Y.T. Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Yesterday I was in a dive bar.I like dive bars. You know the bars that are holes in the wall, maybe ten stools, a table or two, one with a Jute box. One where you tell 'em you want a beer and you get one. You don't go looking brands cause they don't got any you would know. Now, I don't keep it to much of a secret where I'll be when I know nothing big is looking for trouble with me. Lately this boy has set his eyes on me, thinking taking me out will make him a name by taking me out. This ain't that big of a deal it is just a bother. So he finds me in one my watering holes outside of Monaco. He tries to sneak up on me, and I let him think he has done so. When he is about to make his moves. I think he was trying to get my sword and kill me with it. It doesn't much mater cause I got him up by the throat before he could, my claws out and his blood pooling around the tips.I look into his eyes,and with what I knew about him, he was just a kid. I know I have killed children before. I just didn't want to kill this one. So I pulled my claws back and threw him into the ground. Told him firm that he best leave now before I got mad. He didn't, wasn't getting his head that I could have legally killed him. He stands up and takes a swing a me with his fist. I was it coming,and could see that fist could have broken more than a few bones if it hit me. It didn't. I extended my claws again and cut his arm in half. he got the message then.Why do novas fee the need to enter fights they clearly can't win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakinyan Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Cuz the pain of being broken helps you understand that all this is just a big fucking game. The pain is the only thing that is real. I would guess he knows that now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singularity Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 I've experienced similar situations before and it can really get frustrating at times.Might I suggest a fighting form that's less destructive, Y.T.? Or perhaps just letting the kids bounce off of you until they learn it just doesn't work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y.T. Posted September 2, 2005 Author Share Posted September 2, 2005 I let him live and the only none maiming actions I could have taken that would have any notice effect would have caused damage objects may have likely caused harm to others. Now I am tougher than a tank, his fist could have hurt me, or at least cause damage to the area around me.I am not as tough as most of those who practice our trade, that again is not saying I am soft. It is just the truth. I mainly use speed and other means to win fights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 You cut the guy's arm in half and you are offering to train people? Okay. I guess I use a different standard for lesson giving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y.T. Posted September 2, 2005 Author Share Posted September 2, 2005 He was trying to kill me. He was actively trying to end my life and the throwing of him a few matters into bed rock did not slow him down. I am sorry,I guess I should have thrown him about the city and see how many busted walls,cars and bodies it would take to get the message across that I was not a wise target. Jager, I would train in a harsh way, but I wasn't training this man. I was solving a problem with the least amount of damage to the city and people around me. If my actions maimed on person it is because any other actions I could have done to end this problem would have killed an unknown number of people. That number of people would have most likely have been greater than 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Glad to know avoidance was not seriously considered.We have different standards and expectations of ourselves, I guess. If you felt your only options were to maim, or kill ... in a crowed, public place ... so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singularity Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 You might want to look into hapkido, aikido, judo, or any number of the police (military and civilian) subdual techniques, Y.T., there are plenty of ways to subdue an attacker without dismembering them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y.T. Posted September 3, 2005 Author Share Posted September 3, 2005 First off, Jager I do not let others decide what my actions are. I live with the results of my actions. It is true I could have advoided him there. I could have slipped out from under his nose. I do that very well, but in doing so I would just delay the problem. He found me once. What is to say he couldn't find me again? Should I live under a rock?Singularity, I did not see a hold witch I could do hat would not expose me or the public to undo harm. In the end I wanted to end it as soon as I could.Was it the nicest way? No. Was in nicer than I could have been? Yes. There are ways to get his arm back. If he comes after me again I will no be so kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandcaster Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Apparently, Y.T., you've never heard of even the simple (and potentially harmful) "full nelson," let alone of using the pressure point directly behind the ear or any of a broad assortment of other methods of hand-to-hand restraint that would have contained the threat to both you and the public. Mind you, I'm just a lowly municipal defender and school teacher, rather than one of the (self-billed) top Elites on the planet. But I can only suppose that, for whatever reason, the only contracts you take are of the "eliminate the target" variety, as your "bring 'em back alive" skills seem to be lacking.I would recommend to you Humane Pressure Point Self-Defense: Dillman Pressure Point Method for Law Enforcement, Medical Personnel, Business Professionals, Men and Women, by George Dillman and Chris Thomas, as a good primer in these techniques. You will want the 2011 revision, as it goes into some detail on overcoming nova-modified pressue point locations for the most commonly encountered alterations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y.T. Posted September 3, 2005 Author Share Posted September 3, 2005 Sandcaster, how many hostile novas have you been forced to deal with in life threatening encounters? How many grappling moves can you think of that would restrain someone who can fly,teleport and or shape shift?Pressure points don't work on all novas. I don't feel pain same way most people do. Many combative novas are the same way. Pinching and pushing on nerve clusters may stop me from fighting but for the most part damaging the nerve clusters that would stop me from fighting would be more anti social than cutting my arm off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptesan-Wi Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 This is just a very strange discussion. That's all I have to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandcaster Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Y.T.: Over the dozen years that I was the municipal defender for Long Island City, I dealt with literally thousands of life-threatening encounters. While most of these involved baselines, there were many instances where novas were the perpetrators. And in none of them did I resort to lopping off an arm.Yes, many novas can fly. Quite a few can shapeshift. Some can teleport. But not all, by any stretch of the imagination...and you've given no indication that this young nova in Monaco could do any of the above. But still, you cut off his arm.Mind you, pressure points and other non-lethal holds will work just fine on a flight-capable nova -- if they fight through the hold and take you airborne, just hold on, and let them find out what being a cushion is like when they land. With shape-shifters, it gets more complex, but you'll find that the various points of interest usually translate over into the new form. Teleporters are a pain in the neck, but more often than not you can keep them from concentrating with application of enough non-lethal pain in the right place...long enough to give them a nice dose of mox, if need be.You may be a fine hand at killing people, Y.T., but you haven't a clue how to deal with them any other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold 'Mythic' Anderson Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 I'm sorry, YT, maybe me learning from you isn't a good idea... I mean, I'm not supposed to be killing people or cutting of limbs and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y.T. Posted September 3, 2005 Author Share Posted September 3, 2005 Quote:Originally posted by Sandcaster: Y.T.: and you've given no indication that this young nova in Monaco could do any of the above. But still, you cut off his arm.You may be a fine hand at killing people, Y.T., but you haven't a clue how to deal with them any other way. And what if he could do any of those things? Would you be praising me on the fact I tired to restrain him peacefully at the cost of a dozen lives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandcaster Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 No I would not, Y.T., because you never made the effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 Sandcaster, they are people out in the world who think maiming somebody is making a valid point. She could have killed him, but frankly didn't seem to consider him enough of a threat to warrant that. Instead she crippled and humilated him.YT is not alone in that personality type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandcaster Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 Well, goody for Y.T. and the others of that personality type. That doesn't mean that I'm going to give it a pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singularity Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 Some people believe in only making a choice between maiming and death, Sandcaster. And others have chosen to leave that scheme behind too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarjei 'Nemesis' Sigurdardottir Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 For nova be only elite is muchly difficult. Great pressure building. Only victory is matter. Only win can enough important. Is not meaning YT made bad choice but see her defending choice instead accept. Little nova attack bigger nova. Little nova find find bigger nova have no patience for game. Little nova have much time to think on this while heal. Is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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