Dr. Zero Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 Here is a quandry I am interested in seeing how people approach...If you read the description of Gabriel Melchoir, The Miracle, in Aberrant Worldwide: Phase I it clearly states that he used his powers of plant growth apon eruption...That power is biomanipulation, a level 4 powerGabriel erupted with Quantum 6Do people feel it is appropriate for that to happen in the world? Even as an NPC, that means that Gabriel was somewhere around as powerful as Cestus Pax the MOMENT he began developing powers. While I, as an ST and also an oldskool DM see this as very appropriate for an NPC to be freakishly and unusually unbalanced, it raises the question as to whether that is something that should be able to happen in the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakinyan Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 Well I see no reason why it can't happen in a TT game. As long as the ST realizes what he is getting into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugin Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 All it means is that WW had an editing glitch. It's much more likely that happened than him erupting with a Q4 power which is against the very basis of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronin Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 I don't think so, m'man. After all, Biomanipulation cancels the PU sterility coctail, and if it was as simple as having a handy nova power (and of course knowing it's there), you'd think the lid would be off by now. What I find more likely is that Gabriel erupted with a Q5 and worked his way up to a Q6 prodigiously fast, and as we've seen, took on a corresponding amount of taint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charr Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 Another view that'll make some power gag. 1. Every eruption is different.2. Eruption happens in plank time - a duration too short for human or technological sensors.3. Quantum manifestation follows subjective logic vice objective logic including the setting of arbitrary limitations Ergo; the conditions of Gabe's first quantum manifestation were set during his eruption and designed as a demonstration to his conscious mind of what he'd be capable of when he was ready to accept it. A one time free pass if you will.Kind of makes his fall from sanity a little more poignant.Alternate explanation number 2: it only looks like Biomanipulation and is actually a level 1-3 power.Alternate explanation number 3: its all true but the quantum minimum of biomanipulation was raised during last minute editing as the power was seen to cause playability issue.WW screw up editing? Nah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David 'Dr. Troll' Smith Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 Most of the bio-manipulation techniques should be available as level 3 powers (Q=5).I think he erupted with plant growth and healing, but both of those were rolled into Bio-Manip when he hit Q6. That's about 10 nova points for his powers and 10 more for Quantum 5.He presumably also erupted with Mega-Stamina (which goes a long way to describe how he survived) and Mega-Chr.If you don't like those explainations, then how about just giving him Mega-Stamina and making the "plants grow around him and shield from from the sun" a special effect. Other NPCs like Pursuer & Black Dagger have special effects for their Mega-Stats. I see no reason why Gabby couldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Zero Posted June 23, 2004 Author Share Posted June 23, 2004 I suspect that people can simply erupt with Q6 under some circumstances, its just one of those bending the rules deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJEllis Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Maybe Gabriels player was the GM's Significant Other?I've seen Abbie games where the GM's GF has Q6 off the bat.SJE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakinyan Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Here is a tip from one who has dealt with this a lot in the past. Whenever a guy is running any kind of RPG with a Signifigant other involved as a player. Just walk away. Run if you have to. If you do decide to play ALWAYS hide behind the S.O.'s character because you know they will never be hurt or killed and can do whatever they need to anytime they want to. I'm not bitter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Templar Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 My wife and I constantly go over to a friends house and RP the weeked away with them and we seem to have no problems with the whole S.O. thing... the DM there (not me cause I suck at it)treats his wife just like us other players (and somtimes seems to pick on her more than us... issues maybe? :-P)So it's not always a bad thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sphere Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 GM controlled characters operate under slightly different rules to PCs. It's entirely likely they develop powers that PCs can't. For instance, I banned PCs from getting Pretercognition and Information Manipulation. But that hasn't stopped NPCs with those powers showing up from time to time.It's entirely possible (even going purely on Character Creation rules in the corebook) for a Nova to erupt at Q:6 although I'd imagine they'd have a significant level of Taint. I'd see them as starting off with minor powers but massive potential that manifests as they develop. It's only GM restrictions on it that prevent Players going that high.Remember that, at the time of Phase 1, Gabriel Melchior had one of the highest levels of Taint seen on the world stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Zero Posted June 25, 2004 Author Share Posted June 25, 2004 nice quote fav movie (the first but also second is a runner up)yep and yep, alot of taint... I feel like STs should choose taint after the second... players go too easy on themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trollroot Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 Minor quibles: Isn't Biomanipulation level 3? With a quantum minimum of 6?And I suspect Lambert Asani Sese Seko Kuko Ngbendu waza Banga the Second rather out-tainted Melchior. Although this wasn't publically known, despite the fellows high public profile.On Gabriels eruption, it is said to be common for Novas to access power levels at eruption that they are unable reproduce for years after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Zero Posted July 1, 2004 Author Share Posted July 1, 2004 Right but he kept that power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David 'Dr. Troll' Smith Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 Lambert (leader of some country in Africa) stopped appearing in public after he got visible taint. Melchior stayed in the public's eye view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sphere Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 The lowdown on Lambert is available in the Elites book. He's President of the Congo region. They don't stat him out but they do indicate he had Matter Manipulation abilities and a Taint of 10!!! Which should be a real shock to the Proteus boys when they find out.As to who gets to choose the aberrations for a character. Well, as my group's GM this is what I decided on. During character creation the Players can only Taint themselves as high as 4 Permanant, and they can choose the minor aberration they recieve. After that it's my choice.Call it chef's privilage. Chef gets to lick the spoon and I get to mutate my Players. It's one of the perks of being the GM, he he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Janos Rakozi Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 Taint 9, not 10. The descriptiond of his taint manifestations on pg. 89 are interesting.For a nova who erupted in 1999, by 2011, he is rather "under-developed". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David 'Dr. Troll' Smith Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 Only if you believe those stats are all that he has. I think it states right out that he needs ST development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sphere Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 Oops, my bad I guess he's just this side of rampaging out of control through the Congo, transforming and mutating everything in sight. (Hmm, I know what my Players are going to have to deal with on Sunday, heh heh heh.)Out of interest, anyone had any Taint 10's show up in their games? What were people's interpretation of the whole God or Demon thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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