Dreamer Posted September 16, 2004 Share Posted September 16, 2004 I have seen many debates on this forum saying that novas are not human, I just wish to know what it means to be human? Is there some cosmic guideline saying that this is within human grasp,and this is not. To say that doing something that was once thought impossible makes you no longer what you once were? Is it as simple as novas can fold and bend quantum,that removes them from being human? What if everyone one could? Would we stop calling ourselves human, or would explained the meaning of being human? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Preston Posted September 16, 2004 Share Posted September 16, 2004 For all our power, Dreamer, we can't even come up with the comprehensive definition you require. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamer Posted September 16, 2004 Author Share Posted September 16, 2004 And if one cannot define what is human, then how can one define what is not human? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakurako Hino Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 Dreamer's Paradox...You should get yourself in a Philosopher's Journal or Magazine. You just stated a damn good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sphere Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 I can define what isn't bloody human...Hamsters. Do I win a prize? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menagerie Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 I would rely upon human upbringing, but that isn't a definition at all. I seem to exhausted my thoughts on the topic on another thread.However, I would say that if the answer to your question is easily answered on a biological level. However biology alone has never been able to address metaphysics and it's entourage of ideas. Of course mayhaps we should reverse-engineer the question: What is is to be a Nova? How can you determine that something is not a Nova?The question takes a different dynamic, somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sphere Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Again, hamsters. They ain't Novas.At least I hope they ain't. Last thing I need is gravity-manipulating hamsters running about the place.Serious though, Menagerie, you can id a Nova pretty quick. Big, juicy M-R node, and the ability to play the fundamental forces of the universe like a xylophone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menagerie Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Exactly my point Sphere. But somehow it doesn't answer the question. ,,Quote:Originally posted by Dreamer:And if one cannot define what is human, then how can one define what is not human? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamer Posted September 22, 2004 Author Share Posted September 22, 2004 Sphere you missed the point. I was born to two humans, they were born form two humans each. In the time it took my parents to be born,and have me the whole scope of human achievement was reformed.Ideas that were once thought only simply fancies and impossible were ever day events. I have proof that novas can have children, at least before erupting.I have proof they can have children with "baselines".So really, what makes humans,humans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menagerie Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 It's obvious we can have children, before or after eruption, Dreamer. Everything breeds, doesn't it, particularly us. I'm curious as to your inclusion of this point in reference to your argument.Back to the main points:Maybe we should start small with our line of questioning. What makes a Frog a frog? Or what makes a Golgi Body precisely that? What makes a grain of sand precisely that? It it function, behaviour, molecular structure, subjective relation, what? I asked the "what makes a nova a nova" to simply point out that our definitions seem defined by MR-nodes and quantum. Surely a "nova" is more than just these things. Surely a Human will be more than whatever defining features we determine them to have. To ask what makes a human human seems a semantic dance. I understand the essence of what you're asking, but until we abandon this inferior out-dated form of communication, I don't think we'll be able to truly come to any conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sphere Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 Bloody hell, you people do seem to enjoy your pretentious head-up-your-fundaments arguing. No wonder the worlds in such a state. Half the Novas are posing pretty-boys the other half are pondering the existential bollocks of the sodding nature of being.(sigh) Guess ol' Sphere will have to sort it all out on his lonesome. Heavy is the burden of being me.What makes a human human? How about being a member of the species Homo Sapiens (with or without the bloody Novus). Anything else is just pointless jerking off on semantical debate.Humans are whatever I say they are. Alright? There's your answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redback Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 Errrmm Sphere, Ever seen the Baron? He's our monkey, he's either and Nova or Pure taint depends on who you talk to in the team. Myself, I would like to send him to Utopia to cut him open and find out what makes him tick but the more powerful members of the team seem to like him and will get a little violent if I do anything to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 Redback ... the monkey .... My money is on the monkey.Go Baron!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenrir Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 Fenrir wanted to answer to all of your posts, but to be true, it is just too much fucking reading. To answer your question, Dreamer, humans are servants and toys for the gods. It does not matter between gods and not-gods, but if you want me to break it up small, I am for you. There are gods, there are humans, there are animals and there are plans, and they are all things that live! So you see!? Your answer is simple!! Humans are all things we are knowing that are not animals or plants or gods!! Of course!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epicenter Posted October 6, 2004 Share Posted October 6, 2004 actually, the defining part of whether or not something is the same species, is whether or not it can inter-breed.there are a few cases where it's sketchy, like Mules, and Ligers/Tiglions.but most of it boils down to a label, we made for ourselves that says, we are a separate species, not some freakishly mutated chimps, because, humans and chimps are not capable of reproducing.but that doesn't answer the question. there are novas, who have had children as baselines, and later erupted. but how many have had children as novas?and the next question would be, how do you define, what happens when a pregnant baseline erupts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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