Jake Cosmos Stafford Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 I have look around this board for a while and haven't found anything like this so I ask the question. A shapeshifter can become anything they want to be. Some of us can stay it for well until we change into something else. Has anyone spent any significant time as another life form. Note the Nova/baseline thing, but dolphin, blue whale, snake, etc? And if so have they interacted with any society of other creatures? I'm thinking of giving it a shot but want to know what others have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essex Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 I have, well sort of. In my ongoing quest to find myself I've tried to live as a variety of different life forms. The real problem is my ability to change shape doesn't give me any communicative (is that even a word?) abilites. Within minutes the pack/herd/whatever was able to somehow "sense" that I was different or not natural or something. Never piss of a herd of Elephants, that's all I gotta say!Oh, hi guys, I know it's been a few months but I'm back. Still no luck with my original problem though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugin Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 I did spend some time in a form quite dissimilar to my everyday appearance. It was....interesting.I learned some interesting things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastian Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 A problem would occur to me in this quest, brothers and sisters;Even if you could mimic every aspect of a creature, you would still maintain the ability to step outside that creatures life at your whim.What horror would a pack of killer whales hold for a nova pretending to be a whale. Having been apart of such an experience, I can't see a nova sacrificing themselves willing for the experience of being the prey.You may look like a seed, but are you going to wait a century to grow into a mighty teak? Are you going to let the fires, or the woodsman's axe consume you? The very fact that you can chose to seperate yourselves from the events alters the experience.Being someone of a modicum of mental experience, I can say that I have never heard of a nova completely loosing themselves to the experience so much they couldn't come out.There is always the first time though.Now, if one of you would like to experiment with this, I could shutdown parts of your minds while you were in a transformed state while you lived the life, unaware of what you truly were. Not that I expect any takers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Cosmos Stafford Posted March 3, 2004 Author Share Posted March 3, 2004 If I didn't have some pressing responsibilities I'd take you up on that offer. I need to be able to remember who I am. I play at being human at times living in their world even though I am not one of them. What morally is the difference playing at being a whale. Plus what new perspective could I gain on societies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longboard Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 okay okay its like this... I am cool. I cant jst pretend to be nerdy one day and truly get an accurate POV of such. I cant help BUT be cool. unless you could actually shut thiose experiences and memories down. Or be on badass actor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakurako Hino Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 I am able to to that, by experiencing things through the sensors and circuitry of a drone. I am able to experience what it'd be like to be an AI inside a technological shell. Cold. Analytical. Logical. You'd understand why I do not do this all the time, with any machinery.If machines ever gained intellignce, woe be to the world.That, and my greatest fear lies in the fact that I do not want to lose myself inside the heart of the machine. It's too alien. Even for I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Cosmos Stafford Posted March 4, 2004 Author Share Posted March 4, 2004 Longboard the thing is Bastian and others like him can shut down parts of your mind for you, or put up walls between the past and the present. It can be quite illuminating just make sure you trust the person doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essex Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 And make sure they know how to bring you back. Being something of a Telepath myself, I understand the danger and difficulty of what Bastian proposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakinyan Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 I live my life as a animal but don't really have a society to live among since I think I am the only member of my species that isn't in a fairy tale. I'll have to pass on the deep immersion. I know what being an animal is like since it naws at me every moment of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longboard Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 You ever see that old flick star trek something or other. th one with the creepy guy that takes away the pain. He ends up holding everyone in his thrall, because they cant rememebr thier painful experiences that make them who they are. even if you could per se, change someone to look a c ertain way, and block out their past memories, youd have an even bigger problem.. kinda like a blind dude, who regains his sight. he still cant read. Its kinda like Plato's cave syndrome. You block out the simplest things in youre past to experience new ones, and you STILL wouldnt get the actual effect of treu, honest experience. Its the fatal flaw that Mystique still has to deal with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakurako Hino Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 Actually, although I don't think she acts like a Kitsune, Vixen does resemble a developing anthromorphic one. As for another old friend of mine of strange body configuration... I doubt you'll be hearing from her, she's somewhere between Hawaii and a temple somewhere in Tibet. Something about becoming one with one's self or something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 You didn't kill her? After her betrayal, I was curious to what avenue you would take.Longboard, the truth can be over-rated. While I have never actually been killed (as I have always gotten better, so far), but I have come close enough to say I've experienced it.Totem, I don't know if this is any comfort, but you are not fighting with the animal within you. You are fighting with yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakinyan Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 That doesn't comfort me. That scares the shit out of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashnod Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 Quote:Originally posted by Longboard: Its the fatal flaw that Mystique still has to deal with. Unless you are speaking of a Nova with that name that I'm unaware of...Mystique is a character in a comic book written by baseline authors who have no personal experience in the matter we are discussing nor have any way of accurately hypothesizing what being a shapeshifter would be like, and as such, cannot be used as a defense or a foundation for any argument concerning real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Cosmos Stafford Posted March 5, 2004 Author Share Posted March 5, 2004 Quote:Originally posted by Totem: That doesn't comfort me. That scares the shit out of me. You are what you are. I would say that we are all of your species though Novas as it were. Embrace your new self, learn your limits, and find out who you truly are now. It's easier for you to see that your not human anymore than it is for some of us who can still fake it. On a personal note I would like to add a suggestion. Don't ever live in fear of yourself. You won't like the actions that come out of that mindset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakinyan Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 So I am what I am. I need to accept that. I shouldn't fight against the urge to slice someone's head off just because they are somewhere I don't want them to be or they aggravate me because they are wearing aftershave that bothers my nose, I should wash myself in their blood just to get rid of the smell? Since I haven't been with a woman since I erupted I should go out and rape because of all the pent up frustration and overwhelming urges that run through my brain? I was told to not call myself a monster and I haven't since then. I try to view myself in a positive light. Letting myself go to the thing that paces in a cage at the back of my brain is not what I am anywhere near ready to do. Everytime it starts getting bad I just sink my talons into my paw and let the pain distract me. If I lose myself all I become is a hunted animal. I'll just wind up a griffin rug on the floor in front of some Elite or Team Tomorrow's fireplace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Cosmos Stafford Posted March 5, 2004 Author Share Posted March 5, 2004 Quote:Originally posted by Totem: So I am what I am. I need to accept that. I shouldn't fight against the urge to slice someone's head off just because they are somewhere I don't want them to be or they aggravate me because they are wearing aftershave that bothers my nose, I should wash myself in their blood just to get rid of the smell? Since I haven't been with a woman since I erupted I should go out and rape because of all the pent up frustration and overwhelming urges that run through my brain? I'd say that accepting what you are doesn't mean that you need to maim and kill. You need to accept what you are before you can decide what you want to become. You still have control, that's part of who and what you are to. I don't know how others would advise you about your impulses, but for my 2 cents the pent up rage and frustration are the enemy. Their their because your mad at who and what you are. Your urges are to kill. Ok go a ways away from everyone and look deeply at those urges. Are they something that is part if your makeup now? Your evolution may have made that the case, but they may also be your anger and frustration talking. When you know what you are right now, what part of you that you can't change and what's not then you can begin to take real control of your life again. Accepting what are is not a writ for mass murder, it's the only way to control your life. You can't be other than you are. It's scary but it's your life now, take control of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Preston Posted March 6, 2004 Share Posted March 6, 2004 Totem, I might be able to help you. Would you like to meet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakinyan Posted March 6, 2004 Share Posted March 6, 2004 If your going to be in Chicago on Monday you should come down and watch the XWF match. If not I can meet some other time. I just don't like being in big crowds I get nervous for obvious reasons. I know... Going to a XWF game with thousands in attendance is not the best idea but I really need that money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted March 6, 2004 Share Posted March 6, 2004 Yep ... the ole need for the green drives us to do some odd things. Don't worry about it, Totem. Many of us have done odder, wierder, and downright disgusting things for less. No matter how bad it gets, live and learn.You can destroy all the audio-visual evidence later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Cosmos Stafford Posted March 6, 2004 Author Share Posted March 6, 2004 I don't approve of the XWF on principal but as I've never been and am curious as to what they are really like I'll catch the match. Remember not just thousands in attendance, but hundreds of thousands on the opnet watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugin Posted March 6, 2004 Share Posted March 6, 2004 Totem, if you ever get a chance to talk to a young lady by the name of Apep you should jump at the opportunity. I think she could enlighten you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longboard Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 True, the truth sucks. You can BS a BS'er though. Like on TV when they show CPR scenes, anyone who ACTUAlly knows CPR will tell you its BS. same thing with trying to experience life as something else. just becasue you are experiencing the day to day experiences fo somethign ewlse for a time, ask anyone of that race or whatever, and theyll tell you youre full of schiza for even suggesting that you are getting the true feelings.Art imitates life. My argument is this: a shapeshifter can not ever, ACtually exprerience the ACTUAL feelings, and deep emotions that would come from actually being that tyype of person. Thats like almost saying a cross dressing male knows what its like to be a woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Cosmos Stafford Posted March 13, 2004 Author Share Posted March 13, 2004 O they could I just don't want to go that far. You could scan someone's mind and build up a copy of that in your own mind, then copy their body but theres no way I'd want to go quite that far. Try not to use the word can't when talking about Nova's. We can really do just about anything, and quantum theory seems to suggest that a sufficiently power full Nova could do anything. So nothing is impossible some things are just a whole lot more likely than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Cherry Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 When it comes to people, the individual,and culture has more to do with the outcome of the said personal than either, "race" or "gender". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakinyan Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 Apep? Isn't she the one who killed all those people on that talk show? I am not sure if she'd be a good role model for me, part of me might like her to much.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastian Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 Longboard, I disagree. A close friend of mine has lost all sense of gender identity. When she is a female, she is female in every way. When he is a male, he is male in every way. The node knows no gender.A shapeshifter that allowed him/herself to become completely immersed, and had their higher functions rendered temporarily unreachable, could become that creature. The higher order creatures are the hardest to "become", as they often think in different ways. Try being a porpoise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Cosmos Stafford Posted March 15, 2004 Author Share Posted March 15, 2004 I have to agree with Bastion on this one I have found that when I change my gender it has some disconcerting effect on my social life. Thats about as far as I need to go on that one.As to the statement on culture, we need so overcome our baseline culture. We are Novas's now and our host culture really doesn't have the proper tools for us. It can't accept us and any rules it tried to make for us wouldn't really work. Our abilities and our very forms, I'd say bodies but some of us no longer have them defy our old culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longboard Posted March 18, 2004 Share Posted March 18, 2004 ok bastian thats cool. weird and icky but cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Preston Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Longboard, beneath the subatomic, we are all quantum ....Was that Zen, or just crap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speed Angel Posted March 19, 2004 Share Posted March 19, 2004 Crap but the dividing line betwixt the two is the question asked not the statement spoken.It is a matter of form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longboard Posted March 22, 2004 Share Posted March 22, 2004 okay, then if you BECAME that creature, would you still be aware that you are a nova? If so... then this is the untrue experience that Im talkin about dude. If not... Then you will not be able to be aware to change yourself back. Hope you like Herring. Other than that, unless youve got a freind that can turn those processes back on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charr Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 It astounds me that so many of you overlook the obvious. Or never think to question the line of shit Herr Yoo-pee is peddling in their sterilization clinics/You all are a different race from the one you lived most of your lives as. You thought you were monkeys and then erupted to have it proven you weren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understudy Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 Understanding and actually being are different. It is possible to understand much about being or particular race or creature however experiencing life as a different creature is a different thing. What ever you become you will always be yourself. It is possible to hide it and perhaps even to repress it. At this point we come the question what does it mean to be something else. Quite often people say that is impossible to truly be of another gender, another race or Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charr Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 Just so, Understudy. The very point I've been making forever, homie.We ain't zips and they ain't novas. It don't get much simpler but look at how much effort supposedly intelligent novas will put into trying to duck that little fact. Damn shame too. Nothing wrong with being a duck if you really are one of the little quackers but a man insisting he was one would be treated like the pathetic little bundle of idiocy he is.What use to "always being yourself" when you're pretending to be a 3 kilo bundle of feathers? Or a 100 kilos of hairless monkey meat for that matter. Fucking amazes me Bastian doesn't get down and dirty with more abandon than he does. Or that Prodigy doesn't give the zips a taste of their own Yoo-pee sponsored shit. I bet every nodeless bag of meat screams "genocide" inside of a week when the chain's around their neck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understudy Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 ....animal however (sorry charr slight problem with my terminal) but most people do not say that for logic reasons but because such ideas are part of how they identify themselves. Challenges such ideas makes people afraid that if such ideas are flexible then maybe they are less important. By challenging these idea you are challenging them.What is gender? Growing up as women in a society where genders are so differently and well defined? A set of genes that shape your body. It is possible for a Nova to experience both and have both. Nova's can and do go beyond human ways of identifying themselves that is because such methods can not be used to identity Nova because they are not human. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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