Wakinyan Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 Hearing everyone rant and bicker about who is in the right makes me realize that this whole issue is free will. Everyone chooses where they want to be. The Utopians choose to be there. The Terats choose to be where they are. Some say one side or the other is being brainwashed but let's face it. Most of us want to be where we are. Because if we didn't we all have the power to change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understudy Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 Choice implies freedom, and for a choice to free it has to be informed. If I gave you choice between two door. I told you that behind one door their was happiness and the other death and you trusted me. You would not have a choice. And if I have lied you would have even less.Utopia do not offer a choice they offer lies and slavary. I will not tell anyone what to believe, I will tell anyone what is right. At times I will even not tell people the truth (but I will not lie) I will offer people the choice I help in what way I can for them to make the one they believe is the right. I will not blame them for taking different roads and I will not turn them away if they change their minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matryoshka Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 The only truth in "Understudies" statement end ends when "Utopia".Starts.I could go into it, but I will say this, please leave you propaganda at the door. Unless one wishes to dive into a place we have all been way to many times.I think Totem is pointing out,that we as people are unlikely to change our views based off posts in a opnet site.I do not think anyone I would want to fallow me would do so because what I do here.No,Utopian nova is going to go,oh my this guy on the forum totally knows everything, let me go to the cult of divis mal, right now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 Totem, if you ever want to just sit down and shoot the shit, let me know. Sometimes the first step is realizing that there is alot of shit in this world we have to deal with as people.So Understudy, any specifics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakinyan Posted March 31, 2004 Author Share Posted March 31, 2004 Sure I'd love to Jager.. Atop of the big white heads of Rushmore is a great place to crack open a beer truck and do some heavy thinking. Trust me I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Preston Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 Understudy, one thing that really gets to me is the people that don't want to know. They seem happier with a closed mind, and a narrow mindset. Never having been a believer that ignorance was bliss, I find this discouraging in a group that has such a chance at real enlightenment.Totem, right on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charr Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 I knew there was a reason I liked you, Neil. Never a single Hallmark card quote from you. Send your old man a hello from me.You still owe me time for that talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understudy Posted April 1, 2004 Share Posted April 1, 2004 Jager did you have a question in mind? If you did I will do my best to answer it.A closed mind, is in general closed to the evil of the hand that feeds it. Sometimes the hand makes a better meal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted April 2, 2004 Share Posted April 2, 2004 Totem, been wrapping up some business. How does the Sunday look for you?Understudy, what level of freedom are you talking about? In my experience, people are least free from themselves, and that may not be such a bad thing.If a nova wants to strive to make the world a better place, and they chose PU for their venue, more power to them. They are making an informed choice, within their capabilities.If someone joins the Teragen because they are frightened by Aberrancy Syndrome, and they are looking for a cure, they are making a bad call.IMHO, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakinyan Posted April 2, 2004 Author Share Posted April 2, 2004 Sounds good to me Jager. I will look into 'borrowing' some beer from up in Rapid City. If you have any trouble getting out there let me know. Shouldn't be to hard since it's a national monument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted April 2, 2004 Share Posted April 2, 2004 I will try for 9-ish. I like it when there is still that crispness in the morning air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigiGeist Posted April 3, 2004 Share Posted April 3, 2004 Hmm. Cracking open some beer in the middle of the great outdoors. I envy you guys. Seriously. But, seeing that your little session in the Black Hills might be private, I won't poke my head in.Unless you're inviting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakinyan Posted April 3, 2004 Author Share Posted April 3, 2004 If you want to come just let me know. It's not like the heads of the great white fathers is my property. I will warn however if to many of us gather up there we might draw attention. I usually just lounge up there and sunbathe all day since I can just blend into the rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understudy Posted April 3, 2004 Share Posted April 3, 2004 Jager, on one level I agree with you. Nova who make informed choices should have those choices respected. As each Nova has different set of values then each Nova with the same information is likely to find a different answer. Some of the answers some Nova's find will oppose the answers of other Novas, and this is the nature of conflict. Some Novas my see there solution as better than another Novas or see another Nova's solution as harmful to them or harmful to what they care about.They will then be driven to defend their choices. Sad as it maybe, a peaceful defence may not always be an option. The Teragen has less control over its press then Utopia and other human groups. You are right and I wouldn't advise people to join to the Teragen to cure their backlash. I might suggest to some that there are elements in the Teragen that would have more sympathy then general humanity to their state and could offer some help to them understanding themselves. I do not support Novas making informed choices and I also support my view. I hold that Novas and humanity can co-exist without one causing suffering and harm to the other. I hold this as being more important than making informed choices but I still do my best to inform people to guide them, as they would let to a better understanding. After all I might be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matryoshka Posted April 3, 2004 Share Posted April 3, 2004 Understudy, I think you made a mistake, in the point you were trying to make. "I do not support Novas...." I think you meant "I do support Novas".I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understudy Posted April 3, 2004 Share Posted April 3, 2004 Signy Malory you are quite right. Proving that even Novas can make mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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