'm going to kick off the plot thread soon. If you want to participate, you need to have a fully- and correctly-statted PC posted with numbers and background in the Character forum. I can bring people in after we start it, if you're not ready in time. Just remember that you can't start in the thread until your PC is fully ready to go. I should have the first post finished after work tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novakowski Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 thank you ill post a copy of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z-Coyote-Mad Scientist Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 Nova, I saw your character sheet. I have some feedback for you. Avoiding the government isn't a good way to get to interact with the other PCs in this game. I think most of us are working for government agencies, which means avoiding agents of the government means avoiding most of the other characters as well. I know that the plot I have coming up pretty much requires that your PC be someone that an agency like the DSA would call if something came up. Just a bit of feedback for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novakowski Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 Thank you I see my character trying to avoid gov't agency but not nova's them self so department 0 can ask for help he will grumble but will assist as he is needed but not as a lap dog which means if they are located in France he would help out but pretend it was just because he needed a favor so he will give one in return or U.S hired T.C.R.I for some job he was around to land a hand. mind you the gov' t asked he will help people it the right thing to do but after 20yrs in military he won’t lay down if the orders are wrong he will do the right thing. The simple truth is that he will do what he is asked for the most part but never without complaining and charge them arm and leg. That is different as it is peer to peer. I fixed my background. Thank you for your feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Story Guide Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 Karrie - I noticed on your character sheet that you paid for Quantum Rating. According to the CN rules you can start with up to Q5 at the start for free. Am I reading something wrong on your sheet or in the CN rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaEagle Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 If she paid for her Q5, then she made a mistake. Thing is I think I remember her doing that, realized she made a mistake, and was correcting the problem. I think she just hasn't had time yet to post the update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Story Guide Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 I and Asa are making novas that erupted as elves. For my character, the type of elf is like one from Lord of the Rings. I'd like to take Unaging (M-Stam Enhancement from TNF) for the character as a Body Mod, as I'm also putting the Fragile aberration on the character and so M-Stam doesn't make sense for them at all. Is this acceptable to the current players? It has been suggested that is be a 1 NP Body Mod. If this acceptable, I might like to ask the same for a few other Enhancements that fit the racial profile for elves. I'm think right now of Electromagnetic Vision. I'm trying to make a base that fits the D&D/LotR elf concept, which is no where near as superhuman as M-Attributes become with even 1 point in them. Also, I'd like to put an aberration on the character that prevents them from taking suite powers. They can take individual techs, but they're learning them as individual "spells", so no grouping. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailor OOC Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 Forgive my posting as Kamiko, but here is my take... A good number of Enhancements I feel would be allowable as body modifications. Agelessness I think is one of them. Yes it's from the FC, put your torches and pitchforks down. Agelessness is a enhancement that is... pretty much a fluff enhancement. It would be a far better idea (and makes sense) to take as a penny body mod than a nickel enhancement. One, I would thank Mala for asking about it. Two, I personally approve Mala's idea. Oh, I would rather take Unaging personally... and I feel that is still worth being a body mod as much as a Enhancement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Story Guide Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 This is my idea so far: Elf traits - (A mix of LotR and D&D elves because that's what s/he knew at eruption) Body Mods: 12 NP Artimis' Bow (M-Dex) Catfooted (M-Dex) Perfect Balance (M-Dex) Physical Prodigy (M-Dex) Ultraviolet Vision (M-Per) Restorative Activity x2 (Meditation, static benefit of 30 minutes of meditation for 1 hour of sleep/total relaxation) (M-Sta) Unaging (M-Sta) Improved Attribute: Dexterity, Perception, Intelligence, Appearance Merits & Flaws: -7 BP Acute Sense - Hearing Acute Sense - Sight Quantum Integrity Sexy Minority - mostly for assumptions made about someone that has "made" themselves look like an elf Aberrations: +7 BP Aberrant Ears Distinctive Looks Sex Object Surreality Fragile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Fox Posted April 7, 2012 Author Share Posted April 7, 2012 Actually, I would disagree with your assessment in one way Mala. LOTR elves would definitely qualify for Mega Stamina of 1 dot. Tolkien's elves were hardier and able to withstand much more hardship than humans. Especially the ones who went to the undying lands and lived with the Vala. Even the wood elves that never went into the west like Legolas could hang with the best humans. Tolkien elves were anything but fragile. Now, DnD elves, that's a different story. Not that you have to take stamina or anything, you can be fragile if you want, it would all be up to the character's subconscious as to how they turned out. Either way, it's an interesting idea and I look forward to seeing more on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z006 Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 Well, I was trying to take a bit from both columns. She'd've made a DnD character, and so know the stats from there, but also have some of the movie/books in her mind as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Cassidy Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 Hmm, I've pondered using Enhancements without having the associated Mega-Attribute before for other characters. Personally, I don't see much issue with it, aside from the fact that this would apply to my proposed character too. However, to keep it fair with others, cost-wise, even if the enhancements fall under Body Modifications - I guess for Disrupt and other rules interactions - people should still have to buy them at the same price as a regular enhancement (3np, or 2np for in-theme), without also getting the benefit of the price-break for Body Mods. Maybe say people also have to buy a minor Body Mod (Elven, in our case) for an NP or two, that allows us to buy the thematically grouped enhancements without the Mega-Attributes. I'm not sure all the Dex-based Enhancements are truly necessary to portray an elf, though I see where you are coming from, Mala. On the other hand, Unaging, Restorative Activity, and the Improved Attributes are dead on the money. Ultraviolet Vision (only that benefit, without the others from Electromagnetic Vision) I would say would cost 1np, instead of 3np (or 2np in-theme). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Story Guide Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 Honestly, I'd love to see Enhancements allowed without having to take the M-Att in general. This wouldn't make much sense for some Enhancements, but many of them aren't dependent on the M-Att rating at all. Would the CN players be up for that House Rule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailor OOC Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 Well... I could see Enhancements being bought separately. It would destroy some of the importance of mega attributes, there is still the benefits that a MAtt could give independently. Anyways, I think that in general I am fine with having Enhancements being purchasable independent of a Mega Attribute. To be honest I don't see anythign wrong with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Fox Posted April 8, 2012 Author Share Posted April 8, 2012 I don't have an issue with it. It's no different than buying a power, and there are a lot of situations where some enhancements would even make perfect sense under a different mega-att. I think we should look at what the enhancement does to consider it's cost. Some are the equivalent of lvl 1 powers like The Voice, and some would be more like lvl 2 powers such as Adaptability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Story Guide Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 Do we want to get that complicated? That would mean going over every available Enhancement and assigning it an equivalent power level, instead of just following the flat cost already listed in the rules. Also, would Enhancements that you can purchase multiple times simply become a power? My vote is to leave it simple, with the costs listed in the book (yes, some might should be more expensive or less, but I think it's a wash overall). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin OOC Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 In theme enhancements are 2np(3xp), out of theme are 3np(5xp) and let's keep it to stuff from the books we've approved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Cassidy Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 Yes, I agree, keep it simple, with the flat-costs for enhancements (in-theme and out of theme), sort of like Body Modifications (though again, without the in-theme price-cut, to avoid double-dipping). Multiple ranks still wouldn't really turn into a power - some Body Mods have multiple ranks too. For Enhancements that are based on your dots in the associated Mega-Attribute, I say the they are counted on the very minimum needed to have an effect. So, usually, one extra die for those granting 1 die or success for dot in the Mega-Attribute. Those granting an Attribute roll would just use the base-attribute with no Megas added. Really, for the vast majority, any enhancement bought outside of the associated Attribute shouldn't be reliant on the number of dots in the attribute to determine its effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Fox Posted April 8, 2012 Author Share Posted April 8, 2012 Flat costs are fine with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Story Guide Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 My thought was those that required the Mega be left alone except for accepted variants put up for the group to approve or disallow. Such as the Restorative Activity variant for the elf idea: it gives a flat benefit (in this case, acting as if the character had M-Stam 2) that never changes even if the character later develops the M-Att to the point that they would have a higher bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novakowski Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 Just wanted to say Happy Easter Every one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaEagle Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 Mala: So if it requires the Mega Attribute to function, then you can't buy it separately. Makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Fox Posted April 8, 2012 Author Share Posted April 8, 2012 Umi, which enhancement are you referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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