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[Sakurako Hino]

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Allright mom....

(I'm a friggin' Nova, and my mom still out juices me... I guess she's just a little more sharp in the MR Node than I am....)

[Fortune's Son]

Apep is someone you should talk with sometime. She's got a mom that I would think is a little formidable as well.

[Sakurako Hino]

I'll tell you one thing though. I wouldn't want to trade my mom for anything. And my sis does get to use some of the outfits I have when she gets older. She's already eyeing some of them. I guess her last few halloween costumes were duds...

Hey, I just take it all in stride and try to have as much fun as possible. I don't know if it was because I've erupted or not, but I feel a little more youthful since I have. Not to mention the Pink hair and magenta eyes are a plus in ANY night club. I just set up my eufiber to glam out the competition. Dosen't matter how quantum enhanced their bust lines are. Although it would help... ;

I just hate the fact I've lost a potentially lucrative deal. Oh well, more will come. I'm still young, juiced, and for the most part the cutest nerd ever to hit the scene.

Though it wouldn't hurt to develop an overhand technique. I do have to THROW my energy attacks. Maybe lifting weights wouldn't hurt either. I still think the only thing I'm good for is pencil pushing.

[Guest]

Sakurako, honey, don't get yourself down so much. You earn your keep with the odd jobs you get in the company. Your protective instincts may work out in our security branch of our corporation. And you did a stellar performance at the commercial shoot today. Don't get yourself down, Sakura-Chan. Stick with it, and don't give up. You don't see me bailing out at the slightest adversity.

Oh, before I go, I'd like to get something out to the people out there. It's good that most of you guys and gals are helping my daughter out. But please, don't let her start on one of her self-righteous crusades? She tends to have a high sense of justice and will sometimes act on it.

I know you guys won't lead her the wrong way though.

[Nimrod]

Jack: Look back at this conversation and ask yourself why I have a hard time taking Mighty Superior Special Cute Magical Lolita Short-skirted Sailor Girl seriously.

But really, best of luck.

Jager: You´re still running around, aren´t ya? I stick my nose in your business when you make this business a subject of speculation here on N!Prime - if you can´t take that kind of heat, don´t start up a discussion. Not too hard, is it?

Now don´t get into your pretty little head that I got some sort of aversion for you; I´m simply bored out of my skull.

Cute Sailor Magical Girl Whatever: You crack me up - in a good way, mind. Girlies like you provide me with the comic relief that I need to go on every day. DOn´t lose that spunk of yours, it´d be one hell of a loss. Stick close to mommy dearest; though into the highly dubious practice of dressing her daughter up as hentai bait, she seems to have a decent head upon her shoulders.

(Flip, flip.) Yeah, to say the least. Take care of yourself, cutie.

[Jager]

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Nimrod, what's there to worry about?

Your one sick piece of work (said in a good way).

Your that lone black dot on a field of white.

Your the future, Nimrod.

Your shit is right wired-down, eh? Or don't we do that anymore? Drugs and psi-wipes? OH, YEAH! You'd have to be one hell of a fun ride when we hit that ole psy-gestalt when we're fighting one of those multi-dimensional battles and everything hinges on the weakest link in the chain (or is that pyramid).

I want you on my team. Especially if the parking attendant scratches my car or the waitress doesn't refill my coffee quick enough. Then I can give the word and you can pop out of the trunk or the broom closet or where ever tiny crack you've squeezed yourself into and bring out Mr. Nasty.

You say you've done it all? Does that include windows?

You don't scare me, Nimrod. Little girls in sailor suits scare me. See, there's this conspiracy going on behind the cafeteria, but all those girls look so cute and no one will believe me. Fortunately, the groundskeepers seem to be on my side and they're taking all these pictures, see? RANT,RAnt, (foam at the mouth) rant....

Sorry about that, but I need to keep Jack stoked.

I am really glad that you, Jack, and Bill (though Bill is possibly a transitional element, as I can actually remember folks like him being considered Elites) have opened my eyes to what today's Elites have become and were they're heading. I guess those other buddies of mine have just been blowing smoke up my ass, huh?

So Anna finally decided to fall off the fence? Should I expect Carrington's desicated body to be found in the desert, or will he simply vanish?

The bad ole days are gone. Bring on the new! Has anyone told Bill that your cancelling his party? After all, whose going to need the kind of fun us old nutters use to have when everythings all bright, shiny, and new? Come on now, who needs a kegger of beer when ole mother node gives you all the juice you need? Your not going to need some hot under-clad young thing (and her three sisters) when the feel of quantum under the fingernails gives you a whole new kind of exhiliration that baselines just can't understand. Don't cry, Bill. Girls like that can alway find work as extras in pornos. The only thing they will be missing out on is you.

[Nimrod]

Y´know, Jager, I´ve always found those sailor girl outfits pretty suspicious. The color pink, see, is really nothing more than a coded set of impulses that allows the fungal space aliens to infect our defenseless, binary minds with quadrodimensional eggs designed to hatch and bear their twisted children into the world at the moment of the eclipse, thus bringing the multiverse down on our collective ass.

God told me so when he appointed me king of fucked-up metaphors.

Fuck off, Blondie. You know, you´re losing your grip real fast as soon as someone steps up and claims knowledge on your supposedly pissed-in little territory. The man of our nightmares, Mr. Seriously Cool in a long coat, complete with a shady and dangerous past, running around the world trying to right its´ wrongs, never once hesitating to try to re-evaluate this sorry-ass existence into something that makes sense.

All of this guilt and this endless fucking quest of yours. Damn.

As I said, I´m not really all that complicated. You, Jager, are the one who tends to get ticked off when anyone claims to understand one iota or dot of your business. Why, we should know better. I should know better.

You know what fucking´s pissing me off? I actualy related to you, somewhat, based on our relatively similar experiences of having the world peeled open before our eyes much like the proverbial onion, forcing us to discover the layers beneath. I felt the pain, at times, when people misinterpreted a lot of what you were saying - either willfully or because they didn´t have the fucking exprience to comprehend the world in the eyes of the Code Name Classified:s, the ones who didn´t make the headlines. In a way, I guess you had my sympathy. In some ways, you still do.

There´s a difference between us. I´m actually trying to argue the point that it is very little that seperates me from the rest of the sheep - one bad day and a little bit of effort. You, on the other hand, seems to be way too much in love with the "mysterious stranger" shit. Much like Avenger, you strive to appoint your little existence with some sort of higher meaning when the whole fucking deal´s outright pointless.

I´m not here to beat my chest and try to boast my credentials; I have no fucking interest in a merchandising deal, and I couldn´t be bothered whether Bill, Jack, Lovely Nova Hentaigirl, Avenger, Mysterious Silver Lad or any other Nova or Baseline thinks that I´m a real badass. "Believe it or not, [Jager], being chased down the streets by horny schoolgirls were never my primary intention."

[Violette 'V' D'Aronique]

Prodigy: Make no mistake, we are superior to baselines.

Wizard/Elizabeth: A child that knows it will one day fly has little need to focus its attention on the ground, and will not be able to identify with earthbound creatures.

Ashnod: It's impossible for baselines to comprehend our existence, for perception defines existence, and our perceptions allow us information that baseline senses cannot conceive of.

Not exactly quoted, but you've all said as much in words that are similar. I have one thing to say to you all:

Endeavor: I am the Bishoujo Senshi Nova Endeavor!

Oh yeah...that's evolution talking about us! Our species is just so much evolved than baselines, aren't we? Whatever.

'Nuff Said, in my opinion.

[ 06-13-2002: Message edited by: Violette 'V' D'Aronique ]

[Argent_]

If this does not kill the rethorics stone dead...

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[Guest]

Ought to speak for itself, doesn´t it?

[Sakurako Hino]

; Well, I had a tirade ready to go... But I decided to let a cooler head prevail.

1: Here's the skinny. I like my outfit, but I'm not attached to it.

2: Nimrod, is it just me or are you ALWAYS on attack mode?

3: Jack has nothing but the best intentions when dealing with me here.

4: On some other post, someone jabbed me for having my "personal diary" up on the boards, I just occasionally put down whatever is on my mind. Sometimes it includes what's going on with me. Quite frankly I prefer a quiet life, but now since I got some juice things have changed.

5: I know this is probably the wrong forum to get things out into the open, since most of you guys are rougher around the edges than I, so I'll move unto different posts from now on.

6: I can see the Lovely Nova Senshi thing is a fiasco... *sigh* back to the drawing board... Perhaps I should take the dark and brooding path. It seems to be OH SO POPULAR.

7: ...really can't think of anything else...

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[Jager]

Nimrod, the thing is that Jack had a point. The soldiers, mercenaries, and special ops guys we came in with are no longer the heart and soul of DVNTS. It belongs to the newer crop of novas who are re-creating the meaning of Elites. Sure, you and I have learned to evolve and roll with it, but do you really think they are like us anymore?

I know this will confirm my 'old cogger' status, but I use to run with baselines in my teams...and they were effective. Three quarters of the novas we were running up against didn't know their ass from a hole in the ground. No training and no idea how to effectively use their powers. Even the guys we worked with were pretty green, but at least some of them were professionals.

Even those who survived the battles weren't mentally prepared for having "the world peeled open before their eyes". I still remember that English girl crying about how horrible and hopeless the Equitoreal Wars had been. Here I was thinking, 'What did you expect? There is a reason we call it WAR and everyone should be damn sure its fucking avoided.' Instead, it was "nice job", "here's your paycheck", and "now for your next assignment."

Novas were the hot new thing. The latest weapon and everyone wanted to see how we would do. They forgot that these weapons were people. Now, these people have forgotten about them.

We are not 'them', either, Nimrod. That's one of the reasons I do what I do. Somewhere, in there, I learned to have hope. It may mean I'm crazy, but I can live with that.

Think; Adapt; Evolve...add to that Hope, and you can really get things done. That's my plan, anyway.

I will give you a clue that was given to me. I may do you no good what so ever, but its worth a try.

-You do matter. You are that one person who can make a difference.-

End of Sermon.

[Sakurako Hino]

I am sorry for my outburst last post. I'm still trying to find... something... that I can latch on to. I've officially dropped the "Lovely Nova Senshi" deal... I'm just Endeavor. Your friendly neighborhood computer geek Nova. ; Maybe I can take some lessons from Wendy the Warrior Secretary or whats her name...

God I feel like a troll...

[Violette 'V' D'Aronique]

Quote:

Originally posted by Endeavor:
I am sorry for my outburst last post. I'm still trying to find... something... that I can latch on to. I've officially dropped the "Lovely Nova Senshi" deal... I'm just Endeavor. Your friendly neighborhood computer geek Nova. ; Maybe I can take some lessons from Wendy the Warrior Secretary or whats her name...
God I feel like a troll...

Oh no! Endeavor, I didn't mean it like that. I was just trying to get at the Terats here. I didn't mean to make you throw out your idea. God knows I probably look like some X-chick in my T2M outfit.

I was only trying to say that Novas and baselines aren't that different. Please don't give up on something you loved just because I was trying to rile up some of the posters here.

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[Sakurako Hino]

Hey, I'll still be wearing my usual... (OOC: See link in sig. All the data's there and a sketch.)

I'll just be toning down the cute-factor a couple notches. Can't help if my node made me cuter than normal.

[Sakurako Hino]

PS: I probably look like some sort of sport diver or snorkeler in my outfit.

,,

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I probably look like some X-chick in my T2M outfit.

[Hugin]

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Oh no! Endeavor, I didn't mean it like that. I was just trying to get at the Terats here.
I was only trying to say that Novas and baselines aren't that different. Please don't give up on something you loved just because I was trying to rile up some of the posters here.

[ 06-14-2002: Message edited by: Violette 'V' D'Aronique ]

The 'Terats' here? Yes, I do so suppose that Ashnod, Apep and myself have acted so heinously as of late that we deserve nothing but your derision. Ashnod in particular, foul mouthed vulgarian that she is. If only she were capable of calmly and rationally discussin Teras. Of course, we should all look up to the beacon of purity and light that is Utopia and their resident representitive, 'V'.

Please, I have tried to extend you the courtesy of respect, in return you mock my beliefs with paper thin attempts at wit.

What is it that you despise so about us 'V'? We are Terat, yet we are not the monsters that Utopia makes us out to be. We are simply following a path, a more challenging path at that, other than the one you have set before you. Why attempt to poison young Endeavor's mind with your propoganda? Let her choose her own path.

[Violette 'V' D'Aronique]

Quote:

Originally posted by James 'Prodigy' Meehan:

The 'Terats' here? Yes, I do so suppose that Ashnod, Apep and myself have acted so heinously as of late that we deserve nothing but your derision. Ashnod in particular, foul mouthed vulgarian that she is. If only she were capable of calmly and rationally discussin Teras. Of course, we should all look up to the beacon of purity and light that is Utopia and their resident representitive, 'V'.

Please, I have tried to extend you the courtesy of respect, in return you mock my beliefs with paper thin attempts at wit.

What is it that you despise so about us 'V'? We are Terat, yet we are not the monsters that Utopia makes us out to be. We are simply following a path, a more challenging path at that, other than the one you have set before you. Why attempt to poison young Endeavor's mind with your propoganda? Let her choose her own path.

Um...maybe that my entire post was meant to be taken only as humor, and not as a serious attempt to belittle anyone's philosophy?

Give me some credit, please, Prodigy. I'm not stupid enough to think I can counter an entire philosophy with one off-handed remark.

Jeez, it doesn't take much to get you riled up, does it? I was surprised any of you actually responded to it.

"Oh, but since you brought it up, are Avenger, Lash, Penetrator, Apep, Geryon, Leviathan and Epoch "following a more challenging path," or did we miss something in the in "we are monsters" part of their propoganda? Even your beloved Ashnod has declared she'll wipe out baseline society if she has to.

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[Hugin]

Hmmm, humor, from....you. Interesting.

When I used 'we' I was refering mainly to those Terats of the board, myself, Ashnod and Apep. I am not a violent being. Ashnod has proclaimed that in defense of herself or her race she might feel forced to use violence, again, she is not a particularly violent individual. Apep....Apep I admit to only having interacted with occasionally. We have few acquaintences in common, so I can honestly say I do not 'know' her very well. Her reputation might be exagerated for all I know.

I apologize for taking your remarks to heart though. You're right, I should have given them far less weight.

[Jager]

V, lumping all terats together is like saying that since a Kashmiri militant attacks a Peacekeeping force, the UN should arrest all Kashmiri.

While both James and Ashnod can be very, very dangerous if provoked, they aren't the problem. I am far more worried about Pax loosing his temper than either one of them. By and large, they just want to be left alone. They don't associate with baselines, in general and they certainly don't entertain thoughts of killing or enslaving earth's population.

Yes, there are dangerous Terats out there, but that could be said for most novas. Some terat factions do aggressively promote the enslavement and/or the annihalation of humanity. As much as you and I oppose novas like that, so do Ashnod and James try to deal with them in their own way, for their own reasons.

It's Utopias failure to acknowledge the the factionalism among the Teragen which aggravates the problem. Everytime undecided novas hear "Terat! Utopia Smash!", it drives more of them into the Teragen camp.

When you stop helping and start forcing, it pisses independent people off.

If you come after one Terat in a group of novas, they will attempt to defend their friend, won't they? Does that make them Terats? Utopia certainly acts that way some times. I am curious as to why. After all, telling me to "stand by and not interfere" is like telling me to "wait my turn, we will be coming for me next."

V, I believe you are one of the 'good guys', so I suggest you remind your superiors of this. Otherwise, you will be coming after me one day, as well.

[Apep]

Uh, James dear, I am a pretty violent person a lot of the time. You might not want to use me as an example here. I am positive that I have often done things that Miss D'Aronique would indeed find to be heinous.

I am not an example of the Teragen that many, if any, Upies could understand. Heck, most of the Teragen doesn't even understand the Monster path. Thanks anyhow for your support.

[Violette 'V' D'Aronique]

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Originally posted by James 'Prodigy' Meehan:
Hmmm, humor, from....you. Interesting.

When I used 'we' I was refering mainly to those Terats of the board, myself, Ashnod and Apep. I am not a violent being. Ashnod has proclaimed that in defense of herself or her race she might feel forced to use violence, again, she is not a particularly violent individual. Apep....Apep I admit to only having interacted with occasionally. We have few acquaintences in common, so I can honestly say I do not 'know' her very well. Her reputation might be exagerated for all I know.

I apologize for taking your remarks to heart though. You're right, I should have given them far less weight.

Prodigy, Ashnod has declared something along the lines of, "So help me Jager, if just ONE of your baseline team members goes rogue and begins successfully killing Novas, I will hunt down and kill every single member of their baseline family."

(apologies again if I have misquoted too badly)

I dunno, maybe she was reacting in anger all those months ago. I don't know if she's actually carried out that threat or not, or if she's had reason to: I stopped reading the boards for a while back then. My image of who this person is pretty colored by that statement, though. That's not justice, it's flat out threats and vengeance.

I'm certain from your point-of-view she's just an intelligent and well-spoken philosopher. So were a lot of very cruel, violent, and dangerous people throughout history, and few people saw it coming until it was too late.

I'm sorry if I judged you alongside them. I don't know you, and you really haven't threatened anyone publicly as far as I remember.

However, you keep saying that your movement is all about self-evolution and walking a challenging path, but for every Orzaiz you have out there you have two Geryon wannabes. It seems very much to me, especially in light of all the public propoganda that your people put out, that the "violence and revolution" factions outweigh the "philosophy and evolution" factions quite a bit. And if I seem to judge your movement unfairly, I think it's because those voices are the loudest and the most numerous.

[Sakurako Hino]

Geez. No wonder Novas can't make up their mind. I bet if Novas did get under one philosophy, they'd be able to cause a change so massive, they'd have to start a new calendar starting on the day it happened. Now, I don't know very much about the Teragen, but from what I can tell, they're on the verge of schizophrenia as a movement. They can't make up their minds on their unifying goals and how to proceed in attaining those goals. I've actually read the Null Manifesto. It states that Novas aren't under baseline law. Well, wheres the NOVA LAW? Huh? If the Terats are the way to go, I'll just be taking the next flight off planet the Daedalus League provides. Because the planet would be DOOMED.

As for Project Utopia, how can we trust an organization who hires the most Novas, but deep within, it's controlled by BASELINES. Huh? There's something wrong with this picture. I really feel like running to DeVries. Even if I'd only be useful as a courier or secretary.

Not to knock T2M, they actually have done some good for this doomed mudball, but who's zoomin' who here? There's still a powerful elite few running a lower class of many, even in Nova society. I'd get my butt handed to me even by Corbin for crissakes.

If we're the future of humanity, then I want out.

[Vile Bill]

Great, a thread devoted to mah brothers and it turns into a pissing contest between the 'topes and the terats.

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[Hugin]

Quote:

Originally posted by Violette 'V' D'Aronique:
Prodigy, Ashnod has declared something along the lines of, "So help me Jager, if just ONE of your baseline team members goes rogue and begins successfully killing Novas, I will hunt down and kill every single member of their baseline family."

(apologies again if I have misquoted too badly)

I dunno, maybe she was reacting in anger all those months ago. I don't know if she's actually carried out that threat or not, or if she's had reason to: I stopped reading the boards for a while back then. My image of who this person is pretty colored by that statement, though. That's not justice, it's flat out threats and vengeance.

I'm certain from your point-of-view she's just an intelligent and well-spoken philosopher. So were a lot of very cruel, violent, and dangerous people throughout history, and few people saw it coming until it was too late.

I'm sorry if I judged you alongside them. I don't know you, and you really haven't threatened anyone publicly as far as I remember.

However, you keep saying that your movement is all about self-evolution and walking a challenging path, but for every Orzaiz you have out there you have two Geryon wannabes. It seems very much to me, especially in light of all the public propoganda that your people put out, that the "violence and revolution" factions outweigh the "philosophy and evolution" factions quite a bit. And if I seem to judge your movement unfairly, I think it's because those voices are the loudest and the most numerous.

I apologize Ms. D'Aronique, really I do. You see, I suffer a bit from a persecution complex. I tend to react poorly to certain stimulus.

Yes, Ashnod did make a mild threat of violence. She did so at the end of a very passionate and heated discussion with Jager over his creation of Black Op Wetwork Squads he had specifically trained to combat Novas.

For some reason Ashnod felt that it was important to inform Jager that he was not operating in a vacuum, that he in fact would have to deal with the repurcussions of his actions.

Yes, the Teragen has in it's community certain Novas whose actions are distasteful to even those within the group, let alone our detractors. Teras is a young philisophy, still going through it's growing pains. There are self described paths to our evolution. Some of them are more difficult for someone of baseline attuned senses to understand. That can make us as a group a little difficult to comprehend.

Yes, I find Geryon, Leviathan, and others to be overly violent and misguided. However, at no point do I deny that they are Terat. I accept them, I disagree with them but I do not try to distance myself from them when their actions do not fall lockstep with my own. I communicate with them, I speak with them and at rare meetings I debate them. But in public, I do not deny them. Their path is different from my own, but our destination is the same. I cannot reject my own.

Unlike you.

Unlike your despicable superiors.

Evidence of Utopian agents engaging in sterilization practices reminiscent of Nazi Germany.

"Oh, they're rogue agents. Not our fault."

Evidence of Utopian agents commiting murder on deranged and tainted Novas.

"Oh, that was done without approval. Not Utopian policy."

Suspicion of highly placed Utopian agents being silenced because they've begun to question policy.

"Oh, there is no need to investigate. We've checked ourselves out. We're clean."

Utopian technolgical practices accused of being highly suspect. Rivals technology is banned, but he Hyperdrive Motor, AN INVENTION OF ENORMOUS SOCIETAL IMPACT, is passed through. What happens? It assists in dealing a near death blow to Middle Eastern economies. Middle Eastern economies of countries opposed to Utopia.

"Oh no, there was no hidden agenda. Our only concern is that Nova technology not warp baseline society."

You are despicable. You act without morality, without mercy but when caught you refuse to accept responsibility. Yes, Geryon is my brother and I accept him. I stand up in front of the world by his side and accept the derision that his actions bring. Do I agree with him? No, but I will stand by him. The blood on his hands is on my hands. Every life ended by Apep in the name of Teras lies at me feet also. I accept that. She acts, I try to explain. To be honest, her actions seem to be harder to ignore than my theories. There are days I wonder at my chosen path.

Perhaps I should simply take a page from your book and deny knowledge. Rewrite history at every given opportunity. Take advantage of those who are willing to act on what I believe but refuse to be blamed for it.

Yes that is it. Apep, kill and kill and kill you sweet child! Slay with impunity and paint us a portrait of violence that is undeniable in it's monstrosity. Show the baselines what a true monster the Nova is, show them all in colors of gore that they cannot turn away from. But, when they attack you, I shall have to stand aside, for, of course I can accept the positive results of your actions, but I cannot be held responsible for them.


Project Utopia, the entire massive baseline controlled joke that it is, you disgust me.

[Guest]

Endeavor, child (and please don't take that as an insult), history should show you that in over 5,000 years of civilization that humanity couldn't agree on a single philosophy; even when local cultures agreed on a single ideal they fought like dogs over the details. Since novas are an outgrowth (evolution or mutation, take your pick) of humanity, there is no reason to think that novas will differ, especially seeing how independent and contrary most novas are. Watch two hyperintelligent novas debate beliefs instead of facts and you will see what I mean.

Miss, if you do not believe in any of the philosophies espoused on this board or amoung novas or baselines, you are in no way obligated to pick any one and subscribe to it. Make your own way. Being Japanese, I would think that in a culture so rich in tradition and history, you would have found a place already. If this is not so, if you have not found a place anywhere or a philosophy that you believe, then make one for yourself.

You sound like you are searching for something to believe in and are not finding it. Being a teenager, and a nova to boot, this will be a difficult identity crisis. My advice is to accept nothing, for now. See what is offered, think on the consequences of each belief and how that philosophy will alter your life and "evolution."

I'd say more, but at this point I would be guilty of pushing my own philosophy. I am a pragmatist by nature and I do what is necessary and desirable to me, which in some ways, are things I think are "right," but also things that are distasteful but are required for survival. I don't do anything specifically because a particular belief says I should.

Consider this: I do not eat. I do not sleep. I do not need shelter from the elements, and I breathe merely because it is a reflex. I have the power to leave the earth at any time, yet no matter how I love the solitude of the Martian plains or the violence of the storms on Venus, I live on Earth, among baseline and nova alike, because I cannot go extrasolar and Earth is the most interesting and fun place to be in the solar system. In many ways I embody the Teragen philosophy, yet in my early days I worked for Utopia and still maintain close ties with people in the New York office. So what philosophy do I follow? The anarchism of the Teragen or the happyfeelgood equality of Utopia?

None. I have made my own path, and I am happy with it. I suggest you do the same. Just because these are the primary philosophies that make news does not make them the only philosophies out there. Look at your own county. Are there not asuras, devas, and oni about? What of their philosophies? Don't let Utopia and Teragen publicity blind you to others.

I say don't be in a rush to grow up and leave your innocence behind. Don't pick a philosophy or a path in life until you want to. Make your choice with your eyes open and your mind clear.

And by all means, wear a sailor suit and call yourself "Lovely Nova Senshi." I think many people on this board have traded in their innocence for cynicism so long ago that we can't recognize someone else taking joy in just living. I haven't seen real innocence in so long . . . it's refreshing to know that children like you still exist, Endeavor.

Yes, I'm laughing, but not at you.

Bill:

Funny, isn't it. Teragen vs. Utopian in an Elite thread. This is the one conflict DeVries stays OUT of. I can't tell you how funny I find this irony. Almost as funny as the fact that it's the Zurich Accord that makes the Null Manifesto so powerful.

[Sakurako Hino]

Yet again, a mistake I made rears it's ugly head.

Let me put this mildly. Nova society is a lawless group of kindegarteners fighting over sandbox space, and damn the ants that get crushed. I have a baseline father and sister who I care deeply for and wish to defend to my last breath. Especailly to closed minded individuals who believing that snuffing life out of a human being is justice. Remember, we too were baselines once. Or as you terats call them, monkeys. Now, let me see, whasn't it the white south in the United States that called "Negros" that same epithet? That makes me SICK. Yeah, I still have some "innocence" left. So what?

What I do and what I say flies in the face of convention? So What?!?! Am I a innovator? Probably, Am I Unique? Hell yes! Maybe I like doing what I do because it in some way smacks upside the head of the angst boys out there. One person here actually dosen't mind the fresh air around here. Don't you guys think for a second I'll EVER join the Teragen. It completely goes against what my node tells me is my "path" in life.

Drop the "Lovely Nova Senshi" stuff... I am Endeavor now and forever. And let hell wash over me if I'm wrong. If my philosophies of a true unity among novas in the quest to make earth a home for both Novas and Humans, then I'm the first to offer myself on the side of those who belive in the same thing. But we gotta do it ourselves. To hell with the terats. And that's all I gotta say about that.

V, you're right on alot of things, but I need more, WAY MORE before I even CONSIDER T2M an ally at best. I have heard too many things to the contrary that you people could be trusted. The Teragen, as I've said before can go to hell. Nippontai, in my personal opinion, is a JOKE. If they were so BADASS, why didn't they take the fight against Geryon out of town? Instead Geryon smashes up a few buildings and forces our beloved heroes to save the victims. STU-PID! As for the Protectors in Antarctica? That's just running away from their problems. Soon those problems will bite them in their arses. I have my own beat I follow. And I'll say this; those that say I'm wrong, PROVE ME WRONG.

[ 06-15-2002: Message edited by: Endeavor ]

[Violette 'V' D'Aronique]

Quote:

Originally posted by James 'Prodigy' Meehan:
Yes, I find Geryon, Leviathan, and others to be overly violent and misguided. However, at no point do I deny that they are Terat. I accept them, I disagree with them but I do not try to distance myself from them when their actions do not fall lockstep with my own. I communicate with them, I speak with them and at rare meetings I debate them. But in public, I do not deny them. Their path is different from my own, but our destination is the same. I cannot reject my own.

But Prodigy, a few months ago you posted:

Quote:

Originally posted by James 'Prodigy' Meehan:
However, Ashnod, I cannot agree that the loss of Costas was anything other than beneficial. He was an animal. He deserved to be put down. Lash is an animal too. Their membership in the Teragen notwithstanding we should not and cannot tolerate them any further. Baselines do not accept the degraded and foul of their kind, those that slaughter animals for fun or for some sick outlet. We should no more protect those of us who follow a similarly foul path.

Eruption is not the last step. We are on a glorious path, but one that requires dedication. Those among us who point to their sheer luck at erupting and proclaim it the sole prerequisite for godhood are sorely mistaken. We are not responsible to any earthbound set of laws, but we are still responsible. We are responsible to ourselves to improve ourselves, to move forward, not to wallow in filth and depravity. I do not weep that Avenger slew Costas. It matters not that the victitims were baselines. Costas was corrupt. Lash is corrupt and if given the opportunity I would end him without regret.

We are the Teragen. We are Terat. We are more than a collection of gibbering fiends, gluttons and hedonists. We are so much more than that, and those of us who do not realize this frighten me.

Um...yeah. You really stood behind Costas and Lash there.

Self righteous bastard. Before you accuse me of following the corrupted examples you seem to believe exist in the superiors of my organization, best make certain you're not guilty of them yourself.

[ 06-15-2002: Message edited by: Violette 'V' D'Aronique ]

[Teknokat]

V, Prodigy:

SHUT THE HELL UP!

If you're going to squabble (this has obviously gotten personal for at least one of you), move it to another thread, or even Two Minutes Hate. I believe this thread had a slightly different focus?

Not saying no to a good flame war (Hey, it's a great spectator sport, and I couldn't stop you even if I wanted to), but move it to a new arena people.

That is all.

[Violette 'V' D'Aronique]

Quote:

Originally posted by Teknokat:
V, Prodigy:

SHUT THE HELL UP!

If you're going to squabble (this has obviously gotten personal for at least one of you), move it to another thread, or even Two Minutes Hate. I believe this thread had a slightly different focus?

Not saying no to a good flame war (Hey, it's a great spectator sport, and I couldn't stop you even if I wanted to), but move it to a new arena people.

That is all.

Bite me! You didn't complain when Endeavor and her mother hijacked it to discuss the merits of Endeavor's costume.

That is all.

[Teknokat]

V, has anyone told you you have serious anger problems?

And anyway, there are two reasons I didn't stop the costume tangent:

1) Neither person was attacking the other personally (As far as I could tell)

2) Uniforms are actually related to Elites - It was (barely) on-topic.

But hey! Feel free to ignore me if you really want to. I ain't god here. In my office, maybe, but not here.

[Violette 'V' D'Aronique]

Quote:

Originally posted by Teknokat:
V, has anyone told you you have serious anger problems?

I wasn't the one who told someone to "shut the hell up," Tek. And I think I responded to Prodigy with the same candor he replied to me with.

[ 06-15-2002: Message edited by: Violette 'V' D'Aronique ]

[Sakurako Hino]

Hey, I'm willing to drop this if you guys are. I'm more than happy to let the elites have this thread. Hell, they can delete my posts for all I care.

V: I shouldn't have taken that conversation here. I'm honestly sorry. It was petty and STUPID.

what does it take for me to say I get the message... god damn....