Charr Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Here.Now.You and me.Let's start with Eden, you lying sack of shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matryoshka Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Charr, I have some challenges to you.Tell me how killing Zipps that step out line will stop nova hate crimes.Tell me in your own words why it is good for your club to push themselves as hard as they want,yet wrong for those who are not in it?Why can your club members do anything they want,but other's can't?If you answer these, you may gain something that has no price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmy Chillmeister Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Quote:Originally posted by Signy Malory: If you answer these, you may gain something that has no price. Ah hell Siggy, why not just go all out and start calling him Grasshopper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matryoshka Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Becuase unlike him Grasshopers have place in this world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmy Chillmeister Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 If he ain't got no place, why the hell are you getting all Sensei on him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matryoshka Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Becuase, to be blunt,I am thinking of weather not he should live or die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmy Chillmeister Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Excuse me? Based on the way he answers a question you're going to decide on whether to waste his ass or not?Now, I know we ain't tight, but I have to ask.WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?!?!?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David 'Dr. Troll' Smith Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 She didn't say she was going to kill him. Its just a guess, but knowing how precogs work she is just deciding whether or not to tell him how not to get killed. Not quite the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmy Chillmeister Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Dude, having been incarcerated on one or two occasions prior to getting brainchubby and having been involved in more meetings with my goddamn lawyers than I like to think about I've had a couple of things pounded into my skull.This is one of them.If you know about something that will kill some poor motherfucker and you fail to make any effort to let them know, that is Depraved Indifference. That can get your ass put away.The fact that Siggy is always spouting off about how she knows every fucking thing under the sun pretty much makes her guilty of that every single day. If she loves baselines and their laws so much why isn't she in fucking jail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matryoshka Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Because my abilities are not legally binding.In case you are wondering,I could tell the times of death down too the minute for 13,753,829 people.Isn't the world a lovely place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakurako Hino Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Signy, by acting on your precognitions, aren't you the trigger for them to become reality? What gave you the right to be the deciding variable in probability? What foresight do you have to be the X factor? What you have is something that is more reserved for a deity, not a mortal Nova. And yes, Novas are mortals. We can bleed, we can hurt, and we can die. At least, a substantial number can from my experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matryoshka Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 What gives you the right to say what should be divine,and not mundane?What gives you the right to judge me?You shatter,and destroy countless lives every day.Everyone does.I simply see the waves I make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakurako Hino Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Signy, what makes me able to differentiate between Kami and Novas is simple. Kami are not Humans or Novas. They're spirits. They don't exist in our plane of existance. If someone is working their will here, they're either a Nova, or a powerful sorceror. And I doubt that sorcerors exist. Second, Yes, I know about the butterfly effect. It's a popular theory in chaos based mathematics. Simply by my ovserving, I change an outcome. It's the nature of quantum mechanics. But your DIRECT influence on events makes YOU the deciding factor. Not the subject of your scrying. Say what you wil, but I believe that this is a violation of a sentient's right to free will and to make their own choices in life when someone steps in and controls their destiny.I can only give advice, or warn someone of impending trouble. I do not interfere if they don't heed my warning. Of course if I am there, and it's within my ability, I will save a life, not take it like the thought you entertained.You scare me. One who is willing to take a life, and entertains the thought, should be feared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charr Posted January 9, 2004 Author Share Posted January 9, 2004 Quote:Originally posted by Signy Malory: Charr, I have some challenges to you.I'm sorry but I didn't order a delivery of stupid, hot or otherwise. Maybe you wanted the yoo-pee's next door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charr Posted January 9, 2004 Author Share Posted January 9, 2004 Endeavor, Chilmeister and (fuck me, even) Troll:It's a waste of your time, novas. I've met one or two like her and it doesn't matter whether you have good things or bad things to say. She can't hear you over the soap opera she's got playing in her mind. Only the attention you give matters. See, she's afraid if you stopped paying attention to her she'd disappear. Besides, I just piss her off on general principle. It's not like she gives a damn.It's your time though. Do as you like. Now excuse. I'm waiting for that twisted fuck Paragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Preston Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Question for Paragon:Why, in particular, do you want to kill Charr?Charr is fighting a war against baselines who are taking the fight to novakind. We didn't ask for these people to stalk us and kill us.I don't agree with Charr's actions, but I see his cause. I don't want baselines living in fear of novas, but I don't want to be living in fear myself. Having been on the recieving end of baseline aggression opens one's eyes a tad.Paragon, wouldn't your efforts be more rewarding if you stopped baseline aggression against novas? Wouldn't Tampa been a whole different ball of wax if a few T2Mers had decided to violate the ban, and made a stand against discrimination? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matryoshka Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 And would do want Utopia to wipe your bum as well?Utopia has a lot to lose,and sometimes they let the same ones slide to get bigger things.And before Propaganda Machine Charr opens his mouth.Utopia fallows the law,in the worst cases they do not go out their ways to make a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charr Posted January 9, 2004 Author Share Posted January 9, 2004 I love having you on the other side, Siggy. It makes it all so much easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matryoshka Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Charr, would you harm,or kill your cause over a baseline calling you name?Or throwing stones at you?Better yet,would you kill a nova,for simply not wanting you in their home? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Paragon Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Quote:Originally posted by Charr: Here.Now.You and me.Let's start with Eden, you lying sack of shit. Can't say this suprises me.What about Eden, Charr? Yes, people (novas among them) died in that great work. Nothing like that had ever been attempted before. We persevered and made a small piece of the world more habitable for all mankind.Can't say I was at those meetings were the plan was initially laid out, but I can tell you both Splash and Anteus were excited by the project. No one that I know of had their arm twisted to help out. It was a bright, positive endeavor. Not something a cretin like you would understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charr Posted January 9, 2004 Author Share Posted January 9, 2004 Tell me about the work schedules for the novas in that first year. Tell me about the lies of 'excessive quantum buildup you manipulative bastards have been peddling for years but especially what you did to your own race in Eden. Of course it doesn't surprise you. We both know what you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Paragon Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 I should have expected as much. What scream sheet did you pull that one off of, Charr?As for what I did to my own race in Eden; not a damn thing. We all worked hard. Some, harder than others.There were not prison camps, Charr. No forced labor. We were pushing the envelope of what could be done. There was no conspiracy, just honest mistakes.I have said it before, and I will repeat it here for your simple mind. We were pushing ourselves harder than we had ever done before, because we believed in what we were doing.Get it through your thick skull.Project Utopia is the foremost place were novas and baseline humanity work together. Common sense would dictate that they would be interested in keeping novas around. Novas help facilitate the hopes and dreams of baselines and novas alike. We work, bleed, and die together. T-O-G-E-T-H-E-R. Got it? There isn't enough space on the opnet for all that we don't know about novas, but to you, it must be an evil plot to keep novas in line. Do you even listen to yourself?I don't see the Teragen stepping up and saying all they know about novas. I wonder why that is?We will solve the prolems that exist with EQB, but it will take time. Hard things often do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charr Posted January 9, 2004 Author Share Posted January 9, 2004 What; suddenly we're just a simple country boy and too zip stupid to figure out where the faces are fading to? That mask doesn't fit you any better than it does Pax. Together? When was the last time you were sitting on a death sentence in a cell in Bahrain for the crime of not being pretty enough or fitting the yoo-pee ideal, you scumbag.I don't give a damn about your little public relations power play then, now or when it's finished. I don't honestly give a shit why Anteus is sitting around in the middle of nowhere even if a couple of Terats were invited in to see him. What I care about is the novas you assholes put at risk by lying to them for over a decade and then pushing them solely to make the power play. Tell your PR lies to the zips, you quisling piece of filth.I guess the only one that gets anything out of this conversation is you by knowing somebody is watching the watchmen. Sleep well you fucking monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Paragon Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 When was the last time you were sitting on a death sentence in a cell in Bahrain for the crime of not being pretty enough or fitting the yoo-pee ideal, you scumbag.Talk about your Teragen tripe. Now its the Bahrain Death Camp, or is it Failed Beauty School? Better yet, a political prison for those who don't agree with us. That would explain the utter lack of public opposition to the Project and all of its goals.Why are we having this conversation, again?you quisling piece of filth.Depends on which side of the coin your looking at, you bastard. I will only be considered a traitor if you and your ilk actually win. You have betrayed humanity, for your own selfish ends.I guess the only one that gets anything out of this conversation is you by knowing somebody is watching the watchmen. Sleep well you fucking monster.Sorry, but that job has already been filled. I have a boss who I report to, and am accountable for my actions.I sleep just fine, but thanks for asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugin Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Paragon, in reference to Bahrain. Have you toured the facilities there and fine Charr's claims to be unfounded through personel experience or do you simply feel that Utopia would not have a facility for those fell purposes due to their own moral code? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David 'Dr. Troll' Smith Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 RE: Pollitical PrisonersLast time I checked, Count "O" and his fellows were still running around. Ditto a large number of other people Utopia doesn't care for (including lots of elites). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charr Posted January 9, 2004 Author Share Posted January 9, 2004 Quote:Prodigy: Paragon, in reference to Bahrain.Don't cut this filth any slack, Prodigy. He was there when novas were disappearing one by one, works for Herr Yoo-Pee and there's no way he's that zip-gullible. He knows damn well what Bahrain is. Just another brick over a nova body on the road to a brighter tomorrow for Utopia and their pets.Quote:Troll:Last time I checked, Count "O" and his fellows were still running around. Ditto a large number of other people Utopia doesn't care for (including lots of elites). Buying your loyalty was expected but I didn't realize you had to check your brains at the door. And you wonder why novas think you're a box of rocks with muscle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charr Posted January 9, 2004 Author Share Posted January 9, 2004 Quote:The Paragon:That would explain the utter lack of public opposition to the Project and all of its goals.Why are we having this conversation, again?Because not everybody is buying into your pretty plastic lies? Hurry and maybe you can get a press release out to the zips to shore up that cracking facade. You had to have of known you couldn't keep this shit hidden from novas. I've heard of pandering to the lowest common denominator but this is beyond stupid and edging right up there into insane.More than happy to meet you half way though.I will only be considered a traitor if you and your ilk actually win.As an aside this is definitely something you should have forwarded to the PR zips. I understand the little critters down there get upset when big bads like you use the word "if". Seems they don't like even the inference there's a possibility of yoo-pee's getting smacked down.This won't be played out between PR wizards and the media, slimeball. Novas blow the top off your pretty little self contained scenarios just like we're going to bust open your gulag some day real soon. Keep justifying the means with the zippy little ends though.Sorry, but that job has already been filled. I have a boss who I report to, and am accountable for my actions.No shit. I bet he doesn't have any problems sleeping at night either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David 'Dr. Troll' Smith Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Quote:Troll:Last time I checked, Count "O" and his fellows were still running around. Ditto a large number of other people Utopia doesn't care for (including lots of elites). Quote:Charr:Buying your loyalty was expected...This isn't the first time I've said this. Nor did you actually respond to my question. Why not arrest the Count? Or those almost-in-the-closet terats over with Pandemonium? Could it be that Utopia is bound to follow the law?Quote:Charr:...And you wonder why novas think you're a box of rocks with muscle. That's several boxes of rocks with muscle. And they get the impression from the DVNTS marketing people and some unfortunate incidences eariler during my cureer. That is part of what I am. That is not all that I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugin Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Quote:Originally posted by David 'Dr. Troll' Smith: Why not arrest the Count? Or those almost-in-the-closet terats over with Pandemonium? Could it be that Utopia is bound to follow the law?Utopia's hands are tied. As a baseline organization doing it's best to support baseline power structures it is required, to at least publicly, support those baseline laws it wishes to force Novas into following.This being the case there are such stumbling blocks as evidence and supportable charges to consider. If they simply lock him away because they find him annoying, it weakens their position. A bit sticky for them. Now of course, rumors abound that beneath the veneer of public action they take steps to address problems without being constrained by morality. To those who insist, such as Paragon, that these are simply scurrilous rumor with no basis in fact, I ask you to peruse history and see the common occurrence of similar heinous acts being perpetrated by similarly beneficent seeming organizations. Charr is not the only one to commit atrocities in the name of a philosophy, he is simply much more honest about these acts and his responsibility. Do the Utopians here really have such an idyllic view of their employer that they find it incomprehensible that there could be factions within the whole that find it quite reasonable to commit evil for the ‘greater good’?Utopia is an enormous organization with a complex power structure and a remarkable access to vast funds. It is trusted by many and depended upon my many more. It claims that the greater-good-for-all is it’s goal, but still it is a private organization with ownership of many for-profit businesses. That situation is ripe for corruption and abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sphere Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Paragon,Bahrain's not a political prison huh? So what about the Aberrants you guys pulled in for questioning? They been seen by a lawyer yet? Not to our knowledge? Or is this one of those convienient "non-combatant" situations where Utopia gets to hold them for as long as they like without any legal consultation?Why are you still holding on to them? What crime are they suspected of committing? I know for a fact that three of them have had no contact with Andre Corbin since he pulled his vanishing act back in 2008. They've performed no terrorist acts.As Endeavor points out, your organisation is massive. Isn't it at least possible that there is stuff going on which is being kept from the majority of Utopia. Stuff that could be considered extremely unethical. Is it worth building a paradise on the bones of the innocent?Utopia is going to clean up. One way or the other. Either it get's done properly, legally. Or the Aberrants have zero options but to clean it up for you. Personally, I'd rather the Teragen stayed well away from the situation. This whole problem should be dealt with by Novas who still consider themselves to be part of the human race. But seeing as that won't happen, who am I to turn down the extra firepower? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwriter Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 Charr, honey, do me a favour? Shut up and talk to me when you have something intelligent to say.I went to school with assholes like you. Because I did what the teacher said, got all my homework done and all but lived in the library studying history, they teased the hell out of me. The only difference between them and you is that we're all supposed to be adults here, but I think you left your maturity at the door.If you or anyone else can give me conclusive proof that Utopia's full of crap, I'll be the first person on the next coach out. Until then, shut up with the histrionics, okay?If you want to beat the living hell out of me physically, go right ahead. It'll just prove how brave you really are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David 'Dr. Troll' Smith Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 So, Charr is openly doing clearly unethical things (which somehow gives him points for honesty). Utopia might have some secret parts that are less than ethical (and they don't get points for tons of ethical stuff they do).Why doesn't this seem balanced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakurako Hino Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 Quote:Originally posted by Regan 'Codex' McLachlan: Charr, honey, do me a favour? Shut up and talk to me when you have something intelligent to say.I went to school with assholes like you. Because I did what the teacher said, got all my homework done and all but lived in the library studying history, they teased the hell out of me. The only difference between them and you is that we're all supposed to be adults here, but I think you left your maturity at the door.If you or anyone else can give me conclusive proof that Utopia's full of crap, I'll be the first person on the next coach out. Until then, shut up with the histrionics, okay?If you want to beat the living hell out of me physically, go right ahead. It'll just prove how brave you really are. Codex, I see where you're coming from on that. Mark me in agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matryoshka Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 Because Charr is a torrorist and a fanatic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakurako Hino Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 I don't know. I don't really know the guy. Don't know much about his history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charr Posted January 10, 2004 Author Share Posted January 10, 2004 Quote:Codex: Charr, honey, do me a favour?No.You've already had enough favors done for you and I won't be contributing to the load. Who you went to school with, along with the rest of your life among the zips to this point, means nothing to me. You're an innocent while Paragon is a twisted fuck. Quit while you're ahead Codex and just continue gliding through your life. Let's face it; with all the wonderous ability at your command you couldn't find so much as a secretary taking paper clips home. Sorry but even Sphere and I found more and we don't have your advantages. You don't appear to be ready for anything other than your role as professional victim for insecure zips. It seems to be your strength. You have nothing to contribute Codex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakurako Hino Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 I don't think she's any punching bag, Charr. Her will is stronger than most. What is your problem? I've noticed you flex your muscle and bully others, yet you provide no real arguements, there is alot of sound and fury.Don't you think your message would be better taken if you took a far less aggressive approach?Here is something to digest.The resistance you face in society is proportionate to the amount of aggression you apply in society.If you're going to be a bull in a china shop, be prepared to be dealt with like one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charr Posted January 10, 2004 Author Share Posted January 10, 2004 Quote:Endeavor: I don't think she's any punching bag, Charr.I didn't say punching bag. I said professional victim. It's what she does best and most well. Strength of will, great or small, doesn't play it because it all her own choices. She's not going to be hurt by this so don't bother pursuing it on her account.Don't you think your message would be better taken if you took a far less aggressive approach?Endeavor, you're getting lost again. Let me clear this up quickly before you go farther down this road. I am not here for this. It really is that simple. I honestly don't care what the majority of you think.Now why would I? Why would I take the time?You're a great example. You're closer to actually comprehending Teras than nearly any other non-terat here and yet at the end of the day you're the exact same thing you were yesterday and the day before. It's why you spouted off that same sorry bullshit about Teras that you would have used six months ago. A couple of folks bounced right back up and explained where it was going off kilter for you but what was your addition? "I don't feel any safer."Nothing new. Nothing changed. Status Quo.Paragon and I are throwing down about something you honestly do not care about. Codex and the rest honestly do not care. It doesn't matter to me why you don't care or whether you're a 'good' person at the end of the day or not. That's why I don't strap on a cape and go out to avenge every single perceived slight or injustice to novas that I can see or imagine, as much as Paragon and so many other wish I would. And you're only seeing half the conversation because YOU'RE NOT PART OF IT. Seriously, Endeavor - what passes for hyperintellect today? You think this is going to be settled by debate? You think popularity is going to win the day? You think any of these novas are suddenly going to wake up and take responsibility for their lives and power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakurako Hino Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 I don't know, Charr, depends on what you call responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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