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[OpNet] Time how it punishes.

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So it seems the popular subject at the moment. So I thought maybe we among us who have some sense or ability with it might discuss it. If for no other reason than enlightenment of our peers.

I see the past, present and future by visions. Most of the time (95% or so) I don't have choice in the matter.

The past tends to overwhelm me. Those long dead seem to hijack my other powers for some purpose. I might be doing it myself on some subconscious level which I would guess is likely.

The present I see things here and there. It could be there here and now it could be a short time in the past or future. But so little so it makes no difference really.

The future. You know the dream that is so real that you think it actually happened. It usually takes awhile for you to accept that it hasn't. That is what seeing the future is to me. What I see isn't as helpful as you might think.

In the end I never have real control as I would like. I would be playing the lotto or something if I did. Time plays me, I don't play it.

For those of you who would like to talk about your own experience please share. I am sure some of you will be cryptic, ominous and foreboding but share as you will.

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I can calculate, through several different variables the possibility of something happening. Usually though a couple hours meditating on the possibilities.

I could have a computer do it, but I can judge events better than a computer can.

Then again, things can be colored by point of view.

Nothing mystical about it, but it is a good mental exercise to help anticipate daily events, or at least be prepared for worst case scenarios.

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That's kinda my point. If a kid steals a car do you put him in big boy prison for 3-5? Nope. He goes to juvie unless he's some massive repeat offender. Why? Cuz he's a kid, he doesn't know as much about why boosting a car is bad. We expect an adult to know so you lock his ass up. You forgive the kid because you don't expect him to know as much and you bust the adult because you expect him to know more.

Just some thoughts.

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Except you are not a child. Your moral compass is already developed. It does not matter if your IQ is 80, or 180 and it does not matter if you have a node. We are only capable of doing the best we can with the abilities we possess. Why are you making the assumption that I am changing my ways now that another crisis has raised its ugly head?

I did the best I could with the situation considering what was available.

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This telling of the future is very interesting. A friend of a friend of mine has told me that I'm actually very difficult to read "temporally". I'm not sure what that means, but it seems that as I've tried my hardest to become unnoticable to both humans and novas that I've become unnoticable in a number of ways. Interesting.

Do any of you ever have a hard time pinning a particular person down?

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Except you are not a child. Your moral compass is already developed. It does not matter if your IQ is 80, or 180...
Doesn't it though? If you're not able to comprehend your transgressions doesn't the law cut you some slack? So, if one does not comprehend their errors in the same way that you understand your errors shouldn't they be cut some slack?
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Doesn't it though? If you're not able to comprehend your transgressions doesn't the law cut you some slack?
The 80 IQ limit was used on purpose. Yes, if someone is judged incompetent, or insane, they are removed from the normal criminal court process. They become wards of the state and are treated as such. Is this what you are advocating? Full rights and privileges in any society are based on one's ability to understand them.
Please note that NO society allows the criminally insane, or criminally incompetent, to roam about freely. If you can not relate to society in a safe manner, society still reserves the right to protect itself from you.
Also, there is such a verdict as Guilty but Insane.

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So, if one does not comprehend their errors in the same way that you understand your errors shouldn't they be cut some slack?
No.
There is a difference between altered perceptions and overall competence. You can elect to ignore moral choices. It does not mean you are incapable of making them, only that you are choosing to act without making them. It also does not absolve you of your guilt.

Are you making a claim that novas are fundementally incapable of distinguishing between what a baseline society considers right and wrong?
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Don't be a bore Preston. What I've been asking is should YOU and those like you be held more accountable by your moral system? You are more aware of your errors, even before you commit them. If you do something that causes pain and misery, and you forsaw it, shouldn't you be held accountable for those actions? Or at least called to task to prove that the pain you caused was unavoidable or less than what would have been caused?

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Don't be a bore Preston.
I can not help it. It is genetic.
Fortunately, my son seems to have dodged the bullet.

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What I've been asking is should YOU and those like you be held more accountable by your moral system?
Accountable to my moral system? I am.
Being a nova does not come with an instruction manual, so certain aspects of morality have to be explored.
Those like me? Who do you consider to be like me?

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You are more aware of your errors, even before you commit them. If you do something that causes pain and misery, and you foresaw it, shouldn't you be held accountable for those actions?
A better question would be this:
What do I do if I see actions that result in pain and misery to one person, but I see my actions creating pain and misery to another?
It is more of a question of action versus inaction and the price of both.
The result of that line of questioning results in this:
To what degree am I to be held accountable for the foreseen results of my actions upon foreseen events?
The answer for me is something like this:
I endeavor to save lives, both physically (people not getting killed) and emotionally (pain and trauma). It is the rare circumstance that does not present me with a way to save every life, but it has happened.
At that point and time, I have to make a choice on who I save, and I believe that is what you are uncomfortable with.
If it is any consolation, I do not take political and/or philosophical beliefs into consideration.

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Or at least called to task to prove that the pain you caused was unavoidable or less than what would have been caused?
As for calling me to task for my decisions:
That is not my call. In the current baseline/nova social paradigm I operate in, there is no mechanism for holding me accountable.
Do other bodies wish to hold me accountable?
Perhaps, but I do not care what CoMA, most terats, and most elites think about me. If you chose to take action, so be it.
This is not a popularity contest. I am not acting with the primary motivations of making friends and self-promotion. If the price of keeping people alive is being hated, I can deal with that.
Upon occasion, I do consult with other Pretercogs and Socially Conscious individuals about possible courses of action. Slattern, you are not part of that group, nor with your current social bent are you likely to become a part of it.
I have no desire to be your friend, nor do you have anything I want or need.
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Charr Community Regular

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There it is.

I'm in awe.

Really.

Look close peeps cause you ain't never going to hear such a load of self rationalizing crap again.

No unless it unless it starts out with, "And on the seventh day god said, Let's see what the little monkeys do when I hold up this magnifying glass." Catch him while you can folks. Presbyterian Johnny doing two shows a night in Vegas for a limited time only.

Won't do three cause that would compromise his integrity.

wink

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As for calling me to task for my decisions:
That is not my call. In the current baseline/nova social paradigm I operate in, there is no mechanism for holding me accountable.
Good to know. Thank you.
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Charr Community Regular

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PJ!? After all we've been through that cuts me to the quick! laugh

You're getting lost in the details again. Big surprise there. I'm not disapproving of you. It's the rest of these lame-o's that blow my fucking gourd. You told them the truth but now they're all shuffling around doing the monkey hop wondering how they could ever question what a great guy you are.

It didn't come knock knock knocking on their skulls to question what you didn't say. wink

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