opnet [OpNet] Hero?

[Wakinyan]

Are we even allowed to be? Is there any?

We automatically assume a Hero is the person who fights on our side and the villian is who fights against him.

Anymore I have to think the difference between Hero and Villian are simply academic.

[Neil Preston]

I believe in Heroes and Heroines. Choices might not always be clear cut, but when we chose to save lives, cause no harm to others, and to improve the lives of others we are acting heroicly. The more we cleave to these actions, the more of a hero we are.

And yes, I realize that sometimes those goals can conflict with one another. Life ain't easy, and this ain't no comic book.

[Tommy Tomorrow]

To understand the difference between heroes and villains, is to understand their motivations and what means they're willing to use to accomplish their ends. That's why there are so few that begin as heroes and stay heroes. Not everyone can resist the temptations.

[Splitmind]

I don't like Team Tomorrow. Or Utopia. I think that though they have admirable aims, their ultimate effect will not be a positive one unless the group changes drastically, and many of them are not perceptive enough to realize this.

However, there are heroes among Utopia. The board's Doctor Troll I actually consider heroic, since he has developed his naturally-destructive powers into something wonderful. I consider your own ability to take responsibility for your actions heroic, even if those actions themselves were nothing of the sort. Heroism is less about sides in my opinion, and more about what you do for the sake of your beliefs.

[z-Carver]

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Originally posted by Splitmind:
Heroism is less about sides in my opinion, and more about what you do for the sake of your beliefs.

I agree with you there, Splitmind: I believe that heroes are people who do the right thing regardless of the personal cost to themselves. Of course, the right thing is subjective to each person; I'm sure that the vigilante Black Lotus thinks that he's doing the right thing regardless of personal cost to himself. In his own mind, I'm sure he's a hero. The rest of us call him villian...

[Wakinyan]

Hero or villian I think Lotus is just over his/her head. I hope they do not drown.

[z-Carver]

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Originally posted by Wakinyan:
Hero or villian I think Lotus is just over his/her head. I hope they do not drown.

I wouldn't underestimate Black Lotus. He - and believe me, he is a he - is far more capable than he would have others believe. And far, far more... interesting than I had imagined.

In any case, he seems to believe that he is doing the right thing. Or at least, that is what I believe from the analysis I have done of done of him.

[Amped]

Awww, Wakinyan, thanks for the sentiment. Carver, you're not so shabby yourself, I can't wait for another opportunity to spar with you.

[z-Carver]

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Originally posted by Black Lotus:
Awww, Wakinyan, thanks for the sentiment. Carver, you're not so shabby yourself, I can't wait for another opportunity to spar with you.

Name a time and place, babe, and I'll be there. Of course, if you post it here, we'll have company, so you'd better keep it private. I'll be waiting to hear from you...

[Wakinyan]

No offense Carver but just because he kept up with you doesn't mean he is going to keep his head above the water in this game he is playing.

Just think of how many times you have been in the hospital since last May. I bet it outnumbers the amount you had been in one in the past 5 years. Add that to the fact that you were not out looking for trouble like he is and you can see he really is a dead man walking.

All it is going to take is someone like Charr, Deathsquad or Epoch and the boy wonder is going to be six feet under.

No offense Lotus but unless you are Jager, Ronin or some other big boy with a new hobby I see you dying very soon unless you hang up the cowl.

[z-Carver]

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Originally posted by Wakinyan:
Just think of how many times you have been in the hospital since last May. I bet it outnumbers the amount you had been in one in the past 5 years. Add that to the fact that you were not out looking for trouble like he is and you can see he really is a dead man walking.

All it is going to take is someone like Charr, Deathsquad or Epoch and the boy wonder is going to be six feet under.

And I don't seem to recall you having the chance to assess his abilities - ever. I was there, I fought him - both dormed and undormed, the latter of which is damned gutsy, I might add - and I know what he's capable of. Can he take the people you've mentioned? No, but that's not my point. My point is that he's more capable than he let on.

He might even be able to take you one-on-one, Wakinyan.

Wait... never mind. I'm not supposed to defend a vigilante... even such a cute one. Call me, BL!

[Wakinyan]

I am very used to being taken one on one Carver so dont worry about the pin in my inflated ego it was deflated awhile back.

[Amped]

Thanks for the opinions Wakinyan, I can't believe I'm so blessed to be gifted by some of that infinite wisdom that just overflows from you. Oh wait, I'm thinking of the Nova that didn't start a huge fight in the middle of Chicago injuring and killing several people.

I'll take some advice when somebody known for good decisions gives it to me, not from some brat that has a history of tantrums.

[Wakinyan]

Sure lotus. Didn't you mention killing me at one point for that little incident?

[Amped]

I mentioned you should be put down, though I never claimed to be the one that was going to do it, or did I say I would have any involvement. You're too high profile for my tastes anyway.

[Neil Preston]

Black Lotus, let me make this very clear. Wakinyan is not alone. Something happens to him and I will make bringing those responsible down my personal business.

[Sam Grey]

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Originally posted by Neil Preston:
Black Lotus, let me make this very clear. Wakinyan is not alone. Something happens to him and I will make bringing those responsible down my personal business.

Careful, kid, no one is a saint forever. The furball always talks about his li'l urges getting to be took much... what happens when he can't hold it back and he starts randomly destroying and killing? When you can't solve the problem?

That might happen one day, kid... I sure as shit hope you get it.

[Pilot]

What is happening to Mr. Wakinyan is very sad. Do many of you think he is a lost cause? I mean is it likely someone like Mr. Lotus is going to try and "put him down" soon? It seems like a big waste to me.

[The White Rat]

Hero - Someone who acts for the benefit of others at a cost to their own well being.

Villain - Someone who acts for their own benefit without concern for the welfare of others.

Wakinyan, you are neither 100% villain or 100%hero. Instead, like most of us, you fall somewhere between both extremes.

[Wakinyan]

Sure Sam I might lose it someday. But I don't like the idea of having an "Old Yeller" plan prepared for me.

Rat I have to wonder what did you think you where doing? Helping a small percentage and harm a greater one? I am not judging I just wait for your thoughts on why what was done was done. As well as who you have involved yourself with since.

[Sam Grey]

There's an "Old Yeller" plan for us all, furball, never doubt that. Police an' other peacekeepers have been able to use "lethal force" long before either of us came around.

[Wakinyan]

Well... That is comforting..

[Edward]

I try to be a hero.

I fear I fall far short, but I try.

[Tommy Tomorrow]

If you look in this thread there's an insight into the nature of heroism and villainy.

Motivations and methods.

[The White Rat]

Wakinyan, I never claimed that I was a hero. I tend towards the other side, only because it suits my machinations at this point in time.

Since I last saw you Wakinyan, I have been training very hard and learning about the virtues of taint. Hopefully, when we meet again, I can get into more detail. Since I am still a hunted Nova, I have to keep the particulars to a minimum.

[Wakinyan]

We will talk again soon Little Rat.

I am not mad at you for what happened. Just your associates.

[Edward]

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Originally posted by The White Rat:
I have been training very hard and learning about the virtues of taint. Hopefully, when we meet again, I can get into more detail. Since I am still a hunted Nova, I have to keep the particulars to a minimum.

How can anything called "Taint" be virtuous.

And what have you done to cause you to be hunted? Are you a bad nova?

[Sakurako Hino]

One man's Hero is another's Villain. You have to remember that.

While I have tried to be a constructionist, and build a better place than just talk about it, I'm sure I've become a villain to many folk, and a rival to others.

But really, to be a Hero you have to be outstanding when doing something.

But, one time someone told me, it's better to be alive, than to be a hero. Because they only give medals posthumously to heros.

[Y.T.]

Heroes get people dead.

[Ghostwriter]

They also save people.

[Y.T.]

And how many people saved make up for one lost?

[Lemmy Chillmeister]

Hmmmm, that would probably be two, wouldn't it?

[Y.T.]

And the sage has spoken once more.You may say saving two people and letting one die is a good deal. In many ways it is but in the way of the hero, that one person lost is often one person that would not have been killed if things were done the right way.

So, you can save all the people you want with all the luck you got, you just have to tell the loved ones of those you couldn't save that it just wasn't their day. I know that what heroes do is like what I and many others do. Indeed Heroes do many things like fire fighters, and police, they also act terrorists. Should we be heroes? No. Should we let others be heroes? No. Heroes get people dead and that is even when they are doing their best.

That being said heroic acts are sometimes needed but only on case by cases basis and so sparse that only those actively looking for those cases would ever find enough to be called a Hero. Those people that do so are the ones you shouldn't want to meddle in life and death.

[Sandcaster]

You have issues, Y.T., and precious little understanding of the definition of "hero". I recommend a therapist and a dictionary.

[Stormwarden]

Is what it takes to be a hero subjective?

Greetings everyone.

[Wakinyan]

Both sides can have a Hero so I would say yes. And welcome Stormwarden.

[Tommy Tomorrow]

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Originally posted by Stormwarden:
Is what it takes to be a hero subjective?

I would say yes and no.

But then I don't think being a hero has anything to do with sides.

[Harold 'Mythic' Anderson]

I thought heroes are the ones who always try to do the right thing... or protect those who cannot protect themselves...

[Wakinyan]

The right thing is correct. But who's point of view is the right thing?

[Tommy Tomorrow]

I've noticed something. These discussions seem to involve two types of exchanges. There are those that already agree with each other, at least on the assumptions, so essentially they're just elaborating on their shared beliefs. Then there are those that blatantly attack the belief system of the first group without actually adding anything.