Wakinyan Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 Novas can have sex but I am wonder if it has a point in reproduction for us. Since it came up in another thread I thought it belongs in it's own thread. Silverhide is a child of two Novas or at least he claims it. Apep is the daughter of Ashnod. So the question is are Novas sterile or not? Maybe not all of us are? Does it depend on how you erupted or develop? I've never put much thought into it really I have always just accepted what they told me at the Rashoud facility. But I have to wonder now. Not like I am looking to have some offspring at the moment but I think it's good to have the option open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kestrel404 Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 I don't mention them much, but I've got two children. Both were born well before I erupted. From what I know, there are quite a few novas that had children before erupting.The number that have had children since is vanishingly small. I know of one confirmed case, Anna DeVries, and perhaps half a dozen which may or may not be true.I don't know why this is. I haven't actually done anything since erupting to find out, either. But it is a disturbing trend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menagerie Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 It is interesting how we can be away for a little while and return to find the ripples of a personal tangent have gathered momentum.Until recently We were under the impression that all of us were very capable of having children. A conversation with Mr. Preston stressed the rarity of such an occurrence. My children are a personal treasure. One that We are far from willing to allow to be the subject of scrutiny and study. We are sure that such sentiment is prevalent throughout most procreating Novas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David 'Dr. Troll' Smith Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 Most novas can't have children.There are a number of theories as too why.Some are logical: Quantum radiation exposure during eruption may sterilize us. Some less so: If each one of us is a new species then most species aren't compatible with other species.Some are silly: (COMA).I suspect subconsciously most of us don't want children at the moment we erupt. Sure, lots of us eventually want children. But eruption doesn't deal with "eventually", it deals with that moment and only that moment. You get pored into a mold and then its very hard if not impossible to change the settings there after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Access Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 That kind of makes me wonder what would happen if you erupted amidst a very passionate session with your wife/husband/lover/whatever in an attempt to have kids. Would you suddenly gain uber fertility and reproduction powers?I mean, that would seem against current theories wouldn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy Horrorshow Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 Bandwidth the idea of someone with Uber Fertility and reproduction powers is possible the coolest thing I've ever seen you type. And also the scariest.Oh and I'll restrain myself by NOT commenting on what I think super fertility powers would be. It hurts. It hurts a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakinyan Posted October 13, 2004 Author Share Posted October 13, 2004 Yes the mental picture is most interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy Horrorshow Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Interesting is far too painless a word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 A few interesting thoughts occurred to me reading the above.If it is the case that Nova sterility is due to some sort of damage on eruption then it may well be possible that a quantum healer might be able to cure this damage. Maybe a nova might exist that has some sort of fertility ability that can induce/facilitate pregnancy in others. Why not, there seems to be a 'Nova Power' for everything else?Maybe the idea that each Nova is a different 'species' sounds dumb but... How exactly would a Nova made of molten lava be able to reproduce with one who had a body of ice?What happens to the fertility of two novas that dorm down? What if they stayed dormed down during fertilization. Does anyone know if this would work? I haven't found info on this on any medical Opsite I've checked so maybe it's new approach that might hold out some hope.What about Novas who are able to resist lots of damage and/or are physically adaptable. Might they be inherently more fertile. BTW I am physically adaptable so if there are any lovely nova ladies out there who fancy taking part in a 'stricly scientific experiment' be sure to PM me And on a different note, I wonder what a Baseline psychologist would say about...If your Nova partner had the ability to clone and you shagged their clone would that count as being unfaithful?Come to think of it if you had sex with your own clone would that count as loosing your virginity?If you had sex with someone who had shifted form into the opposite sex but was really the same sex as you would that count as homosexuality?If anyone knows any Baseline psychologists would they please ask these questions and post the replies here. Just so I can laugh at Baseline attempts to understand Nova psychology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kestrel404 Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Or, ask a priest of CoMA, just to watch them spontaneously combust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amped Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Yeah, but which of us is going to get close enough to CoMA to ask. It's not going to be me from what I hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David 'Dr. Troll' Smith Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Walker: If it is the case that Nova sterility is due to some sort of damage on eruption then it may well be possible that a quantum healer might be able to cure this damage.We've tried this. It doesn't work, possibly for the same reason a nova healer can't "cure" me of the extra foot in height I gained during eruption.Walker: Maybe a nova might exist that has some sort of fertility ability that can induce/facilitate pregnancy in others. Why not, there seems to be a 'Nova Power' for everything else?Yeah, maybe. But either it hasn't happened yet or they haven't stepped forward.Walker: What happens to the fertility of two novas that dorm down? What if they stayed dormed down during fertilization. Does anyone know if this would work? I haven't found info on this on any medical Opsite I've checked so maybe it's new approach that might hold out some hope.Even assuming that their fertility returns to normal (which is a big assuption and unproven), it might take months or longer for them to 'start over again'. Most novas aren't willing to dorm down that long. Walker: What about Novas who are able to resist lots of damage and/or are physically adaptable. Might they be inherently more fertile. What little data we have suggests it doesn't have anything to do with adaptability. However, there aren't enough fertile novas on record for meaningful data to be generated. One large green brick could (and does) skew the graph. Walker: ...Baseline psychologist...No. Yes. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverhide Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 My friend says it's the fault of all the bad people at Utopia. He says Utopia wants slaves and they don't want their slaves to make babies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakinyan Posted October 14, 2004 Author Share Posted October 14, 2004 Quote:Originally posted by Walker: Come to think of it if you had sex with your own clone would that count as loosing your virginity? Ya know I would say ask Tommy Orgy but I would guess he lost his virginity long before he started his stage act. Quote:Originally posted by Silverhide: My friend says it's the fault of all the bad people at Utopia. He says Utopia wants slaves and they don't want their slaves to make babies. That really doesn't make much sense does it? Wouldn't slave owners WANT more slaves? I would hardly say Utopia owns those who work for them anyway. I mean I know two that frequent here that left them without getting horse whipped or hunted down by hounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashnod Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 You are thinking in the wrong direction, Totem. The issue at hand is not servitude, though servitude is preferred over outright freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakinyan Posted October 14, 2004 Author Share Posted October 14, 2004 So then what are we talking about? Genocide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David 'Dr. Troll' Smith Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Quote:Silverhide: My friend says it's the fault of all the bad people at Utopia. He says Utopia wants slaves and they don't want their slaves to make babies. A confusing theory, even for the conspiracy nuts, but it does show up ever now and then.And it isn't true from first hand experience. I erupted, went to their clinic, took all the drugs, and yes, I'm one of the lucky fertile ones (my health sucked before eruption so I suffered a head of time for this gift). For that matter, no one at the clinic lifted a finger to stop me from signing on with DVNTS (retrospectively it wasn't one of my better moves). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy Horrorshow Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Complete Tangent (not the Nova but the real kind): It just occurred to me. What kind of parents shelter a kid this much and then throw him at the mercy of the Opnet? Am I crazy does Silver just seem too cute with all this "Daddy says this" and "Auntie says that"...Silver it's nothing against you but....man. I keep expecting you to talk about Uncle Paxi and how he plays the no-no game. Or to find out you're really a baseline name Chuck in Kentucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singularity Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 A conspiracy to sterilize novas... outside of genocide, it seems like a bad idea risk enraging the only population that has quantum powers.However my own opinions might be shaping my words; I know I would be rather angry with those responsible if it was true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy Horrorshow Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Like a sterilization conspiracy is even really possible. We're all too random and too variably resistant from day ONE to everything for a big ol' project like that to even be practical. Seriously...Troll says that he may be fertile because he can resist drugs or whatever. Sure. Him and another 20% minimum of other Novas out there. We all have varying degrees of drug-resistance going on. So yeah...it's getting kinda spooky how there's not too many kids out there but that doesn't mean somebody figured out a way to neuter us way back from day one. Seriously...some of us can turn into pure energy and visit Pluto but we can't have kids? That implies that we're engineered or some crap. Maybe that's it. Maybe we were all raised separately after being shipped to our "parents" from a government lab where the Node-babies come from and we were cloned with bad Alien DNA so we couldn't breed then we all started erupting because the experiment went bad. Oh yeah. That's the plot to Afterburns, starring Tuesday Moon. Rent it sometime. This Nova conspiracy crap has been popular from day one.Then again, maybe I'm just a well-oiled cog in a horrible machine...like the Umbrella Corporation or Pentex or some other bullshit made-up secret conglomerate.So Silver/Chuck: Why don't you put your daddy on the Terminal so he can tell us about all the bad people at Utopia that handled our balls wrong to keep the slave population low? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy Horrorshow Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 :sigh: And I LOVE conspiracy films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakinyan Posted October 15, 2004 Author Share Posted October 15, 2004 Who is to say that the exchange of bodily fluids is the way some of us can procreate? What if Mr. Photon and Ms. Electron swap some highly energetic goo and get an insta child? What if for example two telepaths got together and created an offspring by designing a new consciousness together? Kinda makes me sad really... Exchanging bodily fluids is so much fun I'd hate to leave it behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Troll: One large green brick (could) and does skew the graph. I got myself checked out and a glowing orange weirdo skews the graph even further. However I do understand a bit about statistics and given a small enough sample you can do whatever you like with the numbers. If the fertility of Novas who dorm down is unproven then it might be an interesting avenue of inquiry. Especially given what Alchemist said about having two children before eruption. It all depends on how fully dorming down reverses the changes that happen on eruption I guess.In General: The idea of a conspiracy involving Novas getting offed/repressed in various ways never seems to go away does it? We look at an organisation making bad choices and think surely they can't be that stupid? Must be someone pulling the strings somewhere getting something for all this. Maybe there's no conspiracy and we just sense the seperation between us and the Baseline. Can you really trust a Baseline to know what is best for a Nova? Our two different experiences of the world have little in common after a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Quote:Originally posted by Totem: ... Kinda makes me sad really... Exchanging bodily fluids is so much fun I'd hate to leave it behind. Who says that what would come next would be any less fun? I like your ideas though, maybe that sort of procreation IS the natural way for Novas to procreate. We're Novas we can get creative and the universe listens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverhide Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 WOW! I wonder what thought babies would look like!Mr. Horrorshow I don't think my dad will come here. He got mad when he found out I come here and told me not to come here anymore. He said all you guys are dangerous. I don't care though, I like this place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakinyan Posted October 15, 2004 Author Share Posted October 15, 2004 I am sure some of the more Techno savy Novas out there might even reproduce using AI. Which is very strange and I dunno if it counts but... I am sure they will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Access Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 I've created simple AI before to help me do different things in the office. Can hold simple conversations with them beside their designed tasks...but I wouldn't call them my offspring of any sort, even if there is a bit of me in them...literally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy Horrorshow Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Quote:Originally posted by Silverhide:Mr. Horrorshow I don't think my dad will come here. He got mad when he found out I come here and told me not to come here anymore. He said all you guys are dangerous. I don't care though, I like this place.Thanks for the clarification, Chuck. :wink wink nudge nudge:oh and Totem....way to go. Now Bandwidth won't be able to look at his AI buddy the same way again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakurako Hino Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 Quote:Originally posted by Totem: I am sure some of the more Techno savy Novas out there might even reproduce using AI. Which is very strange and I dunno if it counts but... I am sure they will. I could build an android child, but then again, the dangers outweigh the benifits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Stewart: TAG Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 If you could build an android then why aren't you working on prosthetics to assist those born without working limbs or who lost them?You were an elite once. If you can repair some tiny part of the harm caused by your kind then why aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 Quote:Originally posted by Liam Stewart: TAG: If you could build an android then why aren't you working on prosthetics to assist those born without working limbs or who lost them?Because she lives in free countries that don't enslave their novas into doing the public good? Not that helping others is a bad idea, but shouldn't if come from the heart, and not from guilt or fear?Quote:Originally posted by Liam Stewart: TAG:You were an elite once. If you can repair some tiny part of the harm caused by your kind then why aren't you? If you look at the actual record, you will realize she didn't undertake any missions, and she became an elite contractor in an attempt to keep her creative integrity, not to kill anyone.As for the harm her kind do ... Well, your kind tried the blunt force approach to that once and failed, PR spin aside. Elites kicked your asses and it wasn't because you were outnumbered or outpowered. Elites believed in their profession.This is a fact you need to understand.Liam, among other things, elites can be seen as the ultimate expression of individual identity. Utopians can be seen as the ultimate expression of a group identity.Neither one is "better", or "right". It is a struggle we have all been going through since we first formed recongnized social units.There are people who exist in this world that believe they have no responsibility outside themselves. Get used to it, because badgering them isn't going to get you the results you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Stewart: TAG Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 Just forget it. It was a waste of time to even ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 Talking before acting is rarely a waste of time. Neither is asking for help when you need it.Asking people to fundementally change their lives, on the other hand, is a whole lot to ask for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Stewart: TAG Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 Apparently so is asking a question of someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 Having run and been a part of an organization that ran humanitarian relief, rescued people lost/kidnapped/held hostage, and aided folks escaping from authoritarian regimes, I can understand your frustration.I found it easier to operate outside the law, or atleast in the grey areas to get the things I wanted done, done.I came to understand it takes all kinds to get the good things done in this world, just as I have long believed I would rather live in a world of rules, laws, and regulations (which I occassionally have to find ways around) than in a world without them.When you give up trying, the person you most betray is yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakurako Hino Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 ...TAG, I have never been a real "Elite". I'm no longer even a "contractor". I'm the very model of a "ronin". I serve no one. I know this because my lack of contact recently with Teknokat gives me the suspicion that my services are no longer required.I got chewed up and spit out in the "elite" world. Now, why don't you check your damn facts before spouting your mouth off. Jager may have still educated you on the nature of things, but I will not forgive your slight. Your misinformation came across as an insult, and I don't think it was an innocent mistake.Oh, Designing artificial limbs? Like 100 other different companies? That's not doing good, that's being redundant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian 'Very Bad' Blakely Posted October 17, 2004 Share Posted October 17, 2004 You being mistaken for an Elite makes you feel insulted?What about me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwriter Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 Tag,If you speak like an adult, I'll treat you like an adult, so I've got this to say to you:Until you, personally, have fought an Elite, please shut the hell up.I'm not too fond of Pursuer, but I also know a couple of other Elite agencies that are actually trying to make a difference. Argus being one of those I respect.Oh, and lay off my friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakurako Hino Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 VB, when someone mistakes me for being an elite, it may cause someone who is to think I'm some sort of poser.Simply put, I don't play being one, so people shouldn't mistake me for being one. There is a fallen Elite I respect very much. He set me right and he's gone, so I cannot thank him in person. To me it's a thing of personal honor not to insult HIM. I'm no Elite. I do not claim to be one. If I did, I swear he'd probably rise from his grave just to smack me around.I would have just let this slide if it wasn't for my personal honor getting in the way.I know, it's complex. It's just how much I've learned to respect that man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Access Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 It's in our power to do great things, but it is also in our power to choose when to do them. I myself will never do anything that is demanded. I'll do what I want, and most of the time I'll do what is asked as long as it's reasonable. I can see why Endeavor does not want to be doing certain things. I'm no inventor, but I'm a programmer, and I'm not just going to make a program just because it is expected, I have a life to live as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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