opnet [OpNet] Grow Up

[Archon]

being the second or third youngest on N-prime, it's probably gonna ruffle some tail feathers (no offense Totem) to say this, but it needs to be said.

WHY IS THERE CONSTANT DEBATE OVER WHO IS BETTER THAN WHO?

recently i've noticed in a thread a comment about not bothering to hide behind human form anymore. talking about the more animalistic side, and it struck my final nerve.

i'm not gonna get into a huge pseudo-religious debate about whether or not it's more divine to take on animal traits or divorce yourself from them completely, simply because we are not Divine. WE ARE NOT GODS. STOP with the stroking your own ego. let's face it simply, Novas as a general rule, are genetic mutations triggered by a quantum influx starting with the Galatea explosion. i've heard rumors of novas older than N-day, Divis Mal being one of them but that's neither here nor there. On top of that little piece of info, how many actually know what that means? i'm not talking about the literal definition but more philosophical. Are we just humans with a extra little gland? or are we a new race? Where is the line drawn? Who knows. who cares... why do constantly step down to baseline ideas and beliefs to say what can be best said by the three words, "It Doesn't Matter"

i don't necessarily agree with the acts of violence attributed to some Terats, but i most certainly also don't like the way Utopia treats some of their stars.

Divis Mal probably had it right by saying in the Null Manifesto that until there is a governing body composed entirely of novas, novas shall be governments unto themselves. but that doesn't mean you can go do whatever you want and get Diplomatic Immunity. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE CONSEQUENCES TO YOUR ACTIONS. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE PEOPLE THAT DISAGREE WITH YOU.

THERE ARE NO FREAKING GOOD GUYS. THERE ARE NO BAD GUYS. we're just a bunch of guys trying to figure out what the hell is going on.

I'm sick and Freakin tired of this non-stop lunacy over which nova is better than the other. let's face it. We are equals...in some way shape or form. we don't look alike, we don't act alike and we most certainly don't think alike.

i'm only posting this because i don't want to see Novas as baseline puppets. it's bad enough that most baselines are puppets of other baselines. aren't we supposed to be above that? Terats claim they are a new species above humans, homo sapiens novus, and utopians try to act as the role models for baseline society...

at some point in our existence, will we as a group/species pull our collective heads out of our asses?

[Singularity]

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Originally posted by Archon:
at some point in our existence, will we as a group/species pull our collective heads out of our asses?

Humanity has been organized in societies for over five thousand years and still falls under your rant. You are going to be waiting awhile.

[Archon]

i know.

but, no one here can say it's because they didn't know they were like that.

[Archon]

correction.. WE are like that.

i'm guilty too.

[Ian 'Very Bad' Blakely]

Fuck you, you little pissant bastard. You little fucking screwed up suicide. You don't get to define me. I define myself.

I am glory, I am warfare, I am destruction. You want to change that come and face me you twerp.

I am so sick and tired of you fresh little novas trying to tell me how things are. How about you live a little, experience a little, fucking bleed a little before you deliver your sermons?

You couldn't know the spiritual or the divine. You're too damn thick.

[Charr]

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Originally posted by Franklin 'Singularity' Alden:
You are going to be waiting awhile.

Oh stop being such a lazy fuck. You just got to weed the garden once in a while and not be such a pessimist.

Works for me.

In the meantime, Archon:

<font size="6">Why don't you get your fucking act together first.</font>

First you want a sandwich. Then you want to be a Terat. Then you suck off that posing little Legolas-as-a-goth piece of shit that has no life outside of mooning over the one piece of Japanese-Nova ass he ain't never going to get to tap while begging anyone that will listen for a hand out. Now you want to tell someone how to act?

How about you bear down real hard, make an "O" face and pop your thin shelled noggin out of your ass. Then you can figure out what the fuck you want to do with yourself and god damn well go out and fucking do it.

Then come back here and we can talk.

[ronin]

Not only are all men not created equal, Archon, but they spend the rest of their lives widening the margins.

Your heart's in the right place, but you're wrong.

[Wakinyan]

God forbid you ever be the one who's wrong huh Roro?

[Charr]

Oh, look... the greek chorus arrived. And they're wearing the parakeet costumes. I love the parakeet costumes.

[ronin]

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Originally posted by Totem:
God forbid you ever be the one who's wrong huh Roro?

Totem accusing someone else of not being able to admit that they might be wrong.

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I know, it's irony on a really base level, but you've got to admit, it's a fucking laugh.

[Wakinyan]

See the issue is. I see someone who isn't able to admit someone else might be right. Why don't you scamper off and go brawl with Pax or Mal for a bit. Get your jollies for the day and all that.

[ronin]

When you've had as long as I have to consider these issues, Totem, and arrive at a point where the theories you have developed work for you and appear by all accounts to be nigh-universal truths, then yes, I would say it would be a difficult thing to take the sermonizing of a very young man with relatively no life experience into serious consideration.

We all thought ourselves visionaries as young men, Totem. Then we grow up a bit and find out what the world is like, and hopefully we learn that philosophy and sociology is useless unless it can be practically implemented.

[Wakinyan]

Please forgive me oh wise one. Be sure to let me know when your next sermon on mount will be held.

[Juri 'Salamander' McClendon]

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Originally posted by ronin:
I have the answers for everyone? Franklin, where in the world did you get that idea? I don't even have my own answers, let alone everyone else's. I'm just a traveler, someone trying to figure things out. I've got some ideas, to be sure, but my ideas don't even apply to 999 novas out of 1000.

Originally posted by Franklin 'Singularity' Alden:

Now we are back to my original point. You are full of hubris and assumption, ronin. Your posts carry a consistent undertone of supposed wisdom and understanding, holding it over all of us. Yet when someone calls you on it, you bring up disingenuous self-depreciation and then return to your superior attitude the next post, if not the next paragraph. It is like you hype yourself up as much as you can but throw in that calculated caveat so we cannot hold your attitude against you.

Well, we take all of the above into consideration and I'll put the nail into the coffin with ronin's latest little quip:

When you've had as long as I have to consider these issues, Totem, and arrive at a point where the theories you have developed work for you and appear by all accounts to be nigh-universal truths, then yes, I would say it would be a difficult thing to take the sermonizing of a very young man with relatively no life experience into serious consideration.

We all thought ourselves visionaries as young men, Totem. Then we grow up a bit and find out what the world is like, and hopefully we learn that philosophy and sociology is useless unless it can be practically implemented.

[Jager]

Now, what's the fun of being young if you can't spit on the lives of those who have come before you?

What's the use of living if you can't dump on those who have lived less than you, or continue to ignore those who might know more?

Isn't it best if you learn it for yourself?

Who said, "Find your own Truth?"

[ronin]

What I have found works for me, Juri. I don't necessarily think it works for everyone, but what Archon is preaching is just absurd.

[Jager]

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Originally posted by Archon:
WHY IS THERE CONSTANT DEBATE OVER WHO IS BETTER THAN WHO?

Because at some time your life may well depend on it?

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Originally posted by Archon:
... it struck my final nerve.

Get more nerves.

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Originally posted by Archon:
i'm not gonna get into a huge pseudo-religious debate about ... to say what can be best said by the three words, "It Doesn't Matter"

It matters when someone comes to kill you for your beliefs, or your lack of belief in their cause. Say "hi" to Epoch for me if you chance to meet him.

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Originally posted by Archon:
i don't necessarily agree with the acts of violence attributed to some Terats, but i most certainly also don't like the way Utopia treats some of their stars.

What level of violence do you agree with?
How should Utopia treat their 'stars'?

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Originally posted by Archon:
THERE WILL ALWAYS BE CONSEQUENCES TO YOUR ACTIONS. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE PEOPLE THAT DISAGREE WITH YOU.

Atta boy.

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Originally posted by Archon:
THERE ARE NO FREAKING GOOD GUYS. THERE ARE NO BAD GUYS. we're just a bunch of guys trying to figure out what the hell is going on.

No, and hell no. There are evil sonsabitches out there, and there are people will give you their last cup of rice if you need it. Keep believing that the whole world is pragmatic and you will die with that 'How did this happen' look on you face.

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Originally posted by Archon:
... We are equals...in some way shape or form. we don't look alike, we don't act alike and we most certainly don't think alike.

Okay. You are entitled to your opinions. I feel there will come a time when you really don't feel that everyone is your equal. Give it time.

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Originally posted by Archon:
i'm only posting this because i don't want to see Novas as baseline puppets. it's bad enough that most baselines are puppets of other baselines. aren't we supposed to be above that? Terats claim they are a new species above humans, homo sapiens novus, and utopians try to act as the role models for baseline society...

Puppets? Why do you assume that the node comes with a new and improved backbone, or some insight into new possibilities? That is what the brain is for. Use it.
Look at it from this way: Baselines, our forebears, are social animals. That requires some to subjegate their will to another. Not everyone can, or should, lead.
Are novas any better? We shall see.
Realizing that we may not be social animals is a good first step.

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Originally posted by Archon:
at some point in our existence, will we as a group/species pull our collective heads out of our asses?

Maybe ... when there are only two of us left.

[Archon]

and now that everyone is all riled up, we come to the point.

not a single one of us knows who is right.

[Sakurako Hino]

Archon, it takes longer to find the truth than it does to find a spot on a map.

Quite frankly, I don't think I should try to follow a certain point anymore.

[ronin]

Well, Archon, at best we can really only figure it out for ourselves, which is sort of what everyone has been driving against with their collective chorus of "Hey Archon, what the fuck are you thinking?"

You should do what works for you, Archon, and if believing what you wrote up there is what works for you, then by all means, do so. But you do so at your own peril (and it is great, in my opinion), and it's foolish to try and impose your personal findings upon other novas, especially when you are very young and inexperienced when put up against some of the people you preach at.

One thing I'd like to point out, though, Archon, that I think you should give some consideration; the idea of Democracy is a joke, especially amongst novas. We weren't born equal, we didn't erupt equally, we don't develop equally and we don't live equally. We're not "all the same", and there most certainly are "good guys" and "bad guys". And if you have trouble digesting that, I think you just need to get out more and meet some more people. The world is not Kansas.

[Machina]

Clearly, Archon, I have not abused you enough.

Did you want a job or not, you fucking girl?

[Sakurako Hino]

Ronin, something tells me he was raised with the concept of "No true good or evil, only shades of gray". Quite frankly, you cannot have gray without White or Black. In order to know where you stand in the world, you must have some concept of Good and Evil.

Sadly, They tend to overlap and confuse people. That's why some people fall in between.

[Archon]

yeah, gimme a job, you half man pathetic excuse for a can opener.

and, I don't believe any of it anymore. but i got most of you thinking, and for one instant, everyone of you was united. All of you said, "Archon, what the fuck, and who the fuck are you?"

so, after seeing that, the abuse i'm gonna get from this is worth it. we can agree on things.

[Machina]

I told you, junior, come to NYC and we'll see what we can do for you.

[Archon]

alright then,

i have a feeling Seattle is getting a bit too hot anyway...

[Hugin]

Archon, while I am sure you will find this warning reactionary and paranoid I personally feel it is a good idea. You are in another world right now. You may not think that you or we are gods. Fine. Some do however and may find your attitude the basest of blasphemies. Or you may simply respond smugly to someone who no longer has any sort of impulse control. What I am saying is you are treading on an argument that is enormously emotional, and you are arguing with some people who do not deal with with those emotions. People who do not simply throw a punch when the argument becomes too heated, but people who will throw mountains. Please keep this in mind.

[Epicenter]

Wow.

Not touching that one.

[Sakurako Hino]

James is right. Don't call the lightning if you don't expect to reap the whirlwind.

[Archon]

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Originally posted by James 'Prodigy' Meehan:
Archon, while I am sure you will find this warning reactionary and paranoid I personally feel it is a good idea.

what's a good idea?

now let's see, if everyone is so offended by the fact that i'm said what i said, then i'm sorry.
Sorry that my opinion is worth nothing to all you people.

what's said is said. If Very Bad wants to kick my ass into next week, then that's fine. i'm not dodging the consequences.

but i'd like all of you to know, you aren't my mothers/fathers. and i know most of you are trying to act in my best interest, but i'm a slow learner...and maybe, just maybe i need to get my head smashed in to get the point across.

[Lemmy Chillmeister]

Aw shit. Another newb acting all Captain Superior.

Hey Archon, how the fuck are you doing you whiney little loser fuck? Thanks for popping in and telling us all how to live our lives. Now fuck off you pussy.

[Menagerie]

The only comment that I can make here concerns the "who is better debate".

The answer is we aren't all equal. Each of us being highly individual and often specialized, everyone of us can completely decimate all others within our field of expertise, be that whatever it may be: chess, temporal combat, athletic prowess, theoretical incarnation, or the manly art of fisticuffs/quantum bolts of destruction.

I'll agree with Archon that a verbal debate of our skills is fairly nihilistic. Then again, it does help boost sales, doesn't it?

[DigiGeist]

Yawn

Same arguement, different day, bigger pile, smaller shovel.