Rubio OOC Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 EDIT: I am re-opening this for recruitment now that my site issues have been cleared up and I find myself able to post again. ROSTER SO FAR Gabe - Samuel Connel Hyoseph- Rogue darksiderEDIT: Go to this post for the likely growing list of house rulesEDIT: Although the Star Wars D6 rules are long out of print, a pdf can't be obtained legally. However, d6 space is freely available and will as a perfectly adequate reference for rules. The links for d6 space (among many other things) can be found here So I've been tossing around the idea in my head and have come to the conclusion that there needs to be some Star Wars! I'm pitching the idea of a game set in the Old Republic era before the Treaty of Coruscant, where there was a state of war between the Sith Empire and the Republic.The basic concept is similar to Dark Heresy, where the players will form a retinue, but instead of an Inquisitor, the party will serve a Sith Lord of middling importance. The crew will be primarily occupied with ensuring that the independent systems of a star cluster are... Compliant with Imperial interests. Also to combat the actions of the Republic doing the same. The Players will form the retinue of one of the Agents of the Crown of Leontides, the ruling body of the Alusan Expanse. Both the Republic and the Empire have an interest in gaining control over the sector, and with war raging across the galaxy, neither will have the population's best interests at heart.Overview of Leontides So, that's the pitch. If there's interest, then the inevitable system to use discussion can start.It seems that there will be more interest if this goes the D6 route, so D6 it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDP_ST Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 System used? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubio OOC Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 I'll hold off on the discussion of whether to use D6, D20, or something else until some folks have expressed interest in the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalmonMax Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Ehhh...not really interested in bein' Sith I don't think. ,, I know the old trot about 'Sith don't have to be evil,' but really? Yeah, not so much. Everything in the Sith Empire pretty much encourages and demands evil actions. Granted, the Sith Code itself doesn't mandate it, but the Empire pretty much revolves around it. ,, So yeah. I'll hold out until I can play a character I don't despise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubio OOC Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 Oh, make no mistake, Sith are pretty evil. To be strong in the Dark Side almost requires it. Any force-sensitive Joe/Jane can be a "fuck da po-lice" selfish dark-side adept, but it takes a certain kind of mental damage to be able to harbor and cultivate all the darkest and most powerful emotions that they experience and draw power from it. To say nothing of the kind if psychosis that draws one to the Sith philosophy of power and control. That said, any force-users will be assumed to be low-level Acolytes or untrained force-sensitive independents who still retain their personalities and haven't been consumed by the Dark Side. If that's not your cuppa tea, no worries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabe OOC Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 I'm willing to give this a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave ST Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 No worries Max, just start up, then drop off and join the Jedi cause. It's the STs problem after that. ,, D6 Star Wars is far more manageable in a PbP environment. Plus, it's just a better system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jameson (ST) Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 While I'm hardly a man with boat loads of free time I have been wanting to give the d6 system a try. If this goes d6 I'll consider it, but I'm with Max, I have no particular desire to play a villain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave ST Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Ditto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubio OOC Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 D6 Star Wars is far more manageable in a PbP environment. Plus, it's just a better system. "Better System" is open to debate (the wild die in particular drives me nuts) but not needing a tactical grid is a definite plus. But like I said, system discussions come later. Was that a vote of interest, Dave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave ST Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 I would be interested, yes, but I'm with Jameson, I'd prefer not to play a villain. Simply put, when I play a Sith I do it right, which means I'm already planning on killing the other PCs and removing them from the Chess board. They are obstructions on my path to power and I simply could not allow that. Especially if The GDP plays... there would be team ups then the inevitable death of everyone else, then us dueling and then one of us dying and then you're stuck with a one player game... because we're Sith... and that's how Sith roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalmonMax Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 That's pretty much how I see it too. ,, You can't have a 'team' of Sith. You have a group where one Sith is powerful enough to dominate the others...which requires him to make periodic examples of that power...or you have a Sith who thinks he is powerful enough, and dies finding out he isn't. ,, Either way, PvP combat is inevitable. And I'm just not interested in that. ,, That doesn't mean I require the game to be a Republic game, and that force-users have to be Jedi. Far from it. ,, But the Sith are a very particular type of force user, with very specific codes of conduct that make them unsuitable for my tastes in gaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubio OOC Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 Fair enough. I should have mentioned that I'm specifically not going for PvP, so it sounds like you might wanna give this one a pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jameson (ST) Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 I require a droids only game, with the players speaking strictly in proper droid speak at all times. ,, Yes, I am kidding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubio OOC Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 I seem to have miscommunication. Not all characters need be Force-users. So while they are Imperial, they aren't necessarily Sith. Furthermore, if players decide that they can't deal with being a part of the empire, rebellion is a viable path. To prevent it from being a flat-out PvP fest, the idea was that everyone would start off at least nominally loyal to an NPC (like I said, similarities to Dark Heresy) and have a reason to not shank each other at the first opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jameson (ST) Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Fair enough. I should have mentioned that I'm specifically not going for PvP, so it sounds like you might wanna give this one a pass. ,, ,, To prevent it from being a flat-out PvP fest, the idea was that everyone would start off at least nominally loyal to an NPC (like I said, similarities to Dark Heresy) and have a reason to not shank each other at the first opportunity. ,, Wait ... In one post you said one thing and in the other you implied the opposite. Are you intending PvP or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubio OOC Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 Hm? I seem to be all miscommunications today. I specifically don't like PvP. In the second quoted post I was trying to communicate that there would be built-in reasons to not go PvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave ST Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 So... you want us to be bad guys, but not be bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalmonMax Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Hm. Well, I applaud you anti-pvp platform...I just don't know if the situation you outline will prevent it. The Sith Empire as a whole embraces that philosophy. I suppose having a superior who says right up front, "Don't kill each other, or you'll answer to me," could stave off outright combat. But any loyal Imperial citizen will idolize amoral ruthlessness. ,, Which I still think will lead towards PVP like the Yellow Brick Road leads to the Emerald City. ,, I will watch this experiment with interest to see if my hypothesis is borne out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jameson (ST) Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 I'll keep my eyes on this in case it becomes something non-Sith using d6, otherwise I think I'ma opt out as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubio OOC Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 So... you want us to be bad guys, but not be bad? Bad guys? Sure, but that can be accomplished without PvPHm. Well, I applaud you anti-pvp platform...I just don't know if the situation you outline will prevent it. The Sith Empire as a whole embraces that philosophy. I suppose having a superior who says right up front, "Don't kill each other, or you'll answer to me," could stave off outright combat. But any loyal Imperial citizen will idolize amoral ruthlessness. Which I still think will lead towards PVP like the Yellow Brick Road leads to the Emerald City. I will watch this experiment with interest to see if my hypothesis is borne out. Place your bets now I'll keep my eyes on this in case it becomes something non-Sith using d6, otherwise I think I'ma opt out as well. Gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabe OOC Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Honestly, I'm tempted to agree that the Sith may not be a long term thing. And it would be simpler, more straightforward (and probably going to get more interest) if we did something non-Sith. The point fairly made is that the propensity for backstabbing and deceit is not very good for team effectiveness even if we did non-PvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubio OOC Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 Based on the response, it looks like that woul indeed be the case. I will ponder more and post again when I get home tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDP_ST Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 I would be interested, yes, but I'm with Jameson, I'd prefer not to play a villain. Simply put, when I play a Sith I do it right, which means I'm already planning on killing the other PCs and removing them from the Chess board. They are obstructions on my path to power and I simply could not allow that. Especially if The GDP plays... there would be team ups then the inevitable death of everyone else, then us dueling and then one of us dying and then you're stuck with a one player game... because we're Sith... and that's how Sith roll. ,, Word. ,, The entire central tenet of the Sith philosophy is that You, Mister Sith Dude, are the center of your universe. Everything and everyone around you is to be manipulated, coerced or tricked into serving your ends. There are 'grey' Sith who don't go completely cackling bonkers and try to blow up planets, but in the end being Sith is about control over one's surroundings. ,, If you have a superior, then he is to be supplanted as soon as you've learned everything he can teach you and he's no longer strong AND cunning enough to control you. ,, You don't have peers, you have rivals. ,, The universe polarises into stronger and weaker, useful and irrelevant, servant or enemy. If someone isn't one, then they are the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave ST Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 PREACH ON BROTHA, ALEX! ,, TESTIFY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jameson (ST) Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Translation: Sith are douchebags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalmonMax Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 That's pretty much the summary of the entire Star Wars saga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubio OOC Posted March 7, 2013 Author Share Posted March 7, 2013 Okay, I'm changing the game concept from being agents of the Empire to being Agents of the Crown. The Leontides system controls several star systems in the Alusan Expanse sector of space. The monarchs haven't been perfect, but they've maintained the peace between the various systems under their protection and have kept the pirates and criminals at bay to the outer systems of the sector. It would be just another sector of space if it weren't for the discovery of several stable hyperspace paths that wind in and out of the stellar phenomena of the cluster to provide reliable transit into both the unknown regions and the deep core, allowing Jedi and Sith to potentially strike into the heart of each other's territory. Due to the pressures of war, neither the Empire or the Republic can spare the strength necessary to conquer the Alusan Expanse, so they have turned to the age-old tricks of statecraft: bribery, deceit, and proxy wars fought by mercenaries and pirates. The Leontidian Monarch wants nothing to do with the mad religious war that is engulfing the galaxy, but it has come to the sector's doorstep. So the Crown Agents have been put out to maintain the peace and keep both Republuc and Empire at arms' length. The Crown Agents are diplomats, warriors, and spymasters supreme, but they can't be everywhere at once. Thus, they maintain retinues of promising individuals with skills that are useful to spying and statecraft. Blaster slingers, slicers, pilots, martial artists, mystics, scholars, and grifters all have their uses. And it's a good thing they do, it's a big job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jameson (ST) Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 This is more appealing to me. If this is going to be d6 system I'd be down for it. Probably as a pilot. Alternately a roguish type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalmonMax Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Now this is interesting. Like the game concept. ,, I will think on this. ,, What kind of Force traditions are available in this system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabe OOC Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Now this is an idea I really could get behind. I'm thinking about bringing back Samuel Connell for this... in the d20 system he'd be a Fringer, to give you an idea... excellent tracker, marksman and survivalist... ,, Though I could try d20, d6 or whatever else is proposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubio OOC Posted March 7, 2013 Author Share Posted March 7, 2013 I have a soft spot in my heart for the d20 system, no lie, but I'm specifically holding off on game system discussion for now. But I'm stoked that this seems to be getting more interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krul Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 This is more interesting to me then being a Sith... ,, I'm sort of with Max here, wondering what sort of force tradition is in play here.. though we could come up with our own force tradition for this system.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubio OOC Posted March 7, 2013 Author Share Posted March 7, 2013 I'm pondering the question of force traditions. In order to prevent Mary-suetopia traditions, I'm probably going to be outlining one or two. There's also the possibility that a character has had good old-fashioned Jedi training as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalmonMax Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Could be, could be. Maybe a Jedi who's acting outside the Republic...or who is acting as a liason for the Republic. ,, Lots of possibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jameson (ST) Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 A Jedi working with a bunch of spies who work for a non-aligned stellar empire seems like it might stretch credulity. Why would the spies trust him? How would the jedi hide his jedi-ness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubio OOC Posted March 7, 2013 Author Share Posted March 7, 2013 Plenty of prospective trainees and even padawan/apprentices decide that they don't wish to be part if the order and part ways (this fact is not advertised) There's also the possibility that someone could be a Jedi washout. Force-sensitive, but didn't have the right stuff to be a full-on Jedi. Someone who has strength in the force but has too much compassion to be a Sith might be able to fake their own death, get reconstructive surgery, and flee. Plenty of possibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalmonMax Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Hm...renegade sith is also a cool idea. ,, My first thought for a Jedi liason as that he was working with the other PCs to build diplomatic ties and goodwill to bolster the Republic case...but as I reread the game's premise, I realize that it would mean he's working against the Republic in some cases. Hee hee. ,, So yeah, that might not work so well. ,, Still, a more independent sort of either polarity could work fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krul Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Matukai ,, There's one idea, that I like some.. but that location also has this ,, http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Force-based_organizations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubio OOC Posted March 7, 2013 Author Share Posted March 7, 2013 My first thought for a Jedi liason as that he was working with the other PCs to build diplomatic ties and goodwill to bolster the Republic case...but as I reread the game's premise, I realize that it would mean he's working against the Republic in some cases. Hee hee. That wouldn't be terrible. Remember that while Jedi aid the Republic, they'll also do what's necessary to thwart the Sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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