Dreamer Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 I do not mean nova, nor smoke and mirrors. So if you want to talk about those sorts for things please go else where.I am talking about things that you can't explain away into tight logically forms. I am talking about things that shouldn't be possible, but are. I believe that there is magic in this world,and i believe it is deep and further reaching than any one of us could truly understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Please give us your definition of magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Access Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 There is not much that I do not understand, or cannot explain away logically or scientifically, though the problem comes up that there is a lack of those that can understand it like I can. I'm sure Endeavor and Alchemist will understand what I mean in this circumstance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy Horrorshow Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 Might I recommend looking up the thread about Magic that Lemmy started a few months back? As I recall the topic was beaten to death like a child molester in prison.:braces for the semantic dance: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamer Posted January 20, 2005 Author Share Posted January 20, 2005 You want me to define magic, Jager? I don't think I can. I see magic as something that if it could be defines, it wouldn't be magic. I know a catch 22, but I like having something to believe in. So,I guess you could say it is like faith.Billy, I tend not to look at all the threads on this forum. I know this can cause slight problems, but I have so many things to do that somethings are just over looked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 Do I believe that there are things that happen that can't be explained?Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr cornelius Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 i read some where, it was a planetary comice.They said that magic was the cheat codes of the universe allowing you to do things that are not normally/really possible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Grey Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 A picture is worth a thousand words, so here's my lengthy addition: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamer Posted January 20, 2005 Author Share Posted January 20, 2005 Mister Grey, your lack of faith in the unknown not withstanding, the only thing your answer has told us is that you are unwilling to let others view the world in a different light than your own. You have good company, COMA, KKK, KGB, SS.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Grey Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 I was talking about your topic, Dreamer, I haven't given you my two cents yet. And you didn't even offer everyone a penny for their thoughts, tsk tsk.I really didn't care about this dead horse topic, but since you want something I'm embracing total atheism and scientific thought just for this topic. God is dead, science will eventually and easily explain novas, blah blah Nietzsche blah blah.Now, back to actually doing something productive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarot Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 Quote:Originally posted by Sam Grey: Now, back to actually doing something productive. What do you consider productive?Not that I'm kvetching over your thoughts on Delirium and her topic. Just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeno Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 What is the advantage of belief for its own sake? Why is it assumed that the unknown must be unknowable?How can such questions be asked without sounding dismissive? Dismissiveness is not the intent. Knowledge is sought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damanor Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 Unfortunately, right now anything can be explained as the actions of novas. As for "magic" in the past, before N-day, we don't really have the ability to look at it closely.Well, most of us don't, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy Horrorshow Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 :Semantic Dance, Semantic Dance:Sammy? I like your style. I think MY opinion for THIS round of Magic: The Bickering will be that all electronic items are the products of witches. I fear the cameras because they steal part of my soul. I fear the White Man's voodoo, known as Science. Fear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 Next thing you're going to tell me is that there is some sort of extra-dimensional conspiracy called the Technocracy out to rule us all. Jeesh, you people ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timeslip Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 Oh, for the love of....:sigh:A. C. Clarke's Third Law -- "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -- while a good start, is incomplete; a more accurate phrase would be, "Any phenomenon sufficiently remote from one's frame of reference is indistinguishable from magic.""Magic" (or "Magick", or "Majik", or however you decide to spell it this week) is merely a convenient term for any phenomenon that one lacks sufficient knowledge to fully understand. For much the same reason, the term "supernatural" is an oxymoron; all that exists is "natural" by very definition, even if it is outside of our usual frame of reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kestrel404 Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 Timeslip: Thank you. I'm tired of hearing that 'science does not include X, because it is magic'. Science includes and describes everything that can happen, by definition. If science cannot explain something, science will change until it CAN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy Horrorshow Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 Quote:Originally posted by Jager:Next thing you're going to tell me is that there is some sort of extra-dimensional conspiracy called the Technocracy out to rule us all. Jeesh, you people ...No mages here, but I do hear the Sabbat are always recruiting.But if we're going to talk about magical science phenomenon (do doo be do doop), I call bullshit on anyone who doesn't know Charles Fort. His scientific approach to "magic" gave our world a wonderful thing:Tabloids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarot Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 Quote:Originally posted by Dreamer: What do people think about magic?Not a bad card game and decent art but completely overshadowed by the more commercially popular ELITES: World at War! series. Most people prefered the DYK rule system for ELITES to the elemental based color codes used in Magic. With the ELITES game coming with a ready made audience its not surprising it drove almost all other collectible card games off the market early on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 My Pokeman Cards are worthless?!?!?!!?!?Ah, damn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakurako Hino Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 Listening to all this stuff about cards makes me wonder if some Nova out there can really use cards as a focus.It would be interesting to see.That or paper. Can you imagine the papercuts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy Horrorshow Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 Quote:Originally posted by Sakurako Endeavor Hino:Listening to all this stuff about cards makes me wonder if some Nova out there can really use cards as a focus.Well, Phantasmagoria uses Tarot cards or other playing cards for all sorts of craziness. The only reason I know about her was that whole "Las Vegas" stink that happened a few years back. Fun times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 Ha ... yeah. How many people recall that there are sword-weilding maniacs in your average deck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamer Posted January 21, 2005 Author Share Posted January 21, 2005 Well, let's take away all the unknown in the world, strip it to the bones. Line everything up,put on a scale and label it with fancy names. Take the words, "truth is beauty and beauty is truth" as the key to your life,and forget about dreaming of a better world.I mean it is all possible to do this, and you may like what you get, but that is not a way I want to live. The truth is not always what is best. The facts aren't all that mater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarot Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Quote:Originally posted by Sakurako Endeavor Hino: Listening to all this stuff about cards makes me wonder if some Nova out there can really use cards as a focus.(soft cough)Not so much interesting as useful. I put a lot of effort into my deck. Quote:Originally posted by Jager: Ha ... yeah. How many people recall that there are sword-weilding maniacs in your average deck? The swords aren't the maniacs in my deck. Quote:Originally posted by Dreamer:The facts aren't all that mater. Point but you're trying just a little too hard, Dreamer. Art is (amongst other things) the intersection of possible with potential. You keep pushing your own personal interpretations while seeming to forget you're talking with people that can create myths, give subtance to the ephemereal dreamstuff of fantasy and redefine where the boundary lays between real and imagined.If you want to talk about it then talk about it. No need to play word games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Did someone mention tabloids? I can't believe that neither the Daily Sport OR the National Enquirer currently carries the headline, "Norwegian Whaling ship found on Moon."Sometimes I wonder why I even BOTHER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 I think magic is a stupid thing. It is false. Focus on the real world, on real problems. Use your gifts. Who cares what we call them, it is the good we do with them that counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy Horrorshow Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Quote:Originally posted by Walker:Did someone mention tabloids? I can't believe that neither the Daily Sport OR the National Enquirer currently carries the headline, "Norwegian Whaling ship found on Moon."Ever since N-Day, "Tabloids" have suffered. If they hadn't gotten an early grasp on the Nova fad market, I might not be able to find out what Bat-Boy is up to these days.Of course now it turns out Bat-boy was a Nova, just like Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longboard Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 i used to not believe in comic books either. Till I had to sue a company for using my name and image, and life story as a basis to make a buck, and some toys.Magic exist, sure, whatever. hocus pocus and $$$$hit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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