Vox Via Posted May 17, 2005 Share Posted May 17, 2005 I am going to do a story that may well end in vanguard's death. I am looking for a bit of input on how people think. I will most likely do it three parts.I don't know how long each part will be nor when i will be doing any of them. But here is the basic ideal of the story.Title"Sounds like heaven is falling"Vanguard is going to confront the nova who killed his lover, Fawks way back in 2007. As far as Vanguard knows said nova's actions will cause a large part of the LA area to be burnt tot he ground.Vanguard will try to talk the nova out the actions, and fail. He will state clearly that the only way he could stop the nova would be by killing them. A fight will happen. Vanguard will "win". By win I mean that the other nova will die, but I do not know if Vanguard will either be really hurt or dead. I would like to hear some ideas on this topic.One thing I have to ask is if you kill someone in international waters/space can you be tried in any national courts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David 'Dr. Troll' Smith Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 Quote:Vanguard:One thing I have to ask is if you kill someone in international waters/space can you be tried in any national courts? I have to think "Yes", just because it isn't open season on the open seas and because there are no real international courts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamer Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 Yes and no. Most people never set foot in either space or international areas. I do see your point, I will take it into account of my story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Gaedel Glas Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 I'm of a mind to say that it depends on whether a counrty wanted to make an issue of it. Being in international waters means there's no one with the authority to say they can't if they want and their laws can be interpreted to let them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Janos Rakozi Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 I don't think LA can be nuked an it not get noticed in canon.Also, I think the murder case gets tried on a number of basises.-The country of origin of the victim.-The home country of the victim.-There is also the International Criminal Court and the World Court at the Hague. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David 'Dr. Troll' Smith Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 Not really. It just means that more countries *can* get involved.Who died? I.e. what was his nationality. If he was a US cit, then the US has a claim.Where did it happen? If it was on a boat then the boat is chartered somewhere and that country has a claim.Who did the killing. Again, if he was a US cit, then the US has a claim. Added to that you have "what do various countries know", "how public is this", and "how do they feel about the various people involved."When Terrorists killed a US cit on board a (I think) Greek Cruise Liner, I think he was eventually tried in Greece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vox Via Posted May 21, 2005 Author Share Posted May 21, 2005 Quote:Originally posted by Count Janos Rakozi: I don't think LA can be nuked an it not get noticed in canon.Also, I think the murder case gets tried on a number of basises.-The country of origin of the victim.-The home country of the victim.-There is also the International Criminal Court and the World Court at the Hague. On the nuking of La La Land, that would have happened if the fight didn't happen. Could have beens are plenty and do not break canon.Brazil.And Brazil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vox Via Posted May 21, 2005 Author Share Posted May 21, 2005 Quote:Originally posted by David 'Dr. Troll' Smith: Not really. It just means that more countries *can* get involved.Who died? I.e. what was his nationality. If he was a US cit, then the US has a claim.Where did it happen? If it was on a boat then the boat is chartered somewhere and that country has a claim.Who did the killing. Again, if he was a US cit, then the US has a claim. Added to that you have "what do various countries know", "how public is this", and "how do they feel about the various people involved."When Terrorists killed a US cit on board a (I think) Greek Cruise Liner, I think he was eventually tried in Greece. Over open water or in lower space. In any case over the Pacific area.Nationalities are US and Brazilian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 Interestingly enough, something destroys much of the Amazon by the time of the Trinity timeline, so knock yourself out, Vanguard. Once the canon timeline enters limbo, much more should be open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugin Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 Quote:Originally posted by Jager: Once the canon timeline enters limbo, much more should be open. Why?We're still talking 25 years before the Abberant War gets funky. Why the heck would things get to a boil super quickly and then stay that way for a couple of decades? Doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 Why not? We have some indication what happens up until mid-2015, but much less so afterwards. Its not that it doesn't make sense, just that it doesn't make sense to you.Emphasis on the "should be". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugin Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 I just wonder at emphasis on the "much".Nuking the Amazon is a significant jump up in activity. Besides Sao Paulo what would really compare and Sao Paulo is still a mystery for the most part. A nova blasting "much of the Amazon" isn't just something being opened because we're passing canon, that's a huge leap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarot Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 And let's not forget that a good chunk of the the world's O2 gets processed out of the Amazon. Suddenly it stops looking like just another story, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 I was pointing out that "reforesting" the Amazon Basin is a big deal in the Trinity timeline, but they never tell exactly how it got devestated in the first place. Hell, I don't even know if we are going to go with what's in Trinity, which opens up even more possibilities and "what ifs".I know its not just another story, but then cities will get devastated, the American Midwest will get turned into an aberrated wasteland, islands get nuked, and the UN HQ goes to Nigeria. Bad shit will happen. We "know" that NYC and Mexico City get pretty much wasted and that something leads to the Japanese to close off the Home Islands from almost all outside contact (I wonder what happens to Nippontai?). There are alot of stories out there. Some may have to do with Tarot and whomevers the latest Nova sensation, and some will have to do with tens of thousands of people getting killed ... and maybe one will lead to the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vox Via Posted May 23, 2005 Author Share Posted May 23, 2005 I don't really care about the "Nuking the Amazon". I have a story in mind. I will not change the whole fo it, but I will change the parts of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamer Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 Do to the repsonce I have gotten form this thread, both openly and privately i will unlikely kill of vanguard. I will however not be posting on him for sometime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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