SalmonMax Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Right, well, in materials at least it's not necessary to have zero G. Alex can just create the material in its enhanced state, as if it had been crystallized in zero G, when she creates the material. If there are things zero-G can help us with other than that, it could be useful to have access to warps and so on as well...but I can't think of many things that we'd need a weightless environment for.The challenge is going to be where to do the building. Because it'll have to be done in sections we can't just build it out in the water. But the hull isn't designed to support its own weight sitting on the ground either...it could be damaged. In a shipyard, they have cranes and structures that hold the sections in place and allow them to be welded together....but we haven't got a shipyard.I suppose Alex could create cranes, or some other way to hold the pieces up...Hehe. She wasn't really planning on rushing like this...got ahead of ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantum Fire Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Don't forget, Maia can do all of the work of a crane if needed.. especially sense she can fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalmonMax Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Arr, but she's just one person. We'll need a system that can hold two hull sections long enough for Alex to bond them together. She'll be faster than welding (and better) since she can use her molecular control to fuse them...but it'll still take time. And then the conjoined sections will still have to be held while the third section is made and bonded. And then the fourth...etc...It can't be put in the water until the whole thing is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krul Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 Well, I was simply pointing out that some of Alex's foster siblings can do some of the stuff that normally a crane or a framework would be needed for... and quicker too. But while Maia and Butch could do some of the heavy lifting, I imagine that some framework would be necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin OOC Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 is there a cave large enough on the island? or can one be made without compromising the islands structural integrity? just have a large underwater cave, excavate if need be, and make a sea door... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalmonMax Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Hmm...if there was enough solid rock, Alex could use her Molecular Control to excavate a construction area fairly easily, with no pesky rubble to clear away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin OOC Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 I figured as much, but it really becomes a question of where on the island to do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courier Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Build it in space and then figure out a way to land it in the water without getting caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantum Fire Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Yes, there are potential caves on the island, there is quite a bit of underground structure as it is.. and some of the caves are alright half underwater.. though non of those are the size needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courier Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Question: Warren has a decently high node, do we have a power source at our current base such that he could recharge? Nuke plant or whatever... I *think* we're running off of geo-thermal but I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karren Gaunt Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 Dramatic irony, I know, but my muse had nothing else to give. Sorry sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantum Fire Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Geothermal.. and I think it's time to move things forward a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantum Fire Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 After I go see Kung Fu Panda 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantum Fire Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Ok, the movie was awesome.. now.. action at 12, make up your minds in discussion, or working on the submarine... feel free to form your own threads also.. as Cora did, they don't all have to be in the past either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karren Gaunt Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Whee! Assuming Krull approves my XP expenditures, shall post today in Agreements and Disagreements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalmonMax Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Posting a fic to cover the submarine construction. I'm ficcing it because it's a very specific task of which large parts of can be handled by Alex alone.However, others can join if they like...and Alex is paging Warren even now as she moves from Plan A (I'll make the sub with my powers) to Plan B (I'll steal one of the existing hulls, bring it into the cave, and modify it as needed to suit my specifications).This is all based on the rules for Matter Creation. In order to create a 10 ton segment of the hull, Alex would need 13 successes. Her Matter Creation + Wits dice pool is 13 dice. And a 10 ton hull segment is a TINY fraction of the entire thing. If she was forced to work with pieces that small, she'd run out of Willpower (to make it permanent) LONG before it was complete.It's just too big, and too complex.Fortunately, there's an alternative. Six Typhoons were made by the Soviet Union. 3 were scrapped, and one remains in active service. That means there's two hulls somewhere, not being used but not yet scrapped. All we have to do is find one, strap a motor to it, and make a warp in front of it. Assuming we can make a warp that big. If not...things get hairier. We might have to steal the one that WORKS in that case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalmonMax Posted May 30, 2011 Share Posted May 30, 2011 Okay, now I'm roffling because I just now saw the 'We All Live In a Submarine' thread that Q posted.Bargle.Okay Q, how d'ya want to handle it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courier Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 PM for ST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalmonMax Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Submarine building - Vital question for GMI've been reading up on Alexandra's other powers. Something jumped out at me.Molecular Alteration doesn't appear to be limited by mass. Successes can cause changes in final size versus starting size, and cover changes in composition and complexity...but nowhere does it say a maximum amount of mass can be affected.So my question is...would it be possible for Alex to locate a mass of rock...say, about 50 or 60 thousand tons of it...and simply change it into a submarine hull with only 5 successes on her Int+Molecular Control roll (a 15 dice pool...more if she uses her Prodigy dice)? Or would you like to place a mass cap per power usage...to prevent someone more opportunistic than I from saying, "I turn the Earth into a sea of formic acid?"If you rule that it's possible for Alex to manufacture the sub with three or less usages of her Molecular Alteration ability...which is like Matter Creation, but she has to start with something first...then I can just nuke the Et Facta Ex Lux thread entirely, since its existence is based on the notion that manufacturing the submarine ourselves is not possible.Posting will then resume in the IC thread you made.Otherwise I'll keep things how they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courier Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 You might want to simply impose a diff per mass difference. In that case buying/stealing a sub would be needed to give a starting base that Alex could change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantum Fire Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 As a benchmark, I think using the Matter Creation mass table would work for that ability, on another note, turning a stone submarine into a metal one is not impossible, and I prefer to follow the rule of cool in this case... but it would be an extremely unusual effect, and take her a week of constantly draining her quantum reserves. It would also cost her a fairly large chunk of permanent willpower, if you want her to do this.It would be slightly easier to have Warren warp large chunks of metal, of which there are tons of around a certain moon, which are already of the right materials... though that would leave both Warren and Alex drained almost to nothing for days as they work on the project. Still, it is easier to fuse and shape metal using Molecular Manipulation Shape Alteration technique, as solids hold their shape indefinitely.On a side note, if you had Molecular Authority, I would say yes without question.. *winks* but that awaits apotheosis. However, if Alex chooses either of these paths, there is a chance forcing herself though this will invoke her next stage (and a chance for Warren also in the second case).. I will have to make the rolls and see what comes of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalmonMax Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Well, Shape Matter is permanent, but it can't ALL be done with just shaping. The hull will have to have electronic components and moving parts in it as well. And then there's all the stuff that goes into the hull, like the reactors and the furniture and so on.So I guess the question is, assuming we strip mine that moon as suggested, how much willpower will Alex have to spend, assuming she uses Shape Matter wherever possible?Also, you can nuke the current Fic. I'll either start a new one fresh, or use your IC thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantum Fire Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Just do it, and I'll let you know.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courier Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 :Sigh: It's bed time and I'm fried. I'll post in Agreements and Disagreements tomorrow I swear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courier Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Can Pip Dominate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantum Fire Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 No.. not yet at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantum Fire Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Don't presume that Pax doesn't have mental defenses, or ways to get back to earth one way or another.. his fight against Divis was almost a decade ago, he's likely more powerful by now.. but then, so is Divis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karren Gaunt Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Hee hee. Any chance we could get Zia and her youthful bodyguard into the kitchen in tow behind Maia so we can completely derail the meeting with adorableness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantum Fire Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 I'm presently still working on Eric a bit.. the energy manipulator needs a bit more before I'm pleased with him, and I need a good picture for him... but Zia could walk in on her own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin OOC Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Maia is waiting outside their rooms, to bring them in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karren Gaunt Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Grissly flashback there, LL. I've got the popcorn ready for when we discover what's behind them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courier Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Two questions for ST on Warp. First, what is it's duration? Second, can one gate be moved around (I think it's implied that it can't, at least on a planet... although Warren might be the exception with his Elemental Mastery), and if not, what does "can't be moved" mean in the context of orbit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantum Fire Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Your warp ability is based on elemental mastery, you can move not just your own warps, but should it ever come up, the warps of others as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Lupin Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Yeesh, this will be quite the game once we all get Apotheosis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin OOC Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 it's already quite the fun game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantum Fire Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 I was thinking your next battle was the most likely occerance for the first time one of you achieved Apothesis.. but this is proving more fun... Pip isn't the only one I've rolled for though, someone else is about to go though Apothesis too.. very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courier Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Whoa. I step away for a root canal and Pip goes up to Q8.Well done Pip. And QF too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karren Gaunt Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Regarding Warren's sun refueling comment: do you want to give him sun cancer? Read superman all star to avoid such a fate. ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantum Fire Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 NOTE: The Amp room was destroyed, the Rainbow Room has taken it's place.. it's a place no baseline has ever entered, or even been part of the building.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Lupin Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Ok, fixed. Now let us roll Join Debate... wait, this isn't Exalted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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