opnet [OpNet] Collaboration Request

[Timeslip]

I am in need of assistance on a project. In brief, I need to develop a dual-scale subjective/objective chronograph, something that can track and record temporal manipulations accurately. While I can provide the requisite theory for the device, I require somebody with the requisite electrical, mechanical, and quantum engineering skills to translate theory into fact.

I will be happy to relinquish any/all patent rights for the resultant device to said collaborator.

[Damanor]

As much as I would love to be involved in this project, I can't see how to avoid attracting P-U S&T attention while building the device. That would also affect the possibility of any patent rights.

Still, the theory behind it would be fascinating to discuss. I'd like to get together with you to discuss temporal theory some time in the near future.

[Long]

I fail to see the problem with monitoring and recording temporal phenomenon Damanor, now if we were to build something that could actually create them that is another story.

[Access]

I share Damanor's thoughts and sentiments. I can do small contributions, but this is not a project I can fully take on.

I would like to be part of this "braintrust" with you and Damanor if the opportunity presents itself.

[Access]

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Originally posted by Long:
I fail to see the problem with monitoring and recording temporal phenomenon Damanor, now if we were to build something that could actually create them that is another story.

When it comes to monitoring something like this, and getting this in depth with large quantum powered brains, one isn't too far from the other in the eyes of certain organizations. We're all being watched as it is for the most part. The last thing I want is some heat coming down on me.

[Long]

My main concern is more along the lines of someone taking the research and turning it into a combat system. It has happened before.

[Access]

I believe you have just expanded upon your own previous inquiry with your last statement as well Long.

[Tarot]

Good luck with this, Timeslip. A quick check of the Opnet (You got to love Utopia for giving us "Op://Utopia/PR/RS/Catalogue/Known" as a modern reference) tells us that those that can manipulate time/duration in any manner are pretty rare.

Something else it tells us (look under the Correlations Tab) is that most of the people than can do something with time have an intuitive instinct for what time is doing and wouldn't need a watch like this. That makes me curious as to what you're trying to do but its cool. I'm patient and can wait until you want to tell me.

[Timeslip]

Tarot,

I do have an absolute sense of time. What I do not have is a simple and automatic method for recording such. For example, were I to wish to keep a record of my temporal activities for whatever reason (experimental journal, peer review, synergetic operations, etc.), my absolute sense of time may not suffice. It is for that reason that I am trying to develop a device that can make accurate record of such, both from an objective and subjective standpoint.

As for legal implications, this should incur no more oversight or regulation (or potential for misuse) than an exceedingly accurate stopwatch with a record function.

[Jager]

I am curious of Timeslip is looking into the Theory of Absolute Time. In essance, there is a constant force of time, normally undetectable, that is either incapable of being manipulated, or is self-correcting. I'm not a big fan of it myself, but it has its adherance.

Of course, it strongly implies the existance of parrallel realities, the ability to intersect and interact with them, and our inability to permanently alter ours (assuming it is the source of Absolute Time).

[Xeno]

If this were to be undertaken, would unobtrusive, confidential observation of the procedures by a non-participant (or initially non-technical participant) be permitted?

[Timeslip]

I would not be adverse to such, so long as my eventual collaborator did not object.

[Access]

Timeslip, can you answer a question for me and I might be able to help you a bit easier.

Are the movement of astral bodies a constant throughout all the bits of time you travel? If so, then this should theoretically prove fairly simple. If it isn't, then it might prove a bit more difficult.

[Timeslip]

Bandwidth,

When, for example, I utilize a temporal bubble to function at an accelerated subjective rate, such constants as stellar phenomena do appear, from my vantage point, to have slowed by an inverse ratio (while, of course, continuing at a normal rate to an objective observer).

[Access]

Then theoretically this should be a simple task. Let me ask another of the brains about it, but shouldn't it just be possible to measure astronomical relationships?

The only difficult might be when the position of the earth is required, but it might be possible to build a small device that can transport itself into the outer atmosphere, gather data and come back.

This I might be able to do for you Timeslip.

[Alex Craft]

You want to monitor how the local time flow has changed due to temporal manipulation?

Create a small, precise timepiece (simple enough, though if you want atomic clock precision it'll need a little better engineering if you want to keep the size down). Then, link it to an external timepiece via satellite or what have you - just use one of the OpNet accessible atomic clocks. The unit could compare the external time interval with the local time interval and give you the exact change in rate locally.

The end package could be the size of a cell phone (all it is is a timepiece, a communication device, and a calculator rolled into one), and it would not require any technology not currently available. No fuss, no muss.

[Bastian]

As an alternative, we could find someone with a chronal sense and mentally link him/her to TimeSlip so that TimeSlip could make the observations for herself.

[kestrel404]

Alex beat me to the obvious technical solution. Bastian's idea is uniquely nova in flavor, but should work equally well.

If there are additional problems to deal with, Timeslip, let us know so that we can help revise the solution.

[Jager]

Rumor has it that there is this nova that can Clone other people, TimeSlip. In that case, you could monitor yourself. If you want to talk to him, let me know.

[billy Horrorshow]

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Originally posted by Jager:
Rumor has it that there is this nova that can Clone other people, TimeSlip. In that case, you could monitor yourself. If you want to talk to him, let me know.

Jager...I must know who this man/woman is. You have no idea how much joy that idea brings me. Of course I would only want a clone for umm...Scientific reasons. Yup. Not for entertainment at all.

As for the Rest of this thread: I reminds me too much of the Time-Travelling Dr. Limulus. Such a creepy notion. It also makes me wonder how he's doing these days with his hillbilly Quantum schoolin', as it were.

[Tiny Titan]

I think the timeline is fine the way it is and should be left alone. I don't want nobody playin with my past or my future. For all I know, it's been done multiple times already and that thought bothers me as well.

[Tarot]

Too late little dude. I've already altered the time line and you're now an old man that believes everything he reads. Oh, and your mother was a fine so I thought, "Why not since I'm here anyway..."

[Jager]

That was me, Tarot, stopping you from disrupting the timeline. Like my disguise, did ya?

[Tarot]

So this is what Lemmy means by a cockblock.

I did like it, especially the cheerleader outfit. Nice pom-poms.

[Sakurako Hino]

Damn, Jager. I coulda lent you a spare seifuku if you just asked. You'd have really caught some attention then. ^____^

[Timeslip]

Tiny Titan,

I am not entirely convinced that it is at all possible to modify the past of an existing timestream; while I am not certain, I suspect that attempts to alter the past (which would require true time travel, something that is well outside the parameters of my current quantotemporal powers) would result only in the creation of another timestream, leaving this one -- and you -- quite intact.

[Jager]

TimeSlip, ever wonder if it is one of your future selfs that causes this abberration that renders men into this problem you see today? Maybe, in implementing one of your solutions, you have really made the problem worse?

Just playing with ya.

[Edward]

Sounds like high-minded worthless science. What practical application does it have? What good does it to the man or woman on the street? How does it make the world a cleaner place?

[Jager]

Cull, don't sell TimeSlip short. Maybe someday soon the two of you can work together, go back in time, exterminate most of the world-wasting, consumer-economy-driving male-dominated civilizations and remake the world into a eco-goth (cause you want to look kewl), EarthMother-luvin Wiccan gynocracy.

Cull, you could be one of the few strong Y-chromosone Males they let live and could act the part of the Horned God.

[Timeslip]

Good god, Jager. Are you really such an ass, or do you just play one on the OpNet?

[Jager]

Tell you what TimeSlip, you try not dumping your bile on my gender and I will try to cut you some slack. Saying that one cog in the social-economic structure humanity has been building on for thousands of years is responsible for all the ills is way too damn simple.

After all, sons have mothers who they love and who love them.

Please give some thought to how the world works, how it is interconnected, and how it has evolved.

[Preston]

Disregarding the tangent this topic has taken -

TimeSlip, since I am one of the few public Precogs, I would be willing to help you providing we could share the data with the labs at MIT.

To be more precise, I can see forward and backwards in time, as well into divergent timestreams.

[Timeslip]

Jager,

Try reading.

Go find out about the degenerative problems with the Y-chromosome, how it is losing viability at an accelerated pace. The end of the male is going to happen; the only question is when. That's not a biased or evil or good or gloating statement, it's a statement of fact.

While you are at it, go research the violent tendancies that come part and parcel with said Y-chromosome. Again, this is a statement of fact, not one of hatred.

At no point did I state that men are the "one cog in the social-economic structure...responsible for all the ills." There are many factors that plague mankind, baseline and nova alike. The problematic behavior of men as a whole is, however, one of those factors.

As I noted in the other thread, I do not hate men. I know many that I rather like, and indeed one that I love. But that changes the facts no more than an autophile's love for a 1950s Chevrolet will change the fact that the 6-cylinder 235 engine burns oil. As a whole, men (1) have a violence problem and (2) have declining genetic viability, and plans need to be made to deal with both of these factual issues.

[Timeslip]

Preston,

Thank you for the offer. If it is not a problem, I may pay a visit to your office in the relatively near future to discuss the matter in detail.

[kestrel404]

Timeslip: You may be correct that removing men from the population of humans will solve some socio-economic problems. I doubt it, but you may be correct. However, say that the degeneration of the Y-chromosome to the point that males die out is inevitable, is much like saying that evolution is inevitable.

You know what? Evolution ISN'T inevitable. In fact, for the most part, we've already eliminated evolution as a factor in human growth by doing two things.

1) Modern medical science. The weak no longer die off. The gene pool does not improve over time. We save them and make it viable for those with strong evolutionary disadvantages to breed. I don't even think that this is particularly bad. However, selection is no longer natural, and therefore evolution has ended.

2) The science of eugenics and similar fields that have cropped up recently can effectively replace evolution once they mature.

IF the degeneration of the Y-chromosome becomes an issue in the future, then it will be dealt with. Science can provably deal with the problem right now, with the aid of one or two nova researchers.

So, the removal of the male from the equation is unlikely in the extreme. It is a far better idea to focus on re-habilitating them than removing them. I am a firm believer that whatever behaviors are natural rather than cultural, can be overcome by cultural behaviors.

[Tarot]

Eugenics like telling me who I can breed with? Not likely, Al. I may be only an artist but no way is some tube geek going to be the one to tell me who a little bit of Tarot goes best with even if it is in the interests of the human race.

[Lee Jones]

Alright two things

Alchemist-While I agree that natural selection is, in our society, declining I do not believe that evolution as a whole is. With the birth of every child, or the relocation of one individual across the planet, evolution is taking place. We have simple diminished one mechanism. The others remain active.

Timeslip-1)I agree with Alchemist on this one. Removing the male might fix some of our current societal "problems", but new ones will develop.

2a)Women are just as bad as men. They may not be as direct or as prolific, but they are certainly just as capable of violence as males. And, more importantly, the emotional and mental abuse women put each other through is just as "bad" for society as anything else.

2b)As I stated above, male apes tend to be more direct and prolific with their violence. It is our job. We are the ones who are suppose to scream and run around throwing sticks and poo at each other. We wouldn't be where we are today with out that. It sucks, I wish is didn't have to be that way, but it is what it is.

[Jager]

TimeSlip, I will get back to you on this in a day, or two. A few things have come up that need more than the normal attention.

[Tarot]

Remember to buy her roses, Jager. Its the little things that make it worthwhile.

[Neil Preston]

And chocolates. Lots and lots of chocolates.