BurnerMan Posted May 14, 2002 Share Posted May 14, 2002 ..yeah, and PC´s plotting the destruction of Project Utopia and the massacre of millions of their presumed enemies... :sneaky2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 Good guys are overrated. Now using your powers to smite your enemies. . .ah. Bliss. :devil -Defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnerMan Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 Smiting can be done by good-guys as well...I mean, it´s not always easy to avoid accidents, is it? :devil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 Touche. -Defender. :sly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Posted May 15, 2002 Share Posted May 15, 2002 A good guy does everything in his power to have some fun.If he is bored then he do something. Killing and making some general havoc could be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender Posted May 18, 2002 Share Posted May 18, 2002 Yeah, I guess everyone loves to think that if they got superhuman powers that they'd act only for the best. . .but c'mon. People are people, and we're as much sinners as saints, as much jerks as we are decent folk. Like Stanley Ipkiss says in The Mask: "We these powers I could help the common man! Fight crime! Work for world peace!! But first. . .I got me a few scores to settle. . ." :wink -Defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 My point exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harlequin Posted May 21, 2002 Share Posted May 21, 2002 you mean not everyone uses their powers for evil right off the bat? ::eh ... i mean, uh, hey guys wanna go help the less fortunate? ...erm... *shuffle* ...heh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Posted May 22, 2002 Share Posted May 22, 2002 Well. Most people belives that what they are doing is right to do. Why would they do otherways? ::downmal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender Posted May 29, 2002 Share Posted May 29, 2002 Yeah. . .we all have our own inner notions about what we consider right and wrong, so it's all too easy to fall into the trap of imposing your ideal Perfect World down the throats of everyone else, and if you happened to have an MR-Node it'd be about 100x worse. Consider what Aberrant is about. Sacrifice. Sacrificing a normal life for the spotlight, power, and burden of nova life. Getting this vast power which should grant you freedom. . .and then having the world shove itself in your face, demand and demand and demand from you, and ultimately turn on you in the horrors of the Aberrant War. There's a great line in Spider-man Willem Dafoe gives as the Green Goblin: ,, " I chose my path, you chose the way of the hero. And they've found you amusing, the people of this city. But the one thing they love more than a hero. . .is to see a hero fail. Fall. Die trying. In spite of everything you've done, eventually they will hate you. Why bother. " To the world of Aberrant, novas are a commodity. A resource to be exploited like any other. They don't really see novas as anything other than the four-colored heroes or tabloid celebrities they appear to be. The fact that these powerful beings could have their own wants, needs, and desires never enters the public's collective mind. . .and that arrogance and dependency costs them, big time. Some are true heroes, dedicated to doing what's right regardless of the personal cost. But most are just people, people like you and me emotionally and mentally. . .but also people who can disintegrate a tank with a glance or lift an aircraft carrier. Think about you on your _worst_ day. . .now think about what you'd do to the people who pissed you off if you could hurl Quantum bolts or were master of the martial arts. . .noble aspirations aside, even the most compassionate of souls can sink to the lowest depths of depravity. Aberrant is about finding the strength for sacrifice. . .or becoming the embodiment of Lord Acton's idea of absolute power corrupting absolutely. Ultimately, it's your choice. You're the protagonist. . .or the hero. Make the call. -Defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Posted May 29, 2002 Share Posted May 29, 2002 Well said, Defender. ::withbeer If I was Nova and had physical powers, I'm pretty sure I'd be somewhat stable and amiable. I have an aversion to violence, expecially physical, and can contain myself from tossing a punch.Give me mental powers like Telepathy, and you can just about forget it. I doubt I could contain the temptation to make a little alteration in someone's mind so they'd stop being pig-headed and disagreeable with me.Scary, but I know myself well enough to admit it and be upfront about it. Me with mental powers would be a bad thing. Just give me flight, and I'll be fine. -Joseph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harlequin Posted May 29, 2002 Share Posted May 29, 2002 i'm not a physical person when it comes to fights, but if i had super strength or the like i could see myself not backing down more and more... i don't think i would ever throw the first punch, but when bullets bounce off what does it matter?have to agree with joe and his take on mental powers, that for me would lead to the most abuses... admittedly i'd be out to put an end to hate, but where would it stop? and even though it's a noble goal, tampering with someone else's mind isn't right...the social powers would be almost as bad, to just be able to say a simple sentence and rally masses to my cause would be nearly as bad as the mental powers... i'd be a politician in no time flat, not the common lying type, but the type that puts themselves in the hospital from working too hard to make tomorrow better for everyone...now that i think about it, i'm amazed the aberrant wars didn't happen sooner and weren't more bloody... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Posted May 30, 2002 Share Posted May 30, 2002 the social powers would be almost as badThey'd really help when STing, though. ::devil -Joseph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender Posted May 30, 2002 Share Posted May 30, 2002 Well. . .all high notions of morality aside, being able to do the Jedi Mind Trick would be lots of fun. Especially with cops pulling me over for speeding. " I was going the limit. " " You were going the limit" " I drive superbly" " You drive superbly. " " Have a nice day. " " Have a nice day. " Mweh-heh-heh. . . ::devil -Defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harlequin Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 ::bigsmile that would be great!!! or talking to land lords... "i did pay the rent.""you did pay the rent, in fact i paid for the next two months.""you paid for the next two months.""you must have blown it all at the casinos.""i must have blown it at the casinos.""tear up your bank statement when you get home.""i should tear up my bank statement when i get home." ::sly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 That is just nasty!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minerva Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 ::giggles:: Ah yes... what if someone erupted wanting to be a Jedi... now that would be amusing...---Min Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harlequin Posted May 31, 2002 Share Posted May 31, 2002 hmmm...gravatiy manipulation, domination, precognition, and of course for those jedi masters, quantum bolt... am i missing any powers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 claws with kinetic discharge. Definitly mega dex and perhaps even mega str and sta. ::smokin ::minrules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harlequin Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 kinetic claws? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 Yes for the lightsaber. ::smokin ::downmal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harlequin Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 ok, i would think that would more fall under quantum bolt, basically a very focused and sustainable one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezekiel Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 hmmm, my character IS a fencer... ::minrules ::withbeer ::smokin ::withbeer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quasar Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 all of them. from thier point of view of course.The Terats: They (ok ..most) believe that they must break free of the rule of the monkies. They do what *they* seem is nessesary to do this.Directive: They keep close watch on the novas so that one day when (not if) the novas become threats they can easily extinguish them.Aeon Society:They are the good guys because they assist all of humanity through thier philanthropical (sp) endeavours Project Utopia assisting humanity and novas. (assisting novas to train thier abilities to better protect themselves and to no completely lose it when pi$$ed off) P.U. is also engeneered Project genesis (the farming thing) To produce a more livable place for people to exist.T2M:Team Tomorrow are most definatly the good guys because it is they who confront terrorists. They also offer hope to everybody (ok most people). They are the ones on the front line of humanities defence. (yada yada yada)See now how they all can be the good guys? Who are the good guys is a black and white question. The answer is in full living colour baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harlequin Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 yeah, that's what got me hooked on it, everybody was good in their own eyes and evil in others, in that way, it is very close to real life... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender Posted June 7, 2002 Share Posted June 7, 2002 Well of course _I_ know who the real good guys are in Aberrant. . .but I ain't tellin'. A hint? Big surprise. ::devil -Defender. One crafty mofo. ::sly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harlequin Posted June 7, 2002 Share Posted June 7, 2002 turn this thread around a bit... in your opinion, who was the most moral/good nova?this should be interesting... ::devil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender Posted June 8, 2002 Share Posted June 8, 2002 The most moral nova NPC? Hmm. . .good question Harle. Offhand I'd say Antaeus, he has the goals I'd most agree with in that he's using his power to actually better the world (although he does get more and more distant from humanity as time goes by).,, After him I'd have to say probably Randal Portman. He just seems the everyman hero type, and I've got a lot of affection for a man who goes out and tries to do good not just because he's got flashy powers but because that's the kind of guy he is. He _was_ a fireman after all, and it takes a certain nobility of character to be willing to place your life in danger to save the lives of others. Simply put, he was a hero before he was a nova. Just my opinion anyway. Anyone else? -Defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Arbitrary Posted October 24, 2002 Share Posted October 24, 2002 This is my first post so forgive me if I make some sort of error in formatting or whatever.The most moral NPC in my opinion is GeryonThe important thing to remember is that ethics are derived from philosophy and Geryon's interpretation of the Null manifesto is quite in line with the philosophy "objectivism" which was created by Ayn Rand, most famous for her book, "Atlas Shrugged." (those of you who have the abberant player's guide may remember the reference to this book in the introduction."Objectivism categorizes the world into three areas. Non-living, Living-irrational, Living-rational. According to the philosophy, the only ethical way for a rational entity to deal with disputes between rational beings is through non physical means. (pacifism, kind of)When a person rejects this, the person in a way, renounces their rationality and can no longer be treated as such.All of Geryon's actions were against people who had renounced their rationality by eitherA: Using governmental authority to opress. (mayor of Tampa, The south africa dude etc.)B: Using physical means to opress.(the michael, archangel people)I encourage everyone interested in the Teragen to read Atlas Shrugged. It, along with some of the works of Nietzche, is the inspiration for the Teragen and provides a moral base for their actions.Dr. Arbitrary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradise Posted October 25, 2002 Share Posted October 25, 2002 Peoples, you missed the funniest thing about Minerva's post.She said "Dear God" and "I am a goddess" in the same sentence. A reference to THE God with a capital G would sort of deny the existence of the second...The bibble refers to other gods. It in fact refers to other god in the frist law of it's faith..I know I am not quoting it just right but, you shall place no gods,ideals, or icions before me.You will warship me above all other gods,ideals,and icoins.then again those christ folks don't really fallow that rule, you knwo the son of mary and alll.Now to the popic at hand, are ther good guys?Yes,there are, in fact I would say there are just a many goods as there are int eh real world,and just a many bad guys, or at least eh same ratio.One thing peopel forget, is that there is more thna one type of good,and they do nto always look eye to eye. T2M,pu,and even PPare doing what ehy think is best for the world,and for the most part are doing what is best for the world. Tarats are fight a nobble coase but they means they use are wrong.If you are an end justafie the means then yes these people are good guys...What I am saying is that all sides are good,and alll are evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David 'Dr. Troll' Smith Posted October 25, 2002 Share Posted October 25, 2002 ...All of Geryon's actions were against people who had renounced their rationality by eitherA: Using governmental authority to opress. (mayor of Tampa, The south africa dude etc.)B: Using physical means to opress.(the michael, archangel people)...Or C: Were baselines who happened to get in his way while he was dealing with A or B. (I.e. guards or other funtionaries in the mayor's office, on lookers at the Church of Mike, etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Arbitrary Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 C: Were baselines who happened to get in his way while he was dealing with A or B. (I.e. guards or other funtionaries in the mayor's office, on lookers at the Church of Mike, etc).C: People who facilitate A and B. (security guards, secretaries etc.)D: Unlucky bystanders. (people who get used as diversionary tactics)It seems that people in category D are pretty uncommon. I can only think of one example right now (the people in the building that Geryon hit while fighting Nipontai). I'm sure there are others examples but unlike some of the other Terats, D seems to be something he uses to accomplish A and B, not as an end unto itself.I would also like to clarify that I don't think force is the best way to resolve conflict, but there are cases where it is neccessary.Most conflicts should be resolved through judicial process, the exceptions are when the government/judicial body condones the violation of the human rights of some individuals for the sake of other individuals. (putting tracking collars on novas for the sake of the rest of the population etc.)-------Does anyone know if sluice (??, or was it some other nova who broke the no nova policy in tampa??) was given a trial?Dr. Arbitrary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Is there evil somewhere..Tell me because I didn't CLEARLY saw it. The evil depend of the point of view.......All is Relative.....IS Lucifer evil because he said to God....I dont loke the way you run the heaven.....What is Evil..Is this killing a personn...Than everybody is evil...Utopia, Proteus...Directive...Aberrant, Terage etc....There is no evil...only conflict of interest...and if your in the one side of the game....you are evil for the other side.....Like Eddy Murphy said in Vampire in Brooklyn..(something like that) EVIL IS GOOD.... ::sigh Lazarus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Arbitrary Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Lazarus, from your profile I see that you teach philosophy. I'm curious as to what philosophy you subscribe to that believes that there are no absolutes. My understanding is that Evil is defined as acting contrary to the Good. The two groups in Abberant that have the most obvious philisophical underpinnings are Utopia and Teragen.Teragen defines the Good as acting in ones self interest, they are based on the works of Ayn Rand and Nietzche.Utopia (And the aeon society) follow Immanuel Kant's view of the good, that of Altruism.Because they have opposing beliefs, only one of the following is possible:A: Utopia seeks the Good, and therefore Teragen is EvilB: Teragen seeks the Good, and therefore Utopia is EvilC: Niether Utopia or Teragen seeks the Good and therefore are both Evil.By the law of Non-Contradiction, Both Utopia and Teragen cannot be seeking the Good.Dr. Arbitrary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Dr. Arbitrary, i don't know if my english will betray me..because i'm not so good in english...Let me just say that the coherence theory of justification can explain that there is no absolute....I think that's what the creators of the univers of Aberrant are trying to tell us.....A theory that hold that the justification of any belief depends on an agent's other beliefs. Such theory hold that there are no basic belief....so it is with the concept of Good vs evil.....Kant belive in the autonomy of the will.....Nietzsche tell us that we are the creator of God and we must free ourself from the moral of the religious sollicitation....The manking must explore the innerself..potence...like he wrote in So spoke Zarathoustra (I don't known the real title in English....In french it's Ainsi parlait Zarathoustra)....And Charles Taylor tell us that in the modernity live the great menace..that of the lost of the meaning of life....of the instrumental reason..and in the sum of all....the decline of the liberty....That's Aberrant....I can't describe it more right now...because in Montreal....it's 2h00 am and I must go to sleep...I'm very tired....but I' will come back because i want to be clear...in english...I will try... Lazarus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Arbitrary Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Don't worry about the english. If I want to complain about your English I'd have to do it in French to be fair.The english title for Nietzche's book is "Thus spoke Zarathustra"As for everything being relative, the question is "What is everything relative to?"My answer is that everything is relative to one's basic beliefs, and that one's basic beliefs can be tested for meaning using reason.Dr. Arbitrary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knave Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 Actually - if you want to be completely anal about it... which i apparently do - it's Thus spake Zarathustra.-knave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 For the little philosophical discussion that we have presently....Let me just said that the naturalistic epistemology claim that in order to understand when a belief is reasonable and when evidence supports a belief, we must understand the way that human beings process information from their environment...I think the conception of good..like Kant wrote may be to relative....Can I translate correctly what he wrote.. ??? I'll try :act in the manner of your maxim become a universal one....It,s suck for a translation but it capture the essence of it...Lazarus...To make a belief of goodness.....what is good....and what is evil...again I think that is the essence of Aberrant....the gray zone... ::wacko Lazarus ::smokin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradise Posted November 9, 2002 Share Posted November 9, 2002 A: Utopia seeks the Good, and therefore Teragen is EvilB: Teragen seeks the Good, and therefore Utopia is EvilC: Niether Utopia or Teragen seeks the Good and therefore are both Evil.D: THe ideals of good are not always the same.Like the ideals of evil, not all ideals of good are the same level.. THe rights one the preson, over the rigths of the natoin. They both are sicking what is good, but they ar edoing on diffrent levels.ANother thing that may eb thought of as good and evil, is letting the little criminalls go frree, in order to catch the buig ones.Well, this could be seen in two lights, one to do a crime is to do a crime,and should be punished as such, another is that it dosen no good to bust the foot men,as ther are always more.Using crime we could walk a finer grey line.Let's take drug dealers.Well, we could look at this way.. Wwe shoudl send a message out to them that no one should dela,and bust them all..Witch in most light is the beest thing,, the good thing to do.But then aggainyou could always keep track of drug dealers,and make them play by a set of rules, as wile ther are always going to be drug dealers..there is only going to be a set number of them in an area. THe idea of making sure you drugs dealers woork within the rules you set up make for a more stable area..No one wins,w hen your street starts to look like gaza strip.So the trats,and uppies, coudl be seen as both good, just not on the same level.I think that the Trats are evil, not becuase of the goals, but becuase of the means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Arbitrary Posted November 10, 2002 Share Posted November 10, 2002 That's what I thought it was Knave, but I was momentarily stupid. Thus spake Zarathustra.The Kant quote is "Act as if the maxim of your action were to become through your will a general natural law"Paradise, you assume that it is given that the rights of the many are more important than those of the few. Consider the consequenses of holding the good of the majority over that of the minority. If you accept that, slavery, genocide and lynching are all acceptable.As for the drug dealer example. The question is, does society have the right to regulate the drug industry.I ask you to examine your basic beliefs and try to determine what the "Good" is. Only then can you determine what is ethical.As for the Teragen's means being immoral, they are freedom fighters for their basic rights as sentient beings. The Primacy is an exception, They are not acting in an ethical manner, They kill for the sake of killing.I wonder, if society demanded that you work for a token amount of money on a project for the good of society would you consent. What if they decided that they didn't like the way you looked and forbade you from leaving your house. Would you kill someone who tried to enforce either of these things. I think I would.Dr. Arbitrary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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