Onyx Path: The Game is Afoot & Agogo! [Monday Meeting Notes]

[Matt]

The Deluxe Mage: The Ascension 20th Anniversary Edition: Victorian Age is the GAME, and the crowd-funding platform Indiegogo is the, well, GOGO!

Together, we’re talking about the campaign on Indiegogo for M20: Victorian Age (whew! that’s a lot less of a mouthful!) that has 10 days to go and continues to climb!

Generally, we’re really very happy with the way the crowd-funding campaign has gone. There’s a very steady beat of pledging, and folks are asking really helpful questions – not just about the game content, but also about the campaign itself.

This is excellent. James loves to keep up a bunch of conversations in the comments section, and can generally dig up any answers he doesn’t already know the answers to. The one gap area though, is when it is something that has to do with Indiegogo‘s processes.

Those, we’re all still learning as we go along. Just like with our games, no matter how much you research something new, somebody is going to raise a question you haven’t worked out yet! But we continue to learn by working through your questions, as well as our own!

Pretty much the most common area for questions is about payments. People are used to, and often budgeted for, the Kickstarter method of taking the pledges at the end of the campaign. A bunch of our tried and true processes like Stretch Goals and the release of text during the KS are connected to the way KS does their processes, so we feel ya.

James has been answering questions and helping folks figure out how to pledge or what to do when they want to upgrade a pledge or add to a pledge – most of which tends to be to a) cancel your pledge and re-pledge at your higher amount, or b) wait until we finish and move to BackerKit and pledge and add-on there.

So, Gogo will be taking pledges up until the end of the campaign on the 25th of March, for those of you who have waited until the end to pledge, and then we’ll move quickly to BackerKit for post-campaign activity. Like I mentioned a week or so ago, we’re also trying something we haven’t before – we’ll keep count of the BK pledge totals and see if we can’t achieve a few more Stretch Goals!

Like all of this crowd-funding for M20 Victorian Age, we’re emulating the inventive nature of the era, and even the BK part is trying out something we haven’t done before with counting for SGs.

Heirs To the Shogunate art by Gong Studios

Now, here’s something new: also on March 25th, after the M20: Victorian Age campaign is over on Indiegogo, we will start the Trinity Continuum: Adventure! campaign on Kickstarter! This is a campaign for a book, and an era, near and dear to my heart, but more on that next week and the weeks to come.

This week, the week before the TC:Adventure! KS launch, we’ve compiled all of the 6 parts of the Tales of the Aeon Society! radio drama into one collection which will be available this Weds! If you haven’t yet listened to any of the parts of the serial, now’s your chance to get all of them together – it’s a fantastic and thrilling lead-in to the game and Kickstarter!

We had a ton of fun putting together the radio drama, and in talking with the performers, I think they did, too! It’s not every day you get to be the voice of a student of Sherlock Holmes, a talking gorilla scientist, or Max Mercer.

Plus, the writing for this gave us a very different angle on how to demonstrate the differences that we’ve incorporated into pulp-style entertainment so as to reflect a modern sensibility while keeping the fun parts. I’ll talk more about this next week as it relates to both M20: Victorian Age and TC: Adventure!.

Until then, really hoping you all get the chance to listen to our stab at old-time radio cliffhangers!

Children of the Blood art by Drew Tucker

Clues From What We Talked About at the Monday Meeting! Good Lord! <choke>

Our meeting was really very project-focused this week, with lots of talk about the various game lines and how we are setting up their new projects.

Ian mentioned that his new computer can handle the crunching for adding animated parts to our Kickstarter videos in like one one-millionth of the time. So expect to see some tasty graphics in the TC: Adventure! KS video!

We looked at our massive iceberg of projects that built up over the course of 2020 in Editing that Dixie and crew have been chipping away at week after week. So, freelance Editors and Indexers out there, please do apply if you’d like to try using your skills on our projects – Dixie has a steady crew right now, but can always use more hands!

We’re involved in two sales currently:

Roll into Spring Sale at IPR:https://www.indiepressrevolution.com/xcart/Deals-and-Specials/
March Mystery Sale at DriveThruFiction:https://www.drivethrufiction.com/sale.php?manufacturers_id=4261

Mummy 2e art by Nate Pride

Finally, just a couple of teasers that we discussed the non-teaser parts of today. First, there’s a pretty cool announcement we’ll be making in two weeks – we hope, if all works out – and another fun one for April that are entirely not related to each other!

Obviously, I’m teasing for right now, but you’ll see what these are all about very soon. If anyone had way too much free time on their hands, they could probably look at each of the teasers I’ve brought up here over the years and chart them to the actual projects we then announced. Not saying anyone should, just that I only do them for things in the pipeline that do happen. Eventually!

But I rarely mention that this new cool thing was what I was referring to months earlier – we’re just too busy moving forward to the next awesome project we’re doing with our:

Many Worlds, One Path!

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BLURBS!

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Kickstarter!

The campaign for the Deluxe Mage: The Ascension 20th Anniversary Edition Victorian Age funded in less than a day on IndieGoGo!

We’ve already politely pushed past several Stretch Goals and are now headed with full steam power towards 1000 backers! Whoo-woooo!

Check it out here: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/victorian-mage-ttrpg

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Onyx Path Media!

This week: We get letters! We get letters! We get letters every day!

The Terrific Trio reach deep into the Pathcast Mailbag to answer your heartfelt missives and deflect your anguished brickbats! (Actually, these are questions and such from our fans sent in via a google doc response form, but somehow that’s less fun than a physical mailbag!) This week: the response has been so big, so huge, so gigantic – that a second Mailbag episode had to be done!

As always, this Friday’s Onyx Pathcast will be on Podbean or your favorite podcast venue! https://onyxpathcast.podbean.com/

Also on Podbean this week, on Wednesday, is the complete and compiled episodes of Tales of the Aeon Society! A recently recovered radio program from the 1930s that we here at Onyx Path have lovingly restored at great cost featuring the thrilling adventures of Max Mercer and the Aeon Society!

The fantastic team at Vorpal Tales continue their M20 Victorian Age chronicle this week! Check them out on Twitch and give them a follow (and maybe even a subscribe): https://www.twitch.tv/vorpaltales and here’s episode one of their actual play! https://youtu.be/9MHsKwwuXY4

By Night Studios interviewed developer Chris Allen regarding M20 Victorian Age over on their YouTube channel and it’s well worth a watch if you’re interested in the campaign (or even if you’re not)! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8od0ezRMUg

Really Dicey gave M20 Victorian Mage some lovely coverage right here, so please give them a view and a subscribe: https://youtu.be/Xa2j2dYsjEc

For anyone new to our media section, you can find us running and playing games over on twitch.tv/theonyxpath pretty much every day of the week! Plus, if you’d like your games hosted there, just get in touch with Matthew Dawkins using the contact link on matthewdawkins.com. 

This week on Twitch, there’s a bumper harvest of videos scheduled for you

• Mage 20th Victorian Age – Vorpal Tales
  
• Scarred Lands – Dead Man’s Rust – Red Scar Gaming
• Scion – Become as Gods – Powered by Astral
• Changeling: The Dreaming – The Last Faerie Tale
• Scarred Lands – Dracogenesis – Vorpal Tales
• Scarred Lands – Pirates of Bloodwater – Devil’s Luck
• V5 – Thy Kindred Come – Rolling Nomads
• PICK OF THE WEEK – V5 – The Badger Game – Band of Badgers
• Hunter: The Vigil – Anomalies Unbound – Devil’s Luck
• Scarred Lands – A Family Affair – Powered by Astral

The pick of the week for this week is Band of Badgers’ V5 chronicle, which looks like an at-times bizarre, at-times horrifying Vampire story! Give it a watch!

Get watching for some fantastic insight into how to run these wonderful games and subscribe to us on Twitch, over at twitch.tv/theonyxpath

Come take a look at our YouTube channel, youtube.com/user/theonyxpath, where you can find a whole load of videos of actual plays, dissections of our games, and more, including:

Scion – Become as Gods – Episode 4 – https://youtu.be/Z0QD-yMkJjY

Hunter: The Vigil 2E – Stuffed – Episode 7 – https://youtu.be/eFeK0fauJa4

Deviant: The Renegades – A Cautionary Tale – Episode 9 – https://youtu.be/MFyo-SSmD2Q

Scion: Dragon – Vorpal Tales – FINALE – https://youtu.be/oye7le70__4

M20 Victorian Mage – Vorpal Tales – Episode 2 – https://youtu.be/rmLoQTSDFVU

Subscribe to our channel and click the bell icon if you want to be notified whenever new news videos and uploads come online!

Matthew Dawkins ran a Learn2Play session of They Came from Beneath the Sea! for the OneBookShelf crew last week! This session includes character creation for three characters (taking an hour) and a short b-movie story (taking another hour!). Do give it a look and give the channel some support: https://youtu.be/tqz02wdyZI0

McStabber Studios run a superb chronicle of Wraith: The Oblivion we’d love for you to check out over on their Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/mcstabberstudios

The fantastic Scarred Lands Purge of the Serpentholds crew now run their games over on Roll the Role! Do give them a follow and a subscribe, because their gaming is among the most entertaining I’ve seen: https://www.twitch.tv/rolltherole

Devil’s Luck Gaming have got an SCP-inspired Hunter: The Vigil chronicle running over on their Twitch channel, and we’d love for you to check it out: https://www.twitch.tv/devilsluckgaming

Wards & Witchcraft continue their wonderful Mage: The Awakening chronicle which you can watch right here:

A prelude session set months before the game begins. Get to know our barhopping Mystagogue Mona. In this inwards, outwards journey, Mona must confront herself to see the heart of creation. Beneath Beacon Hill stands a place of worship. As a member of the Mysterium Mona has been charged with completing a ritual intended to bring her closer to the nature of magic itself. Venturing into her Oneiros, her personal dream space, Mona must overcome the challenges that stand between her and the truth. What will she learn, and how will she change? https://youtu.be/xhYhG2dPCtg

Mage: The Podcast interviews a whole raft of Mage actual players in their latest episode: http://magethepodcast.com/index.php/2021/03/13/mage-actual-plays-with-vorpaltales-guldan-age-stories-ombligo-del-diablo-and-utility-muffin-labs/

Mage Actual Plays with VorpalTales, Guldan Age Stories, Ombligo Del Diablo, and Utility Muffin Labs

Systematic Understanding of Everything is a fantastic Exalted Explainer Podcast by Exalted Dev Monica Speca and Exalted Writer Chazz Kellner. You should check it out, because it remains among the best Exalted shows out there.

Their most recent episodes are available over on https://www.exaltcast.com/, with their newest the following:
Exalts channel their personal Essence to awe-inspiring levels to change Creation, but what of those who command the Essence of Creation itself as sorcerers? Monica and Chazz talk sorcerous workings, demon summoning, and the aptly named Death Ray. 
https://www.exaltcast.com/2021/03/08/hidden-secrets-whisper-sorcery/

A Bunch of Gamers continue their gripping and bloody Werewolf: The Apocalypse actual play!
The packs split up to tackle the fallen Sept of the Winter Fang. The Infernal Alphas along with Dimitri Howls-In-Memory scout out the fallen Caern while Fomori’s Bane return to the Sept of the Five Mirrors to draw upon allies to aid them in the attack.
https://youtu.be/X5mMq-1ErzI

Wendi-Wolf Studios is also on the Werewolf: The Apocalypse train and has an excellent playlist of videos for you to watch right here. It’s a full chronicle! https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLta7aLbIMbwQGL6VWc9L71F7-khSW8hDM

Please check these out and let us know if you find or produce any actual plays of our games! We’d love to feature you!

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Electronic Gaming!

As we find ways to enable our community to more easily play our games, the Onyx Dice Rolling App is live! Our dev team has been doing updates since we launched based on the excellent use-case comments by our community, and this thing is awesome! (Seriously, you need to roll 100 dice for Exalted? This app has you covered.)

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Virtual TableTop!

Two Virtual Tabletop adventures: the Gauntlet of Spiragos and the Dagger of Spiragos for Scarred Lands on Astral TableTop and DriveThruRPG!

Scars of the Divine War, which ended less than 200 years ago, have still not healed. One such scar is the Chasm of Flies, a rent in the earth created when the titan Spiragos the Ambusher was smote down by one of the young gods, Vangal the Ravager. Now, the Chasm is inhabited by spider-eye goblins and their spider allies, but it is also thought to be the resting place of powerful artifacts from that elder age.

Astral TableTop is the easiest way to play any tabletop RPG online, free. Astral already supports popular systems like D&D and Pathfinder, and Astral can support virtually any tabletop roleplaying game. Get started quickly with built-in support for most popular game systems. Whether you’re brand new to TTRPGs or a veteran tabletop gamer, Astral‘s ease-of-use and built in automation is designed to streamline gameplay.

Astral is browser-based and uses the latest technology to streamline your storytelling experience. Connect with your party online and run your campaigns however you like. Astral offers tools optimized for phone, tablet, and desktop devices, no installation required.

Build epic battlemaps using Astral‘s enormous collection of scenery, props, and tokens or upload your own. Pro users gain access to over 12,000+ assets and fresh new packs every month. Add weather, visual effects, triggers, and so much more with easy-to-use tools

Build your own adventure, or choose from pre-generated game kits like Gauntlet of Spiragos and Dagger of Spiragos. Create character sheets, craft maps, or just jump right in to connect with your friends and start your adventures!

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On Amazon and Barnes & Noble!

You can now read our fiction from the comfort and convenience of your Kindle (from Amazon) and Nook (from Barnes & Noble).

If you enjoy these or any other of our books, please help us by writing reviews on the site of the sales venue from which you bought it. Reviews really, really help us get folks interested in our amazing fiction!

Our selection includes these latest fiction books:

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Our Sales Partners!

We’re working with Studio2 to provide our traditionally printed books out into your local game stores. Game stores can order via their usual distributors, and can also contact Studio2 directly. And individuals can check out our projects via the links below!

You can pick up the traditionally printed Pugmire and Monarchies of Mau main books, screens, and the official dice through our friends there! https://studio2publishing.com/search?q=pugmire

Now, we’ve added Chronicles of Darkness books such as Changeling: The Lost Second Edition products to Studio2‘s store! See them here: https://studio2publishing.com/collections/all-products/changeling-the-lost

Scion 2e books and other products are available now at Studio2: https://studio2publishing.com/blogs/new-releases/scion-second-edition-book-one-origin-now-available-at-your-local-retailer-or-online

Our Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition books are also available from Studio2 in the US: https://studio2publishing.com/products/vampire-the-masquerade-chicago-by-night-sourcebook

Looking for our Deluxe or Prestige Edition books? Try this link! http://www.indiepressrevolution.com/xcart/Onyx-Path-Publishing/

And you can order Pugmire, Monarchies of Mau, Cavaliers of Mars, and Changeling: The Lost 2e at the same link! And now Scion Origin and Scion Hero and Trinity Continuum Core and Trinity Continuum: Aeon are available to order!

For fantastic savings on Onyx Path dice sets, check out the Rolling into Spring Sale at IPR:https://www.indiepressrevolution.com/xcart/Deals-and-Specials/

As always, you can find Onyx Path’s titles at DriveThruRPG.com!

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On Sale This Week!

This Wednesday look to the waters for the PDF and PoD versions of Monsters of the Deep! for It Came From Beneath the Sea! on DTRPG!

Monsters of the Deep! is an expansive bestiary for They Came from Beneath the Sea!, including a variety of new monsters big and small to include in your stories as goons, or to base your plots around as central antagonists. 

As with the threats introduced in They Came from Beneath the Sea!, the monsters in this book can be played for farce, with the Director emphasizing the rubbery costumes coming apart at the seams, or for horror, with the Director describing in precise detail what the Algae of Doom does to its victims (and it isn’t pretty!).

They Came from Beneath the Sea! uses the Storypath System.

Monsters of the Deep! includes:

• Disgusting Destroyers such as Billy Skibbers, the Colossomantids, and the Siliclones!

• Edentulous Enslavers including the Algae of Doom, Poseidon, and the Box Jellies!

• Insidious Invaders including the Sea Dragons, Dire Sea Sponges, and Jelly Men!

• Putrid Primordials such as the Turtledon, the Creeping Coral, and the Gullbatross!

• Spumy Spies not limited to Melvis and the Deep-Water Band, Mr. Frosty, and the Red Coral Society!

• Terrible Terrestrial Threats including the Red Death, Reverend Aquarius, and B.A.K.E!

• And many, many more…

Calling all people around the world, and all the ships at sea! News flash! Wednesday also features the compiled episodes of our thrilling radio adventure: Tales of the Aeon Society! Complete Collection! Available wherever podcasts are heard, and definitely with our friends at Podbean!

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Conventions!

Because dates for physical conventions are subject to change due to the current COVID-19 outbreak, we don’t yet have a list of upcoming physical conventions. Instead, keep an eye out here for more virtual conventions we’re going to be involved with!

As announced, the 2nd Onyx Path Virtual Gaming Convention will be coming to you live this June!

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And now, the new project status updates!

Development Status from Eddy Webb! (Projects in bold have changed status since last week.):

First Draft (The first phase of a project that is about the work being done by writers, not dev prep.)

• Exalted Essay Collection (Exalted)
• The Hedge (Changeling: The Lost 2nd Edition)
• Tasty Bit: Zeus in a Bar (Scion 2nd Edition)
• Ghost Hunters Jumpstart w/RMCs (WoD 20th)
• The Paranormal Investigator’s Handbook (WoD 20th)
• Tasty Bit: Car Lifting Competition (Scion 2nd Edition)
• Tasty Bit: Les Fantomes (Trinity Continuum)
• Apocalyptic Record (Werewolf: The Apocalypse 20th Anniversary Edition)
• Vigil Watch: The Kelder Mountains (Scarred Lands)
• M20 Lore of the Traditions (Mage: The Ascension 20th Anniversary Edition)

Redlines

• Dragon-Blooded Novella #2 (Exalted 3rd Edition)
• They Came From [Classified]! Jumpstart (They Came From…!)
• Tome of the Pentacle (Mage: the Awakening 2e)
• No Gods, No Masters (Scion 2nd Edition)

Second Draft

• Wild Hunt (Scion 2nd Edition)
• Once and Future (Scion 2nd Edition)
• Tasty Bit: Heroes of the Waste (Dystopia Rising: Evolution)

Development

• TC: Aberrant Reference Screen (Trinity Continuum: Aberrant)
• Contagion Chronicle: Global Outbreaks (Chronicles of Darkness)
• Exigents (Exalted 3rd Edition)
• Kith and Kin (Changeling: The Lost 2e)
• Adversaries of the Righteous (Exalted 3rd Edition)
• Many-Faced Strangers – Lunars Companion (Exalted 3rd Edition)
• Tales of Depravity! (They Came From…!)
• They Came From [Classified]! (They Came From…!)
• Realms of Magic and Mystery (was Terra Incognita) (Scion 2nd Edition)

Manuscript Approval

• Onyx Path Brochure 2021-2022
• They Came From Camp Murder Lake! (They Came From…!)

Post-Approval Development

• Contagion Chronicle Ready-Made Characters (Chronicles of Darkness)
• Trinity Continuum: Adventure! core (Trinity Continuum: Adventure!)
• Trinity Continuum: Assassins (Trinity Continuum Core)
• Saints and Monsters (Scion 2nd Edition)
• Trinity Continuum: Anima

Editing

• Lunars Novella (Rosenberg) (Exalted 3rd Edition)
• The Book of Lasting Death (Mummy: The Curse 2e)
• Dead Man’s Rust (Scarred Lands)
• M20 Victorian Mage (Mage: the Ascension 20th Anniversary Edition)
• Mission Statements (Trinity Continuum: Aeon)
• The Clades Companion (Deviant: The Renegades)
• M20 Technocracy Operative’s Dossier (Mage: The Ascension 20th Anniversary)
• Yugman’s Appendix: People of Ghelspad (Scarred Lands)
• CtL2e Novella Collection: Hollow Courts (Changeling: The Lost 2e)
• Heroes in a World of Horror! (They Came From…!)
• Dystopia Rising: Evolution Fiction Anthology (Dystopia Rising: Evolution)
• Squeaks In The Deep (Realms of Pugmire)
• Prometheus Unbound (was Psi Orders) (Trinity Continuum: Aeon)
• Legacies of Earth (Legendlore)
• Novas Worldwide (Trinity Continuum: Aberrant)
• Scion Fiction Anthology (Scion 2nd Edition)
• M20 Rich Bastard’s Guide To Magick (Mage: The Ascension 20th Anniversary)
• They Came From Beyond the Grave! Jumpstart (They Came From…!)
• Across the Eight Directions (Exalted 3rd Edition)
• Monsters From the Crypt! (They Came From…!)
• TC: Aeon Novella: Meridian (Trinity Continuum: Aeon)
• Exalted Essence Edition (Exalted 3rd Edition)
• Crucible of Legends (Exalted 3rd Edition)
• Tasty Bit: Outer Space Archetypes and Tropes (They Came From…!)
• The Devoted Companion (Deviant: The Renegades)
• Proteus Nova Compendium (Trinity Continuum: Aberrant)
• They Came From Beneath the Sea! Jumpstart (They Came From…!)
• TC: Aeon Novella: Dawn (Trinity Continuum: Aeon)
• Tasty Bit: Pets (Trinity Continuum: Aeon)

Post-Editing Development

• Hunter: The Vigil 2e core (Hunter: The Vigil 2nd Edition)
• Legendlore core book (Legendlore)
• Masks of the Mythos (Scion 2nd Edition)
• They Came From Beyond the Grave! (They Came From!)
• Scion: Demigod (Scion 2nd Edition)
• Scion: Dragon (Scion 2nd Edition)
• Player’s Guide to the Contagion Chronicle (Chronicles of Darkness)
• V5 Children of the Blood (was The Faithful Undead) (Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition)
• N!ternational Wrestling Entertainment (Trinity Continuum: Aberrant)
• Dearly Bleak – Novella (Deviant: The Renegades)
• V5 Trails of Ash and Bone (Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition)
• Hundred Devil’s Night Parade (Exalted 3rd Edition)
• Under Alien Skies (Trinity Continuum: Aeon)
• V5 Forbidden Religions (Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition)

Indexing

• Mummy: The Curse 2e

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Art Direction from Mike Chaney!

In Art Direction

• WoD Ghost Hunters (KS)
• Hunter: The Vigil 2e – AD’d.
• Legendlore – checking with artists.
• Scion: Dragon (KS)
• Masks of the Mythos (KS)
• Scion: Demigod
• They Came From Beyond the Grave!
• TC: Adventure! (KS) – KS assets ready.
• M20 Victorian (KS) – Ready for KS.
• Dead Man’s Rust
• M20 Technocracy Jumpstart
• Exalted Essence (KS) – Artwork continuing, Maria working on logo designs.
• V5 Trail of Ash and Bone – Art in for approvals.
• V5 Forbidden Religions – Gaydos on fulls.
• TC Mission Statements
• TC Aberrant N!WE
• M20 Technocracy Dossier/Companion
• M20 Rich Bastards Guide – Art buy figured out, need art notes.
• Hundred Devils Night Parade
• Squeaks In The Deep (KS) – Just need the KS map & ye olde logo.
• Players Guide to the Contagion Chronicle
• TC Prometheus Unbound

In Layout

• M20 Technocracy Reloaded
• TC Aberrant Jumpstart
• TC: Under Alien Skies – First proof almost ready.
• Heirs to the Shogunate – It’s a goin.

Proofing

• Geist: One Foot In the Grave – Inputting errata/page XXing.
• Deviant – Page XXing.
• Mummy 2 – In Indexing.
• Children of the Blood – Just need to wrap up cover and then in for approvals.
• LARP Rules (Scion 2nd Edition)
• Vigil Watch Compiled – Advance PDF errata input.

At Press

• V5 Cults of the Blood Gods – Press files proofs reviewed and returned.
• Aberrant – PoD proof ordered. Trad print proofs reviewed and returned.
• TC: Aberrant Screen – Press files sent.
• Peoples of the Crossroads Continent – PoD proof ordered.
• Yugmans – PoD proof ordered.
• Yugman’s spell cards – PoD ordered.
• Contagion Chronicle Jumpstart (Chronicles of Darkness) – Prepping Advance PDF.
• Monsters of the Deep – PDF and PoD versions go live on Weds on DTRPG!
• Tales of the Aeon Society Combined Edition! – Goes live on Weds.!

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Today’s Reason to Celebrate!

Today is the birthday of the late great Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, inspiration and legendary jurist. It is also the Ides of March, historically the day that Julius Caesar was assassinated in Rome. “Beware the Ides of March”, “Et tu, Brute” and all that. As far as I know, there are no connections between these two events.