Danny Newman Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 With the world so full of supermen that change the course of mighty rivers and re green the wastelands of the world I wonder if there is still place for the good works of mankind? Even project utopia is nothing without the work of those novas who shouldered the hardship. What does a mortal like me have to hope for in this life? Will I ever be able to reach an achievement that will outshine the works of those node blessed individuals? Or have we become just the cogs in the great quantum wheel of life? And if so does human life have any value anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vox Via Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Danny, you are on the right track. It is a sad time to live as a human. I do not know what I can do to make humans feel their efforts have the same impact of those of novas. Humans do wonders everyday. Novas simply do brighter ones. I wish I could relate to you more on this problem. Hell, I would love to be in a world where everyone is equal and no one would have to think of this problem. The fact is we don’t live in that world, and the only ways I can see of making human wonders being looked upon in awe is if Novas lowered the levels of their own wonders, or Novas and Humans no longer lived together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugin Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Mr. Newman, you can hope to achieve your potential. You can strive to further the bounds of human achievement. You can create what no human has imagined or dared hope for. But no, you have no chance of outstriping the Novas of the world in whatever their field of interest is. For that I am truly sorry.That being said I would like to inform you this is a forum for Novas to discuss a variety of topics with other Novas. It is not a zoo or some random OpNet Chatroom where you can shoot questions at the erupted. If you have been tested and are latent there are those here who can offer you advice. If you are truly a baseline, this is not the place for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metropolis Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Human achievement led to the creation of cities. Which led to the creation of me. So a lot can be said about human achievement. You ain't never gonna be able to bench press no pick-up truck. Or shoot nega-beams out your ass. Or maybe you'll never paint with the precision of a novas fingers. Like Prodigy says, "you have no chance of outstripping the Novas of the world in whatever their field of interest is. For that I am truly sorry." The best think I think a human can achieve, is to become one of us. So in a sense, human achievement is the greatest accomplishment of all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Stewart: TAG Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 I can skip a stone across the globe, circling the world fifteen times, and have it come to rest on the moon. On a good morning anyway and what I did this very morning. Sound pretty awesome? To me it does. Mine was the head produced the thought, the hand that threw the stone, and the node that opened the way. Iridium Information Systems (IIR) built the machine that helped me at the throw so that's probably nova too. Here's the thing though. I coudn't have done it without humanities part in putting together an information network that spans the world and reaches to the edge of deep space.I don't know about outshining nova achievement. I never really thought about that much. I do know there's what you can do, what I can do, and then there's what we can do working together. I think human life has value and what we can do together will outshine everything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronin Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 There's a lot to be said for a "normal" human life, Danny. Being a nova brings with it a whole new set of problems and headaches. Some people are content to be janitors because they know their place in the world and, even if it isn't glamorous or unique or well-paying, it makes them happy and it serves its purpose. Ask yourself what you'd do with your powers if you were a nova. Then realize that you can do whatever it is, anyway. You've just got to earn it, which is a lot more than most novas can say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastian Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 I have baselines who perform many useful tasks for me, some of them quiet important. I find that when they are loyal, rewarded, and work hard, they can be quiet important to our lives.That being said, I don't equate any number of baseline lives or existances to one nova's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David 'Dr. Troll' Smith Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Quote:Bastian:I don't equate any number of baseline lives or existances to one nova's. Novas have a big economic impact on the world... but the bulk of economic activity is still baseline. They pay most of the taxes, they buy the most goods, i.e. most of the GNP of the big nations is baseline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronin Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Well, thank the gods above for that, Troll. I don't know what I'd do if the cultural infrastructure of Deutscheland collapsed.You know. Because I'm so dependent on it. Being a nova. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David 'Dr. Troll' Smith Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 I sense sarcasm.Do you mow your own lawn? Grow your own food? Make your own electronics? Use a telephone? A computer?Who do you think built the circuts for the computer you are using to post here? How were they paid? Is your image being sold at any of the Divis Malls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charr Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 The mighty Doctor Troll, scourge of zips across the world worries for the sake of nova kind where they'll get to satiate their biological imperatives for mcnuggets, making the cover of lawn and garden monthly or calling their mommies.BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!And they say you're a humorless moron. Wait til I tell this to all the other other insurance salesmen around the water cooler. Oh wait! I'm not an insurance salesman. I keep telling 'em it is SO much easier with these idiots playing for the other side but does anyone believe me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Stewart: TAG Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Its not about economics or who can do without what. Its about reaching potential.Is the idea so difficult to understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Newman Posted August 13, 2004 Author Share Posted August 13, 2004 Oh screw economics!, You people could run the world so much better than the morons we morons elect. Why don't you guys revolt and take the reigns? I would help. Democracy started failing near twenty years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Newman Posted August 13, 2004 Author Share Posted August 13, 2004 Oh and about the zoo thingI am sorry this wild animal running around in your playground is threatening everyone. I will be sure not to bite or get my flees everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Preston Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Quote:Originally posted by Danny Newman: With the world so full of supermen that change the course of mighty rivers and re green the wastelands of the world I wonder if there is still place for the good works of mankind?Sure. There is no act greater than showing kindness to another human being. I am damn serious about this.Quote:Originally posted by Danny Newman:Even project utopia is nothing without the work of those novas who shouldered the hardship.But, the motivation for this is universal. It is the desire of those who can do something, to do it for the betterment of all, and not just themselves. It is a sentiment shared by both baseline and nova.Quote:Originally posted by Danny Newman:What does a mortal like me have to hope for in this life? Will I ever be able to reach an achievement that will outshine the works of those node blessed individuals?Only you can find a purpose for your life, Danny. If you want to live in hopelessness, so be it. If you live a live of total competition, you will eventually lose. There is always someone who is better.I grew up with a nova for a father. We did things together and it was never competative. He taught me to be the best me I could be. I was my own benchmark for success in life. My happiness in what I could accomplish, the goals I set for myself, and the path I took to get there.Sure, I knew there were novas in the world. I wanted to be a doctor, but not so that I could compete with nova doctors. I wanted to be the best that I could be.Since my eruption, guess what? There are still novas out there that put my gifts to shame. Does this fill me with hopelessness? No. I am still striving to be the best nova healer I can be. I still set my own levels of success. I am not competing with anyone. It isn't what I am about.Quote:Originally posted by Danny Newman:Or have we become just the cogs in the great quantum wheel of life? And if so does human life have any value anymore? Yes, all life still has value.You are only a cog in the great wheel if you accept that to be your place in life.Maybe I can't relate because I always had a strong sense of self-worth. Becoming a nova didn't change that, and didn't give that to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Newman Posted August 14, 2004 Author Share Posted August 14, 2004 Thanks Doc, your words are uplifting. I used to work for these people and they really did a good job at showing you how all were was another piece of the puzzle, another pawn on the board. I know that even for all the great works of the novas, there is still those who would do without them. Beacause they are frightened by what you could do if you really took action. They are frightened enough to try and kill you all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian 'Very Bad' Blakely Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 You can be as good a man as you can be. That's it. Sorry if you were hoping for more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Newman Posted August 14, 2004 Author Share Posted August 14, 2004 I am trying to be a good man, are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronin Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 Troll.I don't own a lawn, nor do I have a home. I also do not eat, but if I felt so inclined and could not simply buy food, I could kill and provide for myself. I tend not to use telephones, as I have no need of them. As for the OpNet, clearly, I use them, else I would not be here. But without them? Meh. It would not be the first time.I'm off the grid, Troll. Any more questions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Newman Posted August 14, 2004 Author Share Posted August 14, 2004 Are you ready, Ronan? Are you ready to tear down what is and build a better world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronin Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 I have no interest in "tearing down what is", Daniel. I am content to leave your world, warts and all, to you and your baseline kin. However, I'll not be leaving until I can take the bulk of my kin with me. When the opportunity arises, I will take it gladly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Newman Posted August 14, 2004 Author Share Posted August 14, 2004 So you want togo out into space and be all Battlestar Galactica? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronin Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 I want my brothers and sister to live autonomously in a land they can call their own. We will need considerable space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David 'Dr. Troll' Smith Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 ronin: I don't own a lawn, nor do I have a home.Your loss.ronin: I also do not eat, but if I felt so inclined and could not simply buy food, I could kill and provide for myself.So any nova who wants to reach his potential needs to be able to do one or the other? Does that apply to children and the one's who haven't erupted yet?ronin: I'm off the grid, Troll.Again, your loss, and perhaps ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronin Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 Troll.The more I lose, the more I gain. I've not been a homeless vagabond my whole life. I know I'm not missing much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Stewart: TAG Posted August 15, 2004 Share Posted August 15, 2004 Not much? Just a whole world.I think both side of this argument are pretty limited. Lucky for me there's a third choice. Be a part of the world and take joy in giving a push up or a hand to reach down and pull someone else up.If nothing else, every day is different. I won't be getting bored any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Preston Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 I couldn't agree more, TAG. If we want to help out, we should be free to do so, shouldn't we?If we chose to do our own thing, and live apart, we should be free to do that as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakurako Hino Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Quote:Originally posted by Danny Newman: So you want togo out into space and be all Battlestar Galactica? While the concept is intriguing, the trip would be a short one. All we need to find is a planet first to colonize. One without sentient life. Plants and Animals are fine, just nothing on the level of a human being to pollute their society.If you're looking for a better correlative, Star Trek would be a better comparison. Prime Directive and all.I also have to agree with Neil's thoughts. We should be free to do as we will as long as nobody is harmed in the process. Of course, the last bit is questionible since whatever anyone does somehow harms someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Stewart: TAG Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Affects them or harms them?Good intentions may not count for a lot but there's a big difference between the two don't you think?I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakurako Hino Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 True, but then again, when humanity starts expecting us to be there every time they spill milk, then there is a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashnod Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 Quote:Originally posted by Sakurako Hino: True, but then again, when humanity starts expecting us to be there every time they spill milk, then there is a problem. Very good, Sakura-chan, very good indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Newman Posted August 18, 2004 Author Share Posted August 18, 2004 So instead of being there for humanity, you want to leave and go elsewhere, is that it? Because we ask too much? I wonder if the next step of evolution will feel the same for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashnod Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 Quote:Originally posted by Danny Newman: So instead of being there for humanity, you want to leave and go elsewhere, is that it? Because we ask too much? I wonder if the next step of evolution will feel the same for you? Help offered or help requested does not represent a problem.Help expected or help required on the other hand do.Please, do not mistake one for the other, Mr. Newman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Newman Posted August 18, 2004 Author Share Posted August 18, 2004 That is the differance between a good man and a bad one to me, but everyone has a little help they could use, one time or another. I think when you are done with any help, you are done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastian Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Danny, what can you do to help us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Newman Posted August 20, 2004 Author Share Posted August 20, 2004 Hopefully get you to help yourselves. I know that the shadows have a way of striking back at things that make them feel inferior and I know a few of their plans. They have sleeper agents that do not even know that they still serve. There will be a Judas to the one race and she does not even suspect that they still have hooks in her. Watch for the shadows, ladies and gentlemen, because they carry death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Stewart: TAG Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 ...Thanks Danny. ...You should probably correct the spelling of "because" in your signature line. No big, just thought you might be interestedA little paranoia still goes a long way. I mean a really, really, really long way. In case you wanted to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Preston Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 And the point of this would be?Maybe, to get us all wondering who the Judas was, and start suspecting one another?Danny, some of us have real concerns to worry about. I'm not playing world-games. I take it one person, and one situation, at a time.Take care of yourself. If you are for real, I think you would be pissing someone off. If not, I suggest developing your talent for fiction into a writing career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apep Posted August 21, 2004 Share Posted August 21, 2004 Danny, be certain you are aware of the consequences of losing this game you play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Craft Posted August 22, 2004 Share Posted August 22, 2004 "There will be a Judas to the one race ..."Guess what, buddy. If novas attempt to take over the earth, as you are so loudly promoting, there's going to be a hell of a lot more than one of us who will 'betray the One Race.' And they won't even need Utopian brainwashing techniques (or whatever the hell you're implying) to be convinced to do so. Fact of the matter is, us gods are an unruly and disorganized bunch, and we'll always be coming out on different sides of the ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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