needle Posted July 28, 2002 Share Posted July 28, 2002 Looks like theres another book that was promised to us years ago. Abby Underworld is now out for download from WW. What will it be like ? I'll let you folks know, the cover looks nice though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHILL Posted July 28, 2002 Share Posted July 28, 2002 ::thumbs-up Looking forward to your review Needle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harlequin Posted August 9, 2002 Share Posted August 9, 2002 has no one bought the book yet? ::huh i was looking forward to a review... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHILL Posted August 9, 2002 Share Posted August 9, 2002 um, I have it.. have given it a bit of a read but don't think ill get a chance to review it anytime soon........ anyone out there kind enough to review it for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metaphysician Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 I've read it. Its okay, but very uneven. The Camerelli-Zhukov and Nakato sections are pretty good, if unsurprising. However, the Heaven Thunder Triad section makes them out to be an invincible conspiracy *WAAY* too much, and the Medellin Cartel section rather randomly turns them into a cryptofascist 4th Reich organization.All in all, it reads like a post-cancellation notice product that didn't get much beyond first draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueNinja Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 I've read it. Its okay, but very uneven. The Camerelli-Zhukov and Nakato sections are pretty good, if unsurprising. However, the Heaven Thunder Triad section makes them out to be an invincible conspiracy *WAAY* too much, and the Medellin Cartel section rather randomly turns them into a cryptofascist 4th Reich organization.All in all, it reads like a post-cancellation notice product that didn't get much beyond first draft. I've skimmed it, and there's only one part that I really remember, which is a big gripe about one of their NPCs in the Medillin. The female nova, with Pretercognition, Premonition, and a bunch of other skills relating to probability and the future, much the same way the Mathematician is portrayed. Except her justification for knowing it is having learned Hari Seldon's psychohistory.Except that both Hari Seldon, and psychohistory, and fictional creations of Isaac Asimov from his Foundation series, and therefore can't be learned by anyone in the real world, or even the Aberrant world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Green Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Considering her background and how she seemed to know the future before she erupted, I would have simply made her a Psiad. That even helps a lot with why it's so hard to figure out that the drug dealer has nova help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Thunder Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 More than anything, I just ask: Why? Did we really need a book detailing criminal cartels?Why not a book fleshing out the Aberrant faction? Why not another Worldwide book? Why not a book about the government nova groups that were never explained, like Exploding Heavenly Mandate, Column Shiva, etc.? Why not a book about independant novas, like novox entertainers and nova celebrities? Why not a book about all of the businesses and corporations hiring, run, or owned by novas, like Novelty Consulting and ViaSoft? Why not a book about the religious impact of novas and all of the cults that have sprung up since 1998? Why not a world book detailing governments, wars, conflicts, and political novas as of 2015?I agree about the Heaven Thunder Triad...they're made out to be craftier than The Directive, Project Proteus, and the Aberrants all combined and multiplied by 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Green Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 Why? Because some novas are going to go out and rob banks and sell drugs. With power comes opportunity... and this could even be a player choice. Lots of PCs are going to think that the wrong side of the law is the side to be on... and "bad" books can sell well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Watson Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 I've seen people resurrect old threads before, but this one was more than four years old before metaphysician got a hold of it. Veritable thread necromancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metaphysician Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 Across the various boards I've posted on, this is hardly my most extreme necromancing.As an aside, all those various book ideas you mention, Blue Thunder? All good ideas, and I'm sure if the line lasted longer, we'd have seen some or all of them.The problem is, the line *did* end. . . and Underworld just happened to be one of the last books not quite finished.Not that there aren't poor books in the line. Expose: Aberrant was a ripoff that should have been a full sized book. Church of Michael Archangel could have used some actually OOC information in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcat82 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 I've read it. Its okay, but very uneven. The Camerelli-Zhukov and Nakato sections are pretty good, if unsurprising. However, the Heaven Thunder Triad section makes them out to be an invincible conspiracy *WAAY* too much, and the Medellin Cartel section rather randomly turns them into a cryptofascist 4th Reich organization.All in all, it reads like a post-cancellation notice product that didn't get much beyond first draft.I dont know, but I think that Ian's snag here is not really that the thread is old Meta, but that CHILL, Harlequin and Needle have not been here regularly for a couple of years (about since the site moved I think), so your answer is to a large degree redundant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Thunder Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 I don't mind thread necromancy. There are plenty of threads I'd like to dredge up because I actually want to talk about the subjects in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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