opnet [OpNet] Important Events in the Nova Age?

[Liam VanGilder]

For various reasons I'm a little out of touch on the specifics of recent events. What I was wondering was what would people say have been the ten most important events in the world since N-day?

These might be personal experiences or just what you think has really mattered or changed the world. I'd be interested to see what sort of mix of responses people on the Board would give.

[Jager]

Jager's quick list: (in no particular order)

-The foundation of Project Utopia (nuff said)

-The publishing of the Null Manifesto (ditto)

-The Equatorial Wars with the Death of Slag (solidified Elite Culture and reshaped T2M policy)

-The razing of Ibizia (think about it)

whoops, gotta run!

[David 'Dr. Troll' Smith]

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Originally posted by Jager:
Jager's quick list: (in no particular order)
-The foundation of Project Utopia (nuff said)
-The publishing of the Null Manifesto (ditto)
-The Equatorial Wars with the Death of Slag (solidified Elite Culture and reshaped T2M policy)
-The razing of Ibizia (think about it)

Ditto, plus;
-The murder of Slider. (Started that whole, "Is PU corrupt" thing)
-The murder of that idiot Texas mayor by Geryon. (Established Teragen as a terrorist organization).
-Formation of the Directive.
-Re-foundation of DeVries (1st elites).
-2nd Kasmere War with Elites. (The world learned that yes, use of novas in combat can approximate a nuke).
-Creation/Developement of EuFiber.
-Presentation of moon rock to editor of NY Times (restarted space race).

[Hugin]

Quote:

Originally posted by David 'Dr. Troll' Smith:
-The murder of that idiot Texas mayor by Geryon. (Established Teragen as a terrorist organization).

Excuse me? The Teragen is not a terrorist organization. Yes, some individual members have engaged in activities that are distasteful to the public at large, but violence and terror are not our goals.

In the future, please be more accurate in your posts and less prone to propoganda.

[David 'Dr. Troll' Smith]

A point, but a minor one. In the eyes of the general public, that was what happened.

I could have said, "A faction of the Teragen movement" but his actions painted the movement just like the murder of an abortion doctor 10 years eariler painted the anti-abortion movement.

Even more to the point, the rest of the Teragen movement largely still supports him. Just like anti-abortion movement did, at least at first.

Note that I'm not commenting on whether or not he was right or justified (that is a different conversation). I'm commenting on the relationship between the Teragen and the rest of the world.

[Ashnod]

Geryon killed the Mayor of Miami...er...Tampa. Thank you for being my fact checker, Twist.

[ 09-09-2002: Message edited by: Ashnod ]

[Twist]

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Originally posted by Ashnod:
Geryon killed the Mayor of Miami.

I thought it was Tampa?

[Vile Bill]

Eh, you're all forgetin' one of the most important events in all of Novadom!

The creation of the ampwel!!

Yeeha!

No more having to pound six bottle of 'Ol Grandad just to get a buzz going. I mean, I still snort coke cuz, well, it's kinda fun doing that scene from Scarface where he's got that big pile o' coke in front of him, but if I wanna get well and truly ripped, nothing beats an ampwell.

Can't abide by that Soma shit. Something made out of another nova's noggin just kinda creeps me out.

[Sakurako Hino]

Here here. Just say no to Soma.

I'd like to chime in a bit. I think that the founding of the XWF was a milestone in Nova history. It is fascinating how the XWF has taken the old "sports entertainment" franchises and made them "nova entertainment". Yeahhh... Like we get entertained by watching other novas beat the nodes out of eachother. *grins* Well... It is a guilty pleasure... *blushes*

One more thing: can someone bring me some genuine Ampwell? The formula I have is nothing close to the original. (As Jager and Twist know).

[ 09-09-2002: Message edited by: Endeavor ]

[Cin]

Off the top of my head and in no order...

-Vienna Accords

-release of the Null Manifesto

-discovery of the M-R Nods

-Formaption of PU

-Utopia's ass-whupin' in Africa by Elites

-Formation of Directive

-the ass-whupin' delveered to pax by Divis Mal at Barhain(sp?)

-creation of eufiber

-formation of Teragen Pantehnon

-formation of Aberrant League

[Fortune's Son]

The ten most important events in recent history? Hmmm...

• The worldwide emergence of the nova species coincident with the destruction of the Galatea space station.
• Abdication of social responsibility to Utopia on all matters relating to novas and technology.
• Formation of the Teragen and espousal of the Teras philosophy.
• The public appearance of Divis Mal and his announcement/support of the Null Manifesto in direct opposition to the baseline's Zurich Accord.
• The death of Jennifer Landers in that it more than any other event lend to questioning the methods and goals of Utopia.
• T2M getting their asses handed to them by Elites in Africa. No, Virginia, the world isn't a comic book and people die when you try to pretend that it is.
• Novas willing to act in defiance of baseline society and interests in defense of novas. You can use Geryon as an example of this but Sluice is an equal if not more important example.

Personally, although there are a hundred more events I could add here, I don't see that much else was important enough to alter the present. The Deadalus League for instance is a great example of potential and we could talk about it for hours but that potential remains unrealized. Ditto with the last person to publiclly walk on the moon or the rescue of the crippled space shuttle. Aberrants as a group are largely ignored and irrelevant therefore fall under the point about Lander's above. They just take it a step further. Geryon playing twist top with the mayor of Tampa made a point but not the one most people assume and it merely upped the ante of the gambit already played by Sluice awhich highlighted the Utopian fallacy.

[ 09-10-2002: Message edited by: Jack Chance ]

[Preston]

"to people"? Does this mean everyone or just to novas?

Personally, from a more "man on the street" view:

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I. The creation of Project Utopia.

II. The death of Slag and the crippling of Pele in Africa.

III. The Development of Eufiber

IV. The collapse of Russia and the nova-led ressurgance that followed.

V. The Death of Mayor Rupert in Tampa.

VI. The Death of Slider.

VII. The Death of the Houston Tornado.

VIII. Divis Mal defeating Pax and T2M at Bahrain.

IX. The rampage in Ibizia.

X. The publication of the Null Manifesto.

Cin, who or what the hell or those last two you mentioned?

Also, learn to spellcheck. I know I am not that good, either, but for the love of God girl, try harder.

I figure Mr. Chance has already given the novas-only point of view.

[Fortune's Son]

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Originally posted by Preston:
"to people"? Does this mean everyone or just to novas?

I believe it means us in the context presented. As in what would we consider significant. Regarding the "nova only" point of view; ask your buddies at the bar tonight what they think changed the world most since N-day.

Eufiber? Hypercombustion engine? Environment remedial baterias? Solid fuel cells? CFC recombinant technology? The AIDS vacine? Terra-forming?

Nova toys and pastimes.

How's the new wonder cage coming along? Have you figured out the money trail funding it or why Utopia is actively disinterested in the tech developments associated with it?

Please feel free to choose your own hobbies though.

[ 09-11-2002: Message edited by: Jack Chance ]

[Cin]

Well Preton, if you don't know then it's not worth telling you. I don't know when to keep my mouth shut and blurt out things I prolly shouldn't at times. Let me know when you want me to drop in on you and we might talk over tea. Just drop me a line privately.

Spell check. Well, I never did finish high school, so you'll pardon my spelling. I get the point across though. It's actually funny if you're me.

[ 09-11-2002: Message edited by: Cin ]

[Liam VanGilder]

What about Portman? Given his eruption and the whole Presidential mess, did he have much an effect on the modern world? Or is that juct another sideshow, a consequence of one of the bigger events.

Big one here. What proportion of the significant events of the last decade or so are down to baselines then?

[Fortune's Son]

What about Portman?

What about him. I think you're attributing a sense of importance to the wonder and fascination on the part of baselines with the first public eruption thereby making it a significant event. It's impressive as hell to watch the footage I agree but is Portman's eruption important as an individual event or as the harbinger of the coming wave of novas?

We're here.

Portman is a good man; all things considered he's top of the list when you contrast him against the general character of most professional politicians, and fairly competent to boot. However, the very same could be said of Jimmy Carter in the US back in the '70. Or Tony Blair in the UK in the '90 before the Brits stuck their collective heads in their own toilet bowel and started admiring the view.

The major change we saw back in '98 IMHO was the sense of seemingly infinite possibilty that infused the world with our arrival. Suddenly anything seemed possible. The environment, heedlessly ravaged since the beginning of the industrial revolution, was being repaired. No one felt the need to deny the extent of the damage that had been done, everything from contamination of food supplies to global warming, any longer. Actually as I think about it there was a great and sudden heartfelt need for complete disclosure of the damage because to hide it meant that the novas might overlook the need to fix it.

Gods and heroes had stepped out of the mists of legend. The magic had returned to the world and it was us. Don't get me wrong 'cuz the last thing I want to do is engage in another pointless debate on how useful and relevant baselines are. Just pointing out that acting in concert a double handful of novas fixed problems that in 40 years billions of baselines hadn't even agreed were problems. Baselines built the Opnet and now you can download porn with the speed of light thanks to the hair growing on a beachcomber. Of course they needed more than he could supply willingly but luckily another nova named Artifax managed to make an artificial derivitive that worked as well for their purposes. They latched onto the hypercombustion engine developed by anotehr nova thereby saving themselves trillions directly and indirectly.

Speaking of that last, the hypercombustion engine and then the fuel cell leeched much of the economic power away from the OPEC nations as the need of the industrialized first world decreased to a quarter of what it had been. At the same time we saw an abrupt decrease in the terrorism originating in the middle east. Maybe that was just a coincidence. We could go on and talk our other toys and pastimes like the AIDS vacine, terraforming or unassisted space exploration but what would be the point?

Let's see, what have the baselines done? They created Adrenocillin; although if you have a degree in pharmacology you find out that its based on some fairly addictive psychochemicals. They added our value to their consumer driven markets to buy our memorabilia thereby allowing us to co-exist with them in relative comfort. Though their tastes run also to the gruesome as they like to watch us die. They give us purpose as we try to fix the seemingly endless problems they can construct so long as we never feel the need to inform them of their complicity in creating the problems or imply they need to change their ways. They adore us - so long as we don't do anything that they couldn't do on their own through technology. We're just faster and easier to use you see.

Hmm... I seem to be running into a problem here.

[ 09-11-2002: Message edited by: Jack Chance ]

[Hugin]

Jack, interesting, isn't it?

You must be making the little woman so happy right now.

[Liam VanGilder]

Fine points all. Novas have solved much of basleine humanity's problems for them and done a lot of things that affect baseline politics.

What have novas actually done for themselves? What art have they made that isn't inspired by baseline styles, what have they invented that isn't a response to baseline problems?

In short, what have novas as a species really achieved of and for themselves? Anyone?

[Hugin]

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Originally posted by Liam VanGilder:
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What have novas actually done for themselves? What art have they made that isn't inspired by baseline styles, what have they invented that isn't a response to baseline problems?

In short, what have novas as a species really achieved of and for themselves? Anyone?

Well, I have personally created several devices intended for my own usage that, to be honest, radically outpace current technologies for the most part. I have no intention of releasing them for consumption by the baseline populace.

In those times I wish to relax I do like to occasionally engage in creative activities and as a result I have produced a number of artistic pieces that I like to think of as apart from baseline art. Again, I have no desire to put them on display for the general public. I am quite happy only showing them to the occasional guest. A small number of people here have seen them. That is more than enough for me.

[Fortune's Son]

How about a philosophy of development independent of baseline sensibilities? More than a few novas have a major chip on their shoulder where the Terats and Mal are concerned out of concern for the ramifications but nary a quantum soul has said that it struck them at alien, irrelevant or unappliable. Not applicable to those incapable of quantum development and created by those with a node - that sounds like it meets your criteria.

A friend of mine that doesn't post here is an artist using a medium he calls sympathetic resonance. Essentially emotion scultures. Not as simple or simplistic as feeling anger, love or some such; they are designed to convey complex sensations and responses. Baseline nervous systems don't have a sufficiently responsive structure to appreaciate any but the most basic. Got to have the MR coils in your body to 'get it'.

[ 09-11-2002: Message edited by: Jack Chance ]

[Fortune's Son]

Quote:

Originally posted by James 'Prodigy' Meehan:
You must be making the little woman so happy right now.

I hope so anyway.

[Liam VanGilder]

I concede that the Teragen philosophy is a unique development on the part of novas but I fear that other examples of such are few and far between. The sympathetic resonance you describe sounds interesting, Mr Chance, and I have an associate whom I know would be fascinated to hear more about it.

As far as your artwork goes Mr Meehan, I will reserve judgement until I have had the honour of viewing some of it first hand.

I am not trying to belittle the achievement of novakind. However, I have seen too many of us who rant on about superiority to the monkeys but who, frankly, I would have found dull and uncultured even when I was a baseline. If we are to cry out for freedom for our potential then let us make some use if it, rather than just lament our poor treatment at the hands of lessers.

[Fortune's Son]

Quote:

Originally posted by Liam VanGilder:
The sympathetic resonance you describe sounds interesting, Mr Chance, and I have an associate whom I know would be fascinated to hear more about it.

Ask away but again, I am not the artist. Only a friend of his and custodian of one of his pieces.

[Walker]

Quote:

Originally posted by Liam VanGilder:
I concede that the Teragen philosophy is a unique development on the part of novas but I fear that other examples of such are few and far between ...

...I am not trying to belittle the achievement of novakind. However, I have seen too many of us who rant on about superiority to the monkeys but who, frankly, I would have found dull and uncultured even when I was a baseline. If we are to cry out for freedom for our potential then let us make some use if it, rather than just lament our poor treatment at the hands of lessers.

The Teragen does indeed seem to be the prime philosophy advocating development of our potential beyond and above baseline concerns. On this very board we have seen mention of Paths that could be followed by us, extra-ordinary beings, which would obviously not apply to common people. Also we have seen Terats, advocating the very interesting idea that taint and abberation can be used as springboards in our development. They talk coherently and compellingly about our seperation from the common man and woman, Ashnods thoughts on this are particularlly lucid. I would say that perhaps the single event of critical importance in recent history is the Null Manifesto. Whether you agree with it's philosophy or find the Zurich Accords more to your taste, it is this one act that polarised and continues to polarise opinion, of both Baseline and Nova minds.

With regard to our alledged superiority it is not just Nova's who harp on about it. Many Baselines have put us on a pedestal even going so far as considering us gods. A dangerous thing, gods are meant to be remote and stay on top of Mt. Olympus for a reason, it's like contact with an advanced civilisation, it ruins your culture, consider the plight of Native Americans and Australians as examples.

With regard to my own erupted freedoms, I have walked unhindered on the surface of other worlds, unbidden by any other opinion. I have discussed abstract, near numberless systems of mathematics with Orca's and listened to the deep wisdom of the Yew trees without it being suggested by society. If this sounds like boasting it is not, it is simply meant to serve as encouragement for an individual to move forward.

[Guest]

Ain't all this a matter of personal perspective? I mean, what events are important depends on who's talkin' 'bout it right?

[Fortune's Son]

Yeah, but I think that's Liam's point. You'll see something as crucial that I don't feel merits a footnote and visa versa.

I think he's hopeing that somewhere along the lines somebody will come up with something none of us thought about.

[Preston]

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Gods and heroes had stepped out of the mists of legend.

Man, how do respond to that kind of ego trip?

Mr. Chance, you are as weak and flawed as any man, you just have enough quantum flowing through you to hide it better.

What do my 'buddies at the bar' worry about? Economics, their kids futures, crime rates, how the Red Sox will screw it up this year, the usual stuff.
Yet another dumb-ass looking down his egalitarian nose at police officers.
What do they think were the biggest events to effect the world since '98?
I listed them!

Portman? We voted, or did not vote for, the man. Him being a nova rarely came up. I figure it is because we regularly work with firefighters so we know the breed.

The Null Manifesto impact was that it woke up the world to the fact that there isn't much most of us can do if a Nova just says "NO". For some reason, over-inflated egos being my favorite suspect, some people do not get it that both baselines and novas grasped the significance. It wasn't that difficult.

How about no more of these tear-jerkers about how awful baselines are for heaping money and adoration on certain novas? You say society does not give them any choice and I say that they should graduate kindergarden, take responsibility for their choices, and accept the fact they are greed, selfish bastards and bitches. My son acted just like that - when he was three! He grew up, developed a moral code, and went on with his life. Do the same.

I asked an Elite friend of mine about Nova warfare. Do you know what he told me?
Two NOVAS founded Elite proxy warfare. Hell, Anna DeVries is proud of that fact. If this really upsets any of you, take it up with her and stop your whining.
As much as this pains me to say; Grow up and start accepting reality like Mr. Vile Bill does. He understands that he made choices for himself.

[Fortune's Son]

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Originally posted by Preston:
Man, how do respond to that kind of ego trip?

One response might be to acknowledge it as hyperbole and resist the urge to allow insecurities to control the motor functions of the mouth or hands. Of more interest to me is your belief that quantum allows to me to hide my flaws better than a baseline. Care to explain that one in a little more detail?

Or would you prefer I simply say;
Great. Yet another narrow minded fascist "I was only following orders" twit that thinks carrying a piece of tin and weapon without a permit means he's owed something.

See how easy that is? Now we can play the flame game to your heart's content. Alternately you could brush the chip off your shoulder and at least make the attempt to discern meaning from the printed word in context rather than assigning whatever meaning is most convenient to your latest rant. It's called thinking. Your ancesters managed it, on and off anyway, so one assumes you possess at least the potential to accomplish it.

In a similar vein enough with the "tear jerk" comments. You want to vent then log onto 2 Minutes Of Hate and just get it out of your system. I don't know who you're responding to with that trash but it isn't me or relevant to my comments.

And have a sparkling nice day officer.

[Teknokat]

One important event that few people think of (but I thank god for each and every day) would be the Creation of the Opnet, and it's predecessor, the Creation of Eufiber.

It's not just that it's a new internet. It literally converged just about every disparate media into one set of technological systems. The old Internet, Television, Radio, even the humble newspaper have been duplicated (and in most cases replaced) by the Opnet. And let's not forget precisely how we're speaking here.

It's caused a massive social revolution, in that the fixed television schedule was rendered null and void as well as bringing instant gratification that one step closer to actually being instant.

It's a massive thing, more so than the creation of the WWW in the early 90s. And so few people think about it, because it's just so damn mundane.

[Preston]

I have been asked to "put a sock" on my use of profanity. I will try.

Oh? You dont' realize you come off as a condescending wanker, Mr. Chance? Or should I use Mr. Bill's name for you. NoChance. I am beginning to understand how you earned that nickname.

Maybe it was the "buddies at the bar" comment and your opinion that all that baselines are concerned with are material things.

Yeah, I rant.

Why here you ask?

Since you do not seem to be all to familiar with the concept of thinking yourself, let me quote you:

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Don't get me wrong 'cuz the last thing I want to do is engage in another pointless debate on how useful and relevant baselines are.

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and then you tip toe around that very point.

If you do not like baselines or baseline society Mr. Chance, do not live in it.

No, that would rob you of the opportunity to act smug and superior. You are an Elite. I do not recall DeVries kidnapping novas to work for them or drafting anyone, so I will use my little noggin and think a moment.

You choose to be an Elite. You chose to live that lifestyle and take advantage of other peoples difficulties. People, baselines usually, I will hazard a guess, pay you in some sort of currency.

Does anyone force you to do a job you do not want to do?

From the attitude you give off, other people, myself included, think you could figure out some other lifestyle. A nova lifestyle.

But, no. You picked the easiest route. Ashnod has the guts to live apart from the rest of us. That is why I can stomach her crap alot more than yours. She has the courage of her convictions.

You are a microscopic parasite with delusions of Godhood.

You come off as an elitist, egocentric bully, Mr. Chance. For all I can tell, that is exactly what you are. Those are the weaknesses I refered to earlier. For all the power and skill you have with the node, you don't realize you even have these problems.

I do not doubt that you are very good at what you do, Mr. Chance. That isn't my argument. It is that your excellence in a few things does not erase your all-to-human flaws.

The fascist comment would have been better. You dance around too much for my tastes and leave yourself open to misinterpretations. Since you don't really stand for anything but yourself anyway, this shouldn't come as a suprise.

Teknokat. Are you male, female, or do you not care?

The Opnet is just a simplification of tools we already had as a society. Outside of Mr. Chance's porn downloads, it has also facilitated a much more powerful home schooling option, remote surgeries, Global research networks, ect..

I stated it earlier, but is needs repeating. Novas invent, but baselines invent new uses for it. Such is the way of things.

Mr. Meehan. That you invent things for your own use is facinating. It is also irrelevant. Maybe DeVinci invented a flying machine four hundred years (?) before the Wright brothers. He didn't build it and bring it into the world.

Pat yourself on the back or have your multiple personalities get into a group hug. As long as you are not a threat to the rest of us, we should count ourselves lucky.

Mr. VanGilder, I apologize for my anger with Mr. Chance. By the way, on your earlier comment

Amen!

Walker, welcome back. I hope you and your family are okay.

[Hugin]

Preston, there is a very valid reason for my keeping the fruits of my labors to the usage of myself and other Novas.

Baselines didn't invent them, a Nova did. Baselines are completely incapable, at this point in time, of duplicating the devices I have come up with. In time, in their normal course of evolution, I am sure they will come across the scientific advances that I have made in recent years. They will do so after trial and error and the occasional spark of brilliance. They will do so in their own good time.

I have no wish to have to great of an impact on baseline society. I feel that we, as Novas, have already done so.

What do I feel the most harmful events, to baseline society, of the Nova Age are?

The cleaning up of the environment.

The introduction of terraforming techniques.

The replacing of baseline armies with Nova Elites in those nations most prone to resorting to violence.

In every case, we solved the symptoms of a problem without addressing it's root. Baselines are just as unthinking, impatient and clueless now as they ever were, if not more. A maturing race has been dealt a hideous blow. For this reason I see no need to compound the problem.

[Fortune's Son]

Hmm.

Baby's not wet so he must be hungry, eh?

Going for the gun again, Preston? Let's suppose you are not as ignorant as you appear, more discerning than a box of rocks, capable of deductive reasoning and the shallow authoritarian crusader persona is merely a facade. Seeking information, Preston? This approach was probably very entertaining for those who grew up on Columbo or Law And Order but you lack the proper skill. Sorry, no Broadway in your immediate future. I'm sure the Mrs. will struggle through the disappointment somehow. Don't get me wrong; that kissing up you just did to Ashnod and VB wasn't subtle but it deserves an "A" for effort.

Ask if you want to know something. Assuming you can formulate the right questions, any answer I give is more likely to provide the right ammo for mounting a real response rather than the specious arguments and insults thus far. If I ignore you or leave you to continue struggling then at least you'll have tried.

If you're going to attack what I'm saying then you first need to grasp it rather than what you fear I might be thinking. That means read it - just skimming isn't going to cut it. And do the Opnet search using the string "gods", "hero" and "nova". Never mind how well or poorly you defend your beliefs; its the baseline population that is calling you a liar. And no, Preston. You don't understand why VB calls me No-chance. After that little chap-stick maneuver of yours he might be willing to explain it to you though.

Interesting that you don't consider the new gulag a significant event though. Or do you simply find the proposal irrelevant on the world scale?

[ 09-13-2002: Message edited by: Jack Chance ]

[Fortune's Son]

I saw your post on the status of your gulag so don't feel the need to go into detail again here. I am still curious as to why you felt the effort was insignificant to the world.

[Vile Bill]

Quote:

Originally posted by Preston:
Or should I use Mr. Bill's name for you. NoChance. I am beginning to understand how you earned that nickname.

Well Pres, lemme ask you a question. You ever been in the field? You ever been sloggin through the mud, your nerve's on edge cus you heard 'Tank' Choulat was in the neighborhood and was lookin to add your name not only cuz he's been hired but cuz you beat his ass so bad at paigow that people been talking bad about him? You ever get thrown into a situation when the client wasn't real up front and you found out that you ain't equipped to do the job right, hell to get out in one piece? You do a job so damn good that people start callin you Fortune cuz people say you got Lady Luck by the short and curlys? You earn your name? You earn a rep that makes every Elite in the business maybe give you a ribbin every chance cuz they all know you're good enough to take it and cuz they all kinda envy you for your brass and your style? You done the job Jack Chance has?

No?

Then shut the fuck up you cop shit. You don't call Fortune NoChance. I do. The man is worth ten of your ass. I call him NoChance cuz me and him, we've chewed some of the same turf. We've been on opposite sides of the fence, each doin our best to do our best. He got the drop on me, I'll admit it. I got a shot of the Nasty Black off but all it did was fuck up a nice coat he was wearin. He won. I lost. That's part of the business.

I earned the right to talk shit to him. I've taken my shot, he took his. He gives me shit, I call him NoChance.

You ain't Elite. Hell, I don't even wanna call your ass nova. You bitch. You sellout. You punk.

You ever speak like that to one of my brothers again and I will be updating my visa and I will visit your punk ass town. I'll tear that place down to the fucking ground and laugh in your bitch faces when you whip out the cuffs.

Know this, I got a nice job here at DeVryes. See, they got me doing a buncha shit here. I do the poundin and stompin, but I also do a bit of training here and there. Ask some of the newbies. I'm a good choice for it, I can cut loose and not kill them, just teach them. You got Elites in Boston. You need them, you've said so. You wanna piss off the guy training them? You wanna make sure I hate your fucking badge wearing guts so much that I make sure that every swinging dick that leaves my class knows that you are a punkass who talks shit about the Brotherhood?

Now, you don't gotta like NoChance. Hell, I ain't even askin you to respect his ass. He pisses me off half the time, but you don't, you DON'T talk to him like you're a part of the gang. You ain't earned the right.

[Apep]

Damn Bill, and people say I'm mean. You must really care about JC.

[Roslyn 'Pump' Kluesner]

Umm, Bill?

I think you really need to drop by and blow off some steam.

Now I am not an Elite, but I think I can spot a little stress. I can understand the bond that is formed when you work together, have a friendly rivalry going, or depend on somebody for your life. I still get thank you messages from the day I erupted in the gym, but that is beside the point.

Hop a plane and head on into Lindbergh Field or LAX, I will pick you up and you can kick back in So. Cal. For a few days

[Vile Bill]

Sorry Pumphoney, I try to stay out of the States for the most part. I was a two time loser in California and I've served a little bit here and there in Texas, Oklahoma and a small stint in New Mexico. So, for the most part I keep my relaxin' in the places I can still cut loose.

I have me some fun in Thailand, Ibiza, Johannesburg's a fun town too. I've fucked my way through Berlin and Moscow on more'n one occasion.

You wanna join me for a roustin' good time, you gimme a call and I'll show ya the lights.

Apep, honey, now don't go and get jealous. It ain't that I *like* no NoChance, more like I thought Preston was taking liberties he ain't earned.

What, you like it when some prissy punkass newbie nova starts talkin like they Terat numero uno when you know for a fact they ain't stood up and been counted? Naw Honey, me, I'm bettin you put those little pissers in their place right quick. Me, I'm just trying to do the same.

[Preston]

I have moved our off-topic discussion to a different area.

[Preston]

I have moved our off-topic discussion to a different area.

The "gulag" isn't an important event because it hasn't happened yet. Even if it does come off, it would only be a continuation of mankinds attempts to deal with the coming of novas amongs us.

It is an anthill and we are discussing mountains.

Do you consider the creation of Baharain one of the most important events of the past ten years? I don't. It is nothing but a continuation of Project Utopia's agenda.

[Fortune's Son]

Yet you feel the impact of Bahrain's existence coupled with the lattitude given Utopia by both the sovereign nations of the world and the U.N. to have great impact.

You've a curious definition of "important".