Wakinyan Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 So it's hard enough to go out to eat at a restaurant for me. Getting through the doors is one thing, chairs are right out. Usually though the staff will be nice enough to move tables around enough for me to be able to sit my furry ass down. Anyway, I finally decided to get out to watch a movie last night and I get intercepted by the manager as soon as I bought the ticket. He was quick to tell me they didn’t have accommodations to one of my needs. I said I could sit in the Aisle at the back. He responded by saying that violates fire code. I told him I could sit in one of the spaces at the back assigned for wheel chairs (tight squeeze but I could do it) Once again he said no and told me that my presence might make the other patrons uncomfortable. Not my fault or problem if people go see "The Rending" and don't want to deal with a monster sitting behind them cheering on the monster eating people on screen.I began making a big deal about it and when I growl baselines tend to button up. He scurried away, I bought a few bucket of popcorn and sat down to enjoy my movie. I was even nice enough to the movie folk to make myself not there as I sat in the back. Now all was going just fine when about 15 minutes in the manager entered with about a half dozen cops looking for me. Flashlights out, interrupting the movie for everyone. They didn't spot me easy but since they knew where I was sitting they literally ran into me. They made me go back into the lobby and asked me if I had threatened the manager and was making the audience uncomfortable. To which I responded no. He said I did (obviously finding a backbone with six cops armed with shotguns and pistols protecting him) by growling at him. I told the cops I growl in annoyance all the time and believe it or not they where rather reasonable. Maybe they didn't want to bother trying to cuff me or arrest me; maybe they really thought I did nothing to warrant them being there. They informed me the manager had the right to deny service to anyone and he wanted me out. I asked for a refund and was told that no refund is available once the movie has started. So instead of making a big deal about this I just left. I can’t even watch a fucking movie in the theater.Humans sure do love us when it is convenient for them but the moment it becomes a hassle they will put you out the door as quickly as they can. Mr. Bailey, what kind of legal grounds do I have with this situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastian Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 Brother Totem, where did this happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakinyan Posted October 8, 2004 Author Share Posted October 8, 2004 Frontier theater in Cheyenne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugin Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 Bastian, the race is on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Bailey Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 Numerous. Most of the federal civil codes regarding discrimination from the 1960s has been construed to include protection for novas as well as the 5th and 14th Amendments (one of the side affects of the Zurich Accord).However, the theater isn't without recourse in this situation. Your claim, as we call it in the business, is colorable. My services are available if you want to retain me to take action against the theater or defend you if they take action against you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakinyan Posted October 8, 2004 Author Share Posted October 8, 2004 Come on guys. The manager was an asshole but does it require you to go snap his neck like Geryon or something? I was thinking a lawsuit was good enough. Now I don't even want to bother it isnt worth the effort to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Bailey Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 Quote:Originally posted by Totem: Now I don't even want to bother it isnt worth the effort to me.Don't misunderstand me, Totem, I'm not saying it's impossible for you to recover. Plenty of cases like this have been filed before and if you do something definitive and effective now then you reduce the number of possible cases of discrimination across the country. Yes, there are some zealous groups who will rattle their sabers, but bringing down the wrath of the federal government is one way of stopping "good ol' boy" networks. And to clarify and sweeten the deal: I'll do it pro bono. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakinyan Posted October 8, 2004 Author Share Posted October 8, 2004 If you like I will support it but to be honet I dont like being in a courtroom much it makes me nervous. Even if I am not the one on trial I feel like I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Bailey Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 I'll relay you the details, Totem. Actually, there would be little need for you to be in the courtroom on a consistant basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugin Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 Totem, no one has ever been able to prove that I have ever commited any sort of violence outside of a small handful of occasions in which I was merely defending myself. I do not commit mayem. I leave that to the Charr's of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigiGeist Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 Totem, that's what makes us Novas such a unique bunch. Someone like me can just sit all nice like, and watch a movie in peace, while you are considered a nuisance.It's all baseline BS. Pure and simple. If you're not some human looking poster boy for Utopia, you're a threat.The only reason they were so nice to you was your size. The monkeys are afraid to throw their poo at you because you're a 400 pound gorilla.Look, worse comes to worse, you can keep a local drive-in open with your presence. I love Drive-Ins. That's something that shouldn't fade into obscurity.*sigh* B-Movies rock when watched in one of those beautiful relics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menagerie Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 This is exactly what happens when you don't look good on an action figure or a lunchbox. There is an obvious bias towards different "flavors" of our kind. I myself know exactly what you're talking about. My life-blood vocation was stolen from me years ago in a similar fashion.On a legal note: Totem you did say that the manager and the police had trouble spotting you and had to literally run into you to find where you were. In court this could be construed or twisted as hiding...even if it's a condition. Not that I'm a lawyer, I just had hellish trial where I saw such things. You can still sue for discrimination based on size...unfortunately such trials have been going on for years before Novas were around...and they didn't seem to go anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakinyan Posted October 8, 2004 Author Share Posted October 8, 2004 Mainly I blended in for the sake of the audience but I understand your point. Even after what I saw on the news I still think I will be pursuing this further Mr. Bailey. Although I am sure I am going to be considered a Terat soon no matter if I am or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menagerie Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 Good luck to you Totem.A unsettling notion came into my mind: If you do pursue the case, realize that if you lose it could set a precedent for barring Novas merely based on their physical form. Also please note that I say If twice and could...not a factual assertion to any degree. Just a possibility that bothers us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakinyan Posted October 8, 2004 Author Share Posted October 8, 2004 Apparently this place is not a forum to discuss problems you face as a Nova. You go to seek comfort, advice and friendship but get the bonus of retaliation. I don't want Cheyenne to pay with blood if I had I would have did it myself. They are ALLOWED to hate me just like I am ALLOWED to sue their asses off. I am sure the Good Ol' CoMa boys will hear about this. I should get ready to meet with them again soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Bailey Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 Vigilantism might feel good in the immedate and appeal to retributive notions of justice, but it's flawed in the long run. Bringing the might of a social system to bear against someone (especially their own) might seem to be slow but it creates long lasting results in greater returns than mere knee-jerk reactions.Thank you, Totem, for taking the wiser route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian 'Very Bad' Blakely Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 Quote:Originally posted by Totem: Apparently this place is not a forum to discuss problems you face as a Nova. You go to seek comfort, advice and friendship but get the bonus of retaliation. Sorry man, but look at it this way. You just walked into your neighborhood bar. In this bar are your buds and in the corner a handful of Aryan skinhead fucks. Instead of only talking to your friends you stand at the bar and loudly talk about the gay black jewish hippie right down the block who just came on to you. You're suprised the Aryans look at that as an invitation? C'mon man. You know who walks these halls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakinyan Posted October 8, 2004 Author Share Posted October 8, 2004 Fine but for the record I didnt walk to the skinheads table and say "Go take care of it" In the future if I need to put a disclaimer up saying "This is what happened but to protect them I have to falsify info" I guess I will. Even if I am protecting their rights to be close minded biggots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmy Chillmeister Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 Well, just GOT to post here cuz of the thread title alone. Sorry Totem. Sucks to be a big fucking monster I guess. Also sucks when you try to hang out with a bunch of monkeys who act like sheep and your a wolf just cuz you're there.Gotta hang with your own people brutha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 Maybe the problem that some Novas face IS that they must retaliate? However I must confess, Totem, that your woeful tale inspired a bit of retaliation in myself so I am in that category...I walked down the road through a crowded street amongst the Baselines, naturally my nature caused great unease amongst them as, to put it bluntly, I am one tainted Mo-Fo. When I had shaken up enough of them and there was a big ol' bunch of them looking at me I worked a marvel. I pushed my power out to it's very limits and opened several 'warpgates' to far away places like pictures in the air. I showed them far-away places and magnificent vistas. The ruins of Ephesus in the mountains of Turkey under a full moon. Crowned Cranes flying over the Okavango Delta at dusk. Dawn at one point of the globe. Noon at another. The moon, I think, I summoned up at one point.Then the retaliation. I told them that all these things were happening right now and that going to see them in person was much better than sitting in watching TV or movies. I then walked into one of the pictures at random and sodded off to parts unknown.HE, HE, HE, HE, HE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastian Posted October 8, 2004 Share Posted October 8, 2004 If it matters, I act of my own accord. While I may chose to help my fellow novas, Totem didn't ask for any.I became aware of people who chose to express their hatred toward one of us. I wish to show them the real power ... and price of hatred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy Horrorshow Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 Totem: my man...discrimination or not, you missed a good movie. You should join me, Chitters, and Rodney sometime if you're on the East coast. We do a Nova night at the CineStaR megaplex every other week in San Fran. It's ALL about cheering on the monsters. Lemmy: For the love of all that is Holy when did you start having enough free time be a regular online? Aren't you touring or something you smooth ice bastard? (and I still say you need "the hairy mole" accessory if you're going to stick to that name.)Walker: Please tell me you did this in an English speaking country. Last time I tried doing something spectacular all I did was confuse the locals by not knowing their language. The language they spoke there was Moron, something I'm not affluent in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 Billy: This was not an English speaking country but one where I can speak enough of the language to get by in. Come to think of it so many people can speak English in that country that I'm sure the message would have got across through people asking others what the hell I had said. Even so I find that the locals appreciate the effort of a foreigner speaking a few words of their own language. A useful side effect is that the bargaining begins at a much lower price Totem: I understand that you didn't see the need to make a big scene out of this event. That you were frustrated but at the end of the day decided this was not a battle worth fighting. However it is possible to fight for the rights of someone else. It is often the case that a few inividuals stand up for the rights of many, many others. No critisism intended by the way. To continue the analogy if I were to witness a bunch of skinheads pushing an Asian youth about and this youth (perhaps wisely) wasn't fighting back, then I feel I would still intervene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarot Posted November 13, 2004 Share Posted November 13, 2004 This whole explains an lot. I'm really sorry you experienced this Totem. No matter what or who you are when it happens, discrimination isn't a pretty thing. It still doesn't make it alright to kill people though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakinyan Posted November 13, 2004 Author Share Posted November 13, 2004 Ya know Tarot if you where stuck being a fourteen foot tall monster 24 hours a day maybe you would start to understand how the bigotry, intolerance and constant threats on your life might make someone a bit resentful. How's Ibiza? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarot Posted November 14, 2004 Share Posted November 14, 2004 Maybe if you'd gotten a concussion when you were five after being hit with a rock thrown by kids calling you christ-killer and jew-boy you'd understand its not about being a fourteen foot tall.Ibiza is incredible! And I was missing 2/3 of it until a couple of nights ago because I thought the Amp Room was on the same sort of hours most clubs are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakinyan Posted November 14, 2004 Author Share Posted November 14, 2004 Quote:Originally posted by Tarot: Maybe if you'd gotten a concussion when you were five after being hit with a rock thrown by kids calling you christ-killer and jew-boy you'd understand its not about being a fourteen foot tall.Ooooh boy! We are gonna play the race card! Yay! Well let's see where to begin... We can start with how my people where a lot closer to true genocide than yours ever was. (and still is)No even better! How about pick up trucks of rednecks coming into town to find a random drunken injun to beat to death. No the best! Know you will be that drunken indian someday since it is the last true calling for us. Mix that with a dash of being an Aberrated FREAK and you are lucky I am not munching on the god damn marrow of your bones right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarot Posted November 14, 2004 Share Posted November 14, 2004 So now we're going to divide it down into degrees of hatred and intolerance? Why don't you just come out say that you feel your pain is somehow deeper, more acute and more profound that anyone else's. Just get it out there and be done with it.Did you want me to send pictures from Ibiza or just a bone marrow sandwich? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakinyan Posted November 14, 2004 Author Share Posted November 14, 2004 Dude don't worry about it. You will never understand unless you start growing tentacles. But maybe you will eventually. You walk into a bar or restaurant and people smile they go out of their way to help you. You are a golden child and revel in your newfound "godhood" or stardom whatever. If you saw the hatred and fear I see, smell and taste whenever I go anywhere off the Res these days you might have a clue. This isn't a woe is me party I have to deal with it and I do. I don't have to like it so I will just stay up on my wooden cross and let Prodigy spear my side at his leisure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarot Posted November 14, 2004 Share Posted November 14, 2004 Totem, I'm not blind you know. I still see the signs when they have problems with me. Everyone has burdens. Not telling you that yours aren't heavy but you might want to look at how you carry them. Maybe that's part of what people react to.Did you want me to send some pictures from Ibiza? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted November 14, 2004 Share Posted November 14, 2004 Not a complete aside:A year or so back, I spent time cleaning up a mass grave in Africa with Human Rights Watch.The Dead don't care who they are next in line to. They don't care who they are sleeping with. They don't care who gets put in a tent and who gets left out in the rain.I imagine, if they cared at all, they would care to be alive, with all the differences, pains, and joys that come with it.Too bad the dead don't speak loud enough for everyone to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarot Posted November 14, 2004 Share Posted November 14, 2004 Quote:Originally posted by Jager:Too bad the dead don't speak loud enough for everyone to hear. No, they do. Most just don't want to hear what they have to say. People are funny that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakinyan Posted November 14, 2004 Author Share Posted November 14, 2004 The dead talk to me all the time. Luckily for most Wasicu I try not to do what they ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarot Posted November 14, 2004 Share Posted November 14, 2004 Probably a wise choice. They don't have to live with the aftermath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 Key words here:Loud enough for EVERYONE to hearI know that some of us can hear ... and feel those who have gone on. Now, if the whole world could get with the program, what do you think the results would be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 Damned impressive that's for sure."Ryu, are we gonna die?" "probably." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakurako Hino Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 Quote:Originally posted by Tarot: Quote:Originally posted by Jager:Too bad the dead don't speak loud enough for everyone to hear. No, they do. Most just don't want to hear what they have to say. People are funny that way. Most people don't listen because they're only worried about that 1.5 meter bubble of isolation they put up between themselves and the outside world. No one really cares what's up unless they are personally involved.Untill reality bites them on their arse that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarot Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 Very true but I'm not sure what the actual measurement is for the bubble of isolation. Mine tends to shift depending on how cute the representative of the outside world is. Did I say cute? I meant intriguing. No, intelligent. Really. How do you back space this thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 Tarot, got yourself a new verbal interface, eh?If so ...Activate the buffer, speak, then playback before sending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 good old manual.. it isn't as fancy, but so much easier to use...."Ryu, How many Michaelites does it take to screw in a lightbulb?" "You mean they actually can?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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