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Rough Terrain for Nova Biopic

Repeated attempts by director André Fokker to make a film based upon the

life of Hiram "Slag" Goldberg have been met with resistance by the deceased

nova's family. While Fokker has been quoted as saying that the Tomorrowite's

death is "an important moment in our history following N-Day," Goldberg's

family insists that their son's death has been sensationalized enough by the

media and wishes that it not be turned into further money-making

entertainment. A statement released today by Team Tomorrow member Shadow

Artist defends the family's wishes.

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Protests Planned for Former T2Mer

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Several organizations have promised to protest an upcoming appearance by

former Team Tomorrow member Violette "V" D'Aronique at Vassar on September

4th, including members of the Alumni, the faculty, and the student body. A

transcript of the speech given by Ms. D'Aronique last month at has been

circulating the OpNet, and some are concerned that the nova's call for a

transhumanist movement, especially in the government, is little more than an

attempt to make the Null Manifesto more attractive to an already

Teragen-fascinated American youth culture.

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Extreme Novacentric Gameshow in the Works

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FOX TV has announced plans for a Fear-Factoresque reality-show where

contestants are competing for the top prize of a Rashoud Facility

administered Latency Testing. Those chosen to compete will endure

high-thrill stunts and situations that might induce an eruption. The

producers insist that though they aren't attempting to do that, it would

fascinating if one could be caught on tape during the show's production.

"What we're really after," Fox executive Keisha Muchilwa said, "is to see

what lengths people will go to simply for the chance to find out if they

could become a nova."

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[Good Alice]

Am I going to protest Violette "V" D'Aronique? No. I have to work on a damn. I do think people should protest her. Seeing as not everyone agree with that message people should voice what they think, as long it is done in a peaceful and legal way. Her rights to say what she wants to say is also mine and everyone in the country.

From what i have gathered about her she is an extremist and a bigot. She wishes for nova to have an active role in government and on that I agree. I also agree that they should come into that power in a legal and fair way. Here is my problem with her goals she seems to want those novas to be transhumanist. She seems to say that non-transhumanist novas in political offices do not count.

So, D'Aronique you can have your Chosen people in power. It just as reasonable as saying we should only have men or women in political office.

Now that said, I do not hate her. I have better things to do than waste my time hating someone who however misguided is trying to make a better world with peaceful means. I can't say that I know her personally, so I can't say if she and I could be friends, I can say this. Her views on politics wile they could hinder a friendship between us, they do not bar one.

[David 'Dr. Troll' Smith]

Rough Terrain for Nova Biopic

… I have mixed feelings.

Protests Planned for Former T2Mer

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Does anyone know what the Teragen thinks about V? (Yes, I know, Other than; no official stance and all that).

RE: Extreme Novacentric Gameshow in the Works

Interesting, and perhaps smart, of them to not simply do this on latents.

[billy Horrorshow]

Man, Fox being behind the times is News? Jesus.

Though it is fun seeing the Industry's response to EspN!'s Jorge Bound erupting on live television. Still, I don't know how I feel about crap like this: "Eat lots of Tacks and see if you Erupt" just seems too easy a stretch.

Still with shows like "Celebrity Merc", "DeathRace 3000", and the like being around, I'm curious to see how a non-nova but novacentric show is going to do. Personally I really hate that Penn & Teller's "Choke on a Node" only lasted one season. There really needs to be more television satirizing the whole "Cult of the Node" thing that's going on.

-billy

PS: Did N! News fire their editor or is that the new trendy way to spell Bulletins? I'm all for updating the English language, particularly after the spelling of the word "celebrity" started being spelled n-o-v-a. :sigh:

[Violette 'V' D'Aronique]

From what i have gathered about her she is an extremist and a bigot. She wishes for nova to have an active role in government and on that I agree. I also agree that they should come into that power in a legal and fair way. Here is my problem with her goals she seems to want those novas to be transhumanist. She seems to say that non-transhumanist novas in political offices do not count.

Well, Alice, it's not that they don't count. It's that they are saying they speak for me, when they aren't. They aren't my representatives. They do count for the views they chose to hold though. So when someone tells me to stop complaining because novas are in the government, I have to explain this all over again.

[Good Alice]

And what if all the novas in government were stepping in line with your views? What would you say to novas who do not think the same,and feel as if their views were not being represented?

Better yet, should you say that governmental bodies should represent each and every fringe group? Does any government do that? Would you even want one to that?

Looking at the number of novas, you will notice that there are less Novas any the world than there are Jewish people in just about any major city in the US. Not all Jewish people take their religion in the same way. Some Jewish people do not believe in God. Still, how many Jews have been the head of any country, out side of Israel?

I used Jews not because I think they are right or wrong, but because how people tend to view them. You can be Jewish three ways, you can convert, have a Jewish mother, or have a Jewish mother and believe in the Jewish God. In this way they are like novas. You are born a nova, or rather you are born with the ability to erupt. We can't convert people into novas,at least not that I am aware of. Once you erupt you are a nova. If you have or have a lack therefore of religious or philosophical views based on this, you are no more or less a nova. To bicker over fitness to be represented by a nova who thinks differently is just as ridiculous as a saying that Christian or Atheist cannot respect or represent a Jew.

Then again if you really think that your religion ( Or do you call it a philosophy? ) needs people in government to sway the world to your views, by all means run for office.

[Preston]

I read the transcript. What was the big deal about it?

If we are reduced, as a public, to protesting a bit of free speech, it is a sad commentary on our times.

So, she thinks she is not human? I do not think I am human. I am a nova. I have already said as much. I still get up everyday and do my job. I am not going anywhere, and as far as I know, neither is Ms. D'Aronique.

There is an alternative to the Teragen for those who feel this way. It is called "Doing it Yourself."

[Violette 'V' D'Aronique]

Let me see if I'm understanding you correctly, Alice. You're comparing nova and baseline to religion? That there's essentially no difference between nova and baseline as there is no difference between Christian, Jew, and Atheist?

Better yet, should you say that governmental bodies should represent each and every fringe group? Does any government do that? Would you even want one to that?

I knew you'd bring this up. The simple answer is we're not a fringe group. We're capable of things the human species is not. We're not human, and we're never going to be human. Comparing this state of being to religion or belief doesn't hold water. When you get right down to it, the difference between Christian and Atheist is a matter of faith, but strip that away from the two people in the comparison and they are basically the same. Their faith might change their outlook and motivations, but they're the same basic people with different ideologies.

Strip me and my high school math teacher of our religious beliefs, and you're left with one person who is like the other 99.9% of the planet, and the other who can go to nearly any location on the planet in matter of seconds, who can become physically substanceless, who can change the flow of electrical currents on power grids or stop it entirely, alter the course of lightning, change her physical form at the cellular level, and numerous other abilities the other 99.9% can't do.

We're not a fringe group based on belief or perspective, Alice.

And what if all the novas in government were stepping in line with your views? What would you say to novas who do not think the same,and feel as if their views were not being represented?

Well, Ms Questions, how about you answer that one for me? You know, since you seem to know exactly what I'm thinking and where my interests rest. You can save us all the time in the world but just telling them what I think. I'm getting the hint that you're driving along at a point you'd like to nail home, and I'm honestly tired of playing that kind of forum he said/she said. If you have something to say, please say it, but don't wave some unrevealed trump card about like you're just waiting for the right moment to play it.

[Violette 'V' D'Aronique]

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Originally posted by Preston:
I read the transcript. What was the big deal about it?
If we are reduced, as a public, to protesting a bit of free speech, it is a sad commentary on our times.
So, she thinks she is not human? I do not think I am human. I am a nova. I have already said as much. I still get up everyday and do my job. I am not going anywhere, and as far as I know, neither is Ms. D'Aronique.
There is an alternative to the Teragen for those who feel this way. It is called "Doing it Yourself."

Thanks, Preston.

[Good Alice]

Quote:

Originally posted by Preston:
I read the transcript. What was the big deal about it?
If we are reduced, as a public, to protesting a bit of free speech, it is a sad commentary on our times.
So, she thinks she is not human? I do not think I am human. I am a nova. I have already said as much. I still get up everyday and do my job. I am not going anywhere, and as far as I know, neither is Ms. D'Aronique.
There is an alternative to the Teragen for those who feel this way. It is called "Doing it Yourself."

And if you think she has the right say her mind, why not the protesters?

[David 'Dr. Troll' Smith]

Well, that was interesting. As much as anyone likes hearing their own name, after I get out of the hospital I predict yet another meeting with my supervisor.

Sorry I didn't catch the speech live (not even by proxy), I'm been busy. How did people take it? Was there a crowd?

[Ashnod]

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Originally posted by David 'Dr. Troll' Smith:


Does anyone know what the Teragen thinks about V? (Yes, I know, Other than; no official stance and all that).

We have an official unofficial opinion, but since it is deeply saturated in Teras prophecy, I am unable to divulge it publicly.

[Singularity]

Quote:

Originally posted by Ashnod:
We have an official unofficial opinion, but since it is deeply saturated in Teras prophecy, I am unable to divulge it publicly.

Thanks, Ashnod, a good belly laugh in the morning is always nice.

[Preston]

Good Alice, they are protesting two very stupid thing.

One is that we, as novas, are not human beings. It is blindingly obvious to anyone who uses their node as anything besides a tumor displacing brain space.

Two is that they are protesting someone declaring themselves to be different. It should be of no concern to anyone but her. If they disagree, big hairy deal. They are certainly allowed their delusion under their own freedom of speech and privacy. It is the stupidity of believing that the rest of us would hold their views to be relevant in any manner.

Ms. D'Aronique knows she is a nova. She has made no declaration beyond that she is not a human being, thus a body ignored by the UN Convention of Human Rights and the Zurich Accords. The status of novas in society is something that needs to be addressed.

Good Alice, you and I look pretty much like human beings. Not every nova is like that. Since they look different from the human norm, what is their legal status, or are you going to argue they are human beings with feathers, tails, tentacles, chitinous, and/or amorphous?

[Good Alice]

Preston, you are a reasonable man on many levels, this is not one of them.

[Sandcaster]

I just know I'm going to regret this....

It is altogether possible that novas are not members of Homo sapiens sapiens. While my line of work until very recently was as a science teacher, I won't pretend to know the answer to that scientific question for certain, but I do know that it is possible. The interbreeding issue really isn't an issue, as any evolutionary biologist would be able to explain.

That said, it doesn't matter, at least not outside of the medical and scientific fields. While novas may or may not be human in the strictest sense of the word, we are most certainly people. We have a common cultural heritage with non-novas, we have the same range of emotions – and emotional problems – as they do, and perhaps more to the point, novas and non-novas share the distinction of being the dominant sentient life on this planet.

Were the UN Convention of Human Rights and the Zurich Accords in error to call us human? Perhaps, but if so, only in the most pedantic manner; it’s a matter of semantics. We are all people, and that is what really counts. We need to learn to live together – not as novas and baselines, not as humans and the Teragen’s “One Race”, but simply as people.

[Lee Jones]

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Originally posted by Sandcaster:
We are all people, and that is what really counts. We need to learn to live together – not as novas and baselines, not as humans and the Teragen’s “One Race”, but simply as people.

Thank you. I couldn't agree more.

I make no secret about my agreement that novas and baselines are the same species. But I do recognize other peoples desire to categorize themselves as something else. I'll respect both sides, as long as they respect me.

[David 'Dr. Troll' Smith]

Dr. Troll’s rebuttal to V: (Written without the permission of Utopia, or even Dr. Troll, this is just how I feel)

All people are human. If chimps suddenly gained sentience, they'd be human too. This is because "human" has no scientific definition. Its definition is set by politics. When we say, "that isn't human" it's because we don't want to give them rights. This is true whether we talk about the very badly brain damaged, to extreme birth defects, to novas.

I think it’s dangerous for someone to say, "I'm not human". I'm not a big fan of the "slippery slope" argument.... but I think here it might have merits. I think what V is trying to say is "I'm very different in mind and body from any baseline".

Whether V is also very different from most or all novas is a different issue, but one I think worth mentioning. It is claimed the thing that unites us novas is how different we are from baselines. But as different as we are from baselines, we are even more different from each other. Without baselines to give us a base, or a center, (or even an opposition if you are Terat), I don’t see what if anything would unite us, and a collection of dissimilar creatures is not a species.

[Ashnod]

While novas may or may not be human in the strictest sense of the word, we are most certainly people.

I prefer the ideology of "fellow sentients" rather than the word "people," but I believe the sentiment is the same.

All people are human. If chimps suddenly gained sentience, they'd be human too. This is because "human" has no scientific definition. Its definition is set by politics. When we say, "that isn't human" it's because we don't want to give them rights. This is true whether we talk about the very badly brain damaged, to extreme birth defects, to novas.

If all that is required is sentience, why was the Zurich Accord needed? The existence of nova sentience was never in doubt.

[Brother Jacob]

While you may wear the skins of man, what is within is a Demon servant of the great Deceiver. Repent, I plead to you; cast out your Demon and open your heart to the Redeemer, our Lord Jesus Christ. Only by this will you be saved from an eternal torment in Hell, where not one drop of water will be found to touch your parched lips.

[Anna 'Quanta' Alameda]

Quote:

Originally posted by Brother Jacob:
While you may wear the skins of man, what is within is a Demon servant of the great Deceiver. Repent, I plead to you; cast out your Demon and open your heart to the Redeemer, our Lord Jesus Christ. Only by this will you be saved from an eternal torment in Hell, where not one drop of water will be found to touch your parched lips.

Fuck you.

Where was your God in Ibiza?

[Ulysses Bailey]

Quote:

Originally posted by Ashnod:
If all that is required is sentience, why was the Zurich Accord needed? The existence of nova sentience was never in doubt.

Pre-existing governments and laws are the reason why the Zurich Accord was needed. If novas had been declared not to be beings deserving the same protections that humans had already enjoyed then there would have been no internal or external structure to stop the nations of the world from justifying their abuse and enslavement of all novas. We novas may be organized enough now to prevent that from ever happening, but we were few and anything but organized when the Accord was signed. If anything, the Accord prevented (or forestalled, depending on your point of view) a conflict between baselines and novas. It was a band-aid, so to say.

Whether or not it has fulfilled its usefulness now is a greatly contested matter of opinion.

[Ashnod]

If novas had been declared not to be beings deserving the same protections that humans had already enjoyed then there would have been no internal or external structure to stop the nations of the world from justifying their abuse and enslavement of all novas.

And compare that against:

All people are human. If chimps suddenly gained sentience, they'd be human too. This is because "human" has no scientific definition. Its definition is set by politics. When we say, "that isn't human" it's because we don't want to give them rights. This is true whether we talk about the very badly brain damaged, to extreme birth defects, to novas.

One argument says that novas are "people" and "people" are "human." This argument says "human" has no scientific definition.

The other says that the status of "human" is something that is meaningless save for the rights and protections that label enables.

What I am getting, Mr. Bailey, is that Dr. Smith is saying that in a sense, it should be obvious that novas are "people" because they are sentient, just as a sentient chimp would be.

However, the issue of nova sentience is non-existent. So other qualifiers had to go into consideration in granted the term "human" to novas during the Zurich Accord's creation.

For those not old enough to remember, which I say not as an accusation but merely the fact that we have a fairly young core base here, the time did exist when "humanity" debated the issue of whether or not novas were "human." It was not something accepted as though common sense and then forgotten. Four months passed between N-Day and the Zurich Accord. While history will tell us it was passed with little resistance, until the Zurich Accord was released, a very tangible air of panic existed throughout much of the world.

It is certainly a "warm and fuzzy" sentiment to say "novas are human like us" but it is a fallacy, and it was certainly something that continues to be rehashed to this day. And it keeps getting rehashed because subconsciously both sides recognize the fallacy.

[David 'Dr. Troll' Smith]

Ashnod: If all that is required is sentience, why was the Zurich Accord needed? The existence of nova sentience was never in doubt.

The issue wasn’t one of sentience. The issue was what was going to be the reaction of the old race to the new. Before novas all sentient creatures on the planet were members of the same race. Now all of a sudden there were two. So the question was raised, “Are the newcomers human or not”? Do we apply the rights of humanity to all sentients, or just our own race?

The Zurich Accord decided the new sentient species should get all the rights as the old one. So if a nova is murdered then the appropriate people to call are the police and not SPCA (Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals).

(Yes, I know this isn’t exactly correct. Perhaps as recently as 20,000 years ago we may have shared the planet with other sentient races, Neanderthals etc, but that predates written history and codified law. Whatever we decided then, we have since forgotten. Evidence seems to show the result of two sentient races was NOT a race war.)

Ashnod: It is certainly a "warm and fuzzy" sentiment to say "novas are human like us" but it is a fallacy, and it was certainly something that continues to be rehashed to this day. And it keeps getting rehashed because subconsciously both sides recognize the fallacy.

A point, but only a small one. We are not “human like them”, but we are “human like us”.

Thought Experiment: If you put V and I in the same room, what would we talk about? Powers? Our powers have nothing in common. I know this, so does she. She can’t teach me about manipulating or sensing electrons. More than likely, we’d talk about Politics (her stance), History (what has happened to Utopia since she left, what she & I have been up to), & Sex (who is sleeping with whom, and who has kids).

So, how is this different than how two baselines would interact?

[Violette 'V' D'Aronique]

Sorry I didn't catch the speech live (not even by proxy), I'm been busy. How did people take it? Was there a crowd?

Well, it wasn't televised. I'm sure there are some recordings of it out there. I saw a lot of cameras.

It was a pretty good crowd, which I'm happy for. I didn't want to waste the university's time and money to speak to an empty theatre.

Most of the questions asked after I finished were more about how I came to this point in my life rather than what I had to say, which I'll admit was disappointing. It's probably a fair bet that nothing I'm suggesting will ever come to pass, so they probably didn't see the need to question me on it. But I can already tell that I'm going to be sick of the "How did you go from respected Utopian to 'your friendly neighborhood Terat' so quickly" questions.

Thought Experiment: If you put V and I in the same room, what would we talk about? Our powers have nothing in common. I know this, so does she. She can’t teach me about manipulating or sensing electrons. Actually, not knowing you personally, I would ask about your quantum expression. It's interesting to me to learn how other novas visual and feel their expressions. I can't imagine talking sex with you, no offense, and I again, not knowing you personally, I honestly don't care what you've been up to.

But I can already tell you that our interactions would be different than two baselines speaking, or a nova and a baseline speaking.

[Ulysses Bailey]

Quote:

Originally posted by Ashnod:
For those not old enough to remember, which I say not as an accusation but merely the fact that we have a fairly young core base here, the time did exist when "humanity" debated the issue of whether or not novas were "human." It was not something accepted as though common sense and then forgotten. Four months passed between N-Day and the Zurich Accord. While history will tell us it was passed with little resistance, until the Zurich Accord was released, a very tangible air of panic existed throughout much of the world.

I'm not really pushing an agenda here, but you've highlighted the history I was pointing out. What I was trying to add to the discussion is that, despite the terminology and philosophy driving the disparate views of it, the Zurich Accord served a very practical purpose at a critical time. I know you remember what happen, however others do not remember or do not understand that it did have some positive aspects when viewed pragmatically.

Whether or not it should continue, however, is not a topic I wish to engage in here just yet.

[Y.T.]

Now it is not my place or call to say if novas are human or not. I honestly couldn't care either way, but in the past the color of your skin, religion, place of birth, gender or many other things have made you human or not human. So when saying some is not human please read up on history you mat learn a thing or two.

[David 'Dr. Troll' Smith]

Violette 'V' D'Aronique: I honestly don't care what you've been up to.

No? I like to think I’m less boring in person. I guess everyone is the center of their own universe.

Violette 'V' D'Aronique: I can't imagine talking sex with you…

What, no interest in which of your former team mates is getting married, or thinking about the same? I should have said sports.

Violette 'V' D'Aronique: But I can already tell you that our interactions would be different than two baselines speaking, or a nova and a baseline speaking.

Ignoring the part about us talking about our quantum expressions, how would we be different than two baselines? (A baseline and nova I’ll grant, especially if I’m green).

[Lee Jones]

Quote:

Originally posted by Violette 'V' D'Aronique:
But I can already tell you that our interactions would be different than two baselines speaking, or a nova and a baseline speaking.

Really? Every interaction that I've had or observed with baseline participants hasn't really been all that different then novas. Sure baselines don't really talk about what it's like to shoot lazer beams out of their eyes, but deep down the conversations are the same.

Maybe we look at it differently? Which is good.

I'd like to weigh in on the Novas as Homo sapiens topic, but this probably isn't the place. I'll wait or start another topic or something. For now I'll let the philisophical "What is human" topic develop.

[Great Monster C]

Lee, you need to talk with more novas then. Or at least pay better attention. Some of us, many of us seem to just radiate socially distorting auras. We see more and detect more about the person we're listening too and catch clues that would have been missed by Columbo.

Heck, some of us can talk without talking. And I'm not refering to psionic type gifts either.

Hi everyone, I'm back.

[Lee Jones]

Lee, you need to talk with more novas then. Or at least pay better attention.

I stated an opinion. An opinion that I formed after dedicating myself to a profession that is all about human (baseline and nova) interaction. I speak to people of all kinds and pay attention very well. You disagree that Novas and Baselines talk about the same thing? If that's your opinion then why don't you state it as such, instead of assuming that you know what I've experienced or that you know what I should do.

In another thread you made a comment about how Sex? Well, nice to see at least one subject has been added to the lazy suzan of "Are we human", "Look at me, I'm special" and "The Teragen/Utopia sucks". I'm sorry, but this is pretty much all I've ever heard anybody talk about...ever, baseline and nova alike. Sex, Attention, Definition of self, and hatred of things that aren't part of the group are pretty much the only things that anybody talks about. Everything we do is rooted in these concepts.

If you are of the opinion that your conversations with other Nova are different (better?) I won't stop you. In fact I'll applaud you for having an opinion and staying true to yourself. But don't sit there and think that it is the end all of human interaction. Don't sit there and think that what you know what I or anybody needs.

Some of us, many of us seem to just radiate socially distorting auras. We see more and detect more about the person we're listening too and catch clues that would have been missed by Columbo.

In this discussion the medium of the communication has nothing to do with the message contained within and thus, nothing to do with my comment.

Heck, some of us can talk without talking. And I'm not refering to psionic type gifts either.

I'm aware. I'm one of them.

[David 'Dr. Troll' Smith]

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Great Monster C:
Hi everyone, I'm back.

Welcome back GMC.

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Great Monster C:
Some of us...just radiate socially distorting auras.

I think that says more about us than it does about them. When I'm Green, people treat me like I’m big, intimidating, unstable, and violence prone. Of course all of that it true, but it is still annoying.

[Tarjei 'Nemesis' Sigurdardottir]

Is difference with nova and baseline. Some little. Some big. Is not important whether human or not inhuman.

Is important know what believe.

[Ulysses Bailey]

Quote:

Hi everyone, I'm back.

Great to have you back, Leonard. The management at that restaurant by the Hill is already wriggling their hands with glee over the notion of have two nova patrons again.

[kestrel404]

Quote:

Originally posted by Lee Jones:
I'm sorry, but this is pretty much all I've ever heard anybody talk about...ever, baseline and nova alike. Sex, Attention, Definition of self, and hatred of things that aren't part of the group are pretty much the only things that anybody talks about. Everything we do is rooted in these concepts.

If you are of the opinion that your conversations with other Nova are different (better?) I won't stop you. In fact I'll applaud you for having an opinion and staying true to yourself. But don't sit there and think that it is the end all of human interaction. Don't sit there and think that what you know what I or anybody needs.

Ah, an essentialist's argument. Yes, while it's technically true that you can shoehorn any conversation into one or more of these, by doing so you lose all the nuances behind the conversation's motivation.

Nothing happens in a vacuum. There are alwyas external factors, pressures from physical or social sources. As often as not, it is these pressures that dictate our actions rather than any internal differentiation.

If Dr. Troll and V are put into a room together, what would they talk about? Well, doesn't that depend on WHY they're in a room together, and who put them there? If they were both kidnapped and stuck in a room together, then they would obviously discuss escape. If they were forced there through social pressure (wait here for your turn at the podium...), they would either discuss the current social event, or they would not talk.

You can get similar behaviour from any socially aware species, from dogs to goldfish, given proper stimulus.

What would be an important question to answer is, could you find situations in which the conversations/choices/behaviours between Nova A and Nova B is significantly different from those you would get in a similar or identical situation between Baseline A and Baseline B, taking into account differences in their individuality. In other words, a social experiment where the actions of a Nova are inherently divergent from the actions of a Baseline.

The remainder of this argument is so old as to hold no interest. As has been hashed out in these forums innumerable times before, 'human' is too vague a term.

Oh, and Ms. D'Aronique, I read a transcript of the speech. Nicely said, and I agree with you on all of the major points. But I'm not so certain that the best way to accomplish these ends is through the established channels, as it were. No offense to GMC, but the established channel are far too easily corrupted. What is needed is more of a grass roots movement, and not just in the US, and not just among novas. But that's just my opinion.

[Violette 'V' D'Aronique]

Thanks, Alchemist.

Working on a reply for everyone else.

[Lee Jones]

Alchemist-I disagree that you loose the nuances behind the conversations motivation. I argue that these things are the motivations behind conversations. I also argue that these are the external and internal factors that dictate our actions.

An experiment to see if a novas actions are divergent from a baselines? Interesting. I don't think it's possible. I think that you could break their actions down to the lowest common denominator. On the surface their actions would be different, (ie Shooting a firebolt vs. Beating something with a club) the motivations behind the actions would be the same.

Which is my original point. Yes on the surface novas and baselines act/interact very differently, but the motivations/drive behind those things are the same.

[Jager]

Dr. Jones, there are some differences, socially, that I think are worth exploring.

Accountability - not that baseline humanity doesn't have its own problems with this, but with novas it is much more endemic. Essentially, we can, and often do get away with it.

Why? Because it is inherent in many of us to slip around normal societal restraints.

Thought-Deed - the difference between getting a club and wacking someone over the head with the intent to do bodily harm versus the ability to incinerate/pulverize someone at a glance.

Hit a baseline over the head with a chair, and (if possible), you can punch them back with a moral and legal okay.

Drop a chair on YT's head and she puts your body through the wall and your head through the ceiling.

Recognition - To become a doctoral fellow, I can either study for years (even if a prodigy), or I can pop a chubby in my brain and get it overnight. The evaluation of what is earned against what is inherited is changing.

Are the long term implications of these situations are worthy of discussion?

[Tarjei 'Nemesis' Sigurdardottir]

Quote:

Originally posted by Lee Jones:
Yes on the surface novas and baselines act/interact very differently, but the motivations/drive behind those things are the same.

Is limit of value.

Baseline make better razor for to cut hair from face. Nova make machine to suppress charge electric in proton of nucleus atom. Front-end motivation same muchly but back-end effect change all.

[Madison 'Vali' West]

Nemisis, using the English language properly is not that difficult for someone of your resources. If you can't take the time to learn it yourself, find any number of good software packages that are readily available.