Sakurako Hino Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 Hearing something that Jager said, I have considered a thought I had pondered in it's fearsome form.What is Death, and what is my relation with it?I, have considered even my own end, and have come to the conclusion that my body and time is fleeting. But it is my nature, and the nature of all life loving beings, to fear the unknown country that is death.We all ahve had to consider, or even deal, with the final release in some degree of seperation. (Heck, even a few of us have come back...) But, The question is, not what I think of that final moment and where my life fits with it, but what you think.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matryoshka Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 In a large way, there is no such thing as death.You see, nothing is ever destroyed.There is the same amount of things as there was, yesterday,and there will be the same amount tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 Oops!Check out the next post. Get moving, ain't nothing here to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 Guess we can chalk Miss Malory to "it don't bother me none".Not that she ain't got a point. That way of looking at things is just another way of saying something was here and now it ain't. I don't buy into that sort of "detached" view but its easy enough to understand. Don't think most can see it in a personal way and still be "detached".Death and I are going to have a talk someday. Don't imagine its going to be pleasant for either of us. I just know I ain't begging. The kindly stranger can do as he likes but it'll be a cold day in hell before I say pretty please or try and cut a deal.Ain't running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David 'Dr. Troll' Smith Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 On occassions I've walked out and destroyed everything in sight. On occassions I remember walking out knowing that dying was a real possibility, and that I wasn't allowed to fight back at full force.On other occassions I've watched myself get killed.And although I don't remember it, I've walked out knowing that death was coming no matter what I did.And big bunches of my power is devoted to preventing me from dying.There is an 'edge' to death. We avoid thinking about it. We fear it, but we are also drawn to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 That's deep, Doctor Smith. Seriously, that's about the deepest thing I ever heard. Why the hell did you go Elite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matryoshka Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 Cody, I like Smith have seen my death manytimes.I have seen death in so many forms,that it is nothing, if I talked to you, I would see your death as well.I see what will happen, or at least what could hapen.When I wake up,I know everything that will happen that day to me, and everything that will happen to just about everything and one near me.Now, Smith you may face your death, and the death of others at your hand.I see people age, and fall apart before my eyes.I see trees grow, building crumble.Nations raise and fall, and that is during my morning tea.There is a saying, if you make a time line long enough the survivability rate is zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apep Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 It's a game I've been playing for a very long time. I am eager for my turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 Quote: originally posted by Signy Malory if I talked to you, I would see your death as well.See all you want. Just don't tell me. Its my time and I plan on coming into it with a passel of great-grandkids looking on. Don't need no kibitzing on what is or won't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 I have no problem with dead people, as long as they stay good and dead.I can't say that I fear death; I just don't go looking for her. She finds me often enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwriter Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 We all die, period. Of course, I'd sooner die in my bed, painlessly, but failing that I'll settle for quick and without as much pain as I can manage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakurako Hino Posted October 31, 2003 Author Share Posted October 31, 2003 I intend on finally slipping my mortal coil in a way that is of meaning.If one lives a life to the fullest, and dies at peace, there is meaning in the event.Of course there is meaning to death in many different states. But dying at peace with the world and ones self has greater meaning than all, other than in a noble and selfless act.Perhaps in some future time, when my calling is realized, then I may make my choice that will decide my end. Untill then there are many storys left to be told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigiGeist Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 Hm. Wish I could say I could die. I should have been dead numerous times in my nova days. Each time I somehow return from the pearly gates. Strangely enough I don't remember seeing good ol' St. Pete at the check-in...All I have to say, I haven't figured a way to get killed. Neither have my hunters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 Personally I plan on living for ever, especially now I'm a Nova. If death takes me it will be kicking, screaming and trying my damndest not to die. I absolutetly refuse to go in good grace.My view on death is that it's nasty and to be avoided, I don't want to die for a good cause or any reason if I can possibly help it. It takes away our loved ones and our friends. In fact my view of death is so strong it's why I state that if there is a creator God (one that set up the rules) I want nothing to do with it for allowing a universe that has death and suffering in it to exist. Why worship such a capricious and spiteful being?Say it loud and say it proud, there is nothing noble in suffering or dying for a good cause or any of that crap.Being precognitive gives me special pause for thought here, you see I've sensed my own death hanging over me like a black cloud. Something totally horrifying that I fear to probe, something that I literally do perceive as a dread black cloud hanging over me, a constant anxiety almost. You can forgive me, surely then, for not wanting to wax all lyrical about it.I much prefer life.Apep, I'm curious here, you welcome death? Does that imply you believe there is existance after death or that you welcome the thought of no more existance? Or do you mean something else entirely that I don't grasp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David 'Dr. Troll' Smith Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 Quote:Cody: That's deep, Doctor Smith. Seriously, that's about the deepest thing I ever heard. Thank you. Quote:Cody: Why the hell did you go Elite? Hahaha. How would I have such insights without being an elite? More seriously, it seemed like a good idea at the time. With a body that is an engine of destruction it seemed like the natural choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugin Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 I've died twice. Both times violently. I was honestly terrified. I have a distinct memory from the last time. The sound the I-beam made when impacted my back. An absolutely sickening thud. My mind remained alert interestingly enough. It took 2.63 seconds for my mind to shut down. I was crying like a baby the entire time.Not something I look forward to experiencing again thank you very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 Hahaha. How would I have such insights without being an elite?Okay. So you weren't this deep before you erupted? I've died twice.I am just dying to ask how you come to be kicking around after dying. Twice. Is this something you want to talk about?Putting the things you all say in italics instead of that clunky quote box is great! Makes it much easier to read. Thanks to everyone what do it that way. And to Alex and Sekhmet for showing it to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugin Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 Quote:Originally posted by Cody:I am just dying to ask how you come to be kicking around after dying. Twice. Is this something you want to talk about?In my early life as a Nova, after having left Utopia I continued to 'pal around' with two Novas by the name of Morganna 'Blitz' Barrows of the Barrows Triplets and Jay 'The Saint' Prince. While I loved these two dearly they did have the habit of pulling me into situations a tad more violent than I am want to be involved in. Luckily for me, Jay had quite a talent when it came to re-knitting broken bone and if given the opportunity to do so quickly enough, restart a stopped heart. So yes, I died on two occasions, but only for a handful of seconds each time. Honestly a defibrillator could have done the same thing. I was personally more impressed and his reconstruction of my spine.I hope this explanation is to your satisfaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 Oh yeah. You got to know I had to ask about it. Walker and me have killed beers and even shots talking about everything under the sun and then out of the blue I find out whart he done on the sun. What some folks don't think is worth mentioning purely amazes me.I just wanted to ask and see if there was something strange in this. Strange for me, I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David 'Dr. Troll' Smith Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 So you weren't this deep before you erupted? I wasn't this smart before I erupted. And being an elite tends to put you in more death oriented situations. We live closer to the edge.Not as close as Apep, but you get what I mean.After that powers have played a big part. I remember walking out onto the field of combat, knowing that *I* was going die no matter what happened. Win, lose, draw, the juice animating me had a limited duration and after that duration was up, so was my existance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sphere Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 Never really been concerned with what happens after I die. Always used to be too busy trying to stay alive from day to day. Bothering the afterlife when your in the middle of a bank job's a good way to answer your question in a really terminal way.I've killed. Taken a couple of lives that I'm sure about. The one I got arrested for, killing that cop, didn't move me that much. It's part of the job innit? Cops shoot robbers, robbers shoot cops. It'd been the other way round, I doubt he'd have shed many tears over me. Closest thing I ever had to an experience of death was my eruption. Got cornered in my cell, held by a couple of guys and got repeatedly stabbed with a sharpened screwdriver. All I remember is pain and anger, then a slow fall into darkness. Didn't hear any holy choirs or see any tunnels with white light at the end. The only light came when the plasma ripped loose from my hands and vapourised everyone in the cell except for me. No real guilt over a bunch of lifers with a grudge.I'm focused on living. Death's what happens when they catch you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preston Posted November 5, 2003 Share Posted November 5, 2003 Quote:The one I got arrested for, killing that cop, didn't move me that much. It's part of the job innit? Cops shoot robbers, robbers shoot cops. It'd been the other way round, I doubt he'd have shed many tears over me.You make is sound like you had no choice. You chose to commit a crime with a firearm. You chose to shoot a police officer in the line of duty. You initiated the series of violent events that led to him being dead. You getting shanked in prison, and surviving by luck of the node, while the policeman died ... just adds the the bitterness of it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakurako Hino Posted November 6, 2003 Author Share Posted November 6, 2003 Preston, what ever sort of providence you can take out of this, you can take it as maybe some higher force wants him to atone for his crime. How, I have no insight to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apep Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Quote:Originally posted by Walker: Apep, I'm curious here, you welcome death? Does that imply you believe there is existance after death or that you welcome the thought of no more existance? Or do you mean something else entirely that I don't grasp? In a sense, I do welcome death, with open arms. However, I will fight with everything I have to remain here. Basically, when it's finally my time, when there's finally something that can take it from me, then a huge weight will be lifted from me and I'll finally have the fredom I've always desired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sekhmet Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Apep understands. Every cycle must have a discrete ending before the next cycle may come. It is the way of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Apep, I don't wish to sound patronising but here's hoping that you find freedom without having to die. Not quite sure on what level you meant that but my hope remains the same.Sekhmet, I understand about natural cycles better than most, I just find them a bit wasteful and hard on little old organic life for my taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sekhmet Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 There is more than the organic. Would you deprive another of the opportunity to shed their tears, set aside their burdens and make ready for the coming renewal? The end of the cycle need not be oblivion.As you pursue the answer to your question you may find the very assumptions in which it is rooted is not - quite - what you believed it to be. Power is not the be all and end all of this existence, Walker. It often does not hurt but it is not an answer, only a condition of the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sphere Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Preston, I never said I didn't have a choice. Sure I could have surrendered, just didn't fancy spending the next thirty to forty in prison. Unfortunate really that getting caught after doing the copper meant I got mandatory life. I don't blame others for what happens to me, make my own destiny, y'know?I agree though. Me erupting was evidence of a really black cosmic sense of humour. Can't say I'm disapointed about not dying though. Understandably you and others think differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 Every soul is destroyed. Every memory is destined for the final oblivion. Every bit of the spirit spirals down to the final Entropic Vortex.Maybe not tomorrow, maybe not in a thousand, thousand incarnations, but it will happen. That is why you should live every moment to the fullest. It is the ultimate defience to the infinite.To things to remember:-When Death comes for me, that wench is going to have to drag me away kicking and screaming. Most undignified, but hey, it will be my final moments.-As Benjamin Franklin said, "Beer is proof there is a kind and loving God and he wants us to be happy."Enough of my rambling for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakurako Hino Posted November 7, 2003 Author Share Posted November 7, 2003 Jager, while everything is destined to Entropic oblivion, the spirit is not physical, nor does it follow physical law. The soul IS eternal. It is the shell that is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Craft Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 Um. How can either of you prove your respective points of view? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakurako Hino Posted November 7, 2003 Author Share Posted November 7, 2003 The only evidence I can provide is heresay. Unadmissible in any court, and unusable in scientific study.Therefore, the only thing substantial I have is faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sekhmet Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 Every soul is destroyed. Every memory is destined for the final oblivion. Every bit of the spirit spirals down to the final Entropic Vortex.We believe otherwise. Is your certainty in this unshakeable? More in a moment.Um. How can either of you prove your respective points of view?The views as expressed by Jager and Endeavor are their own however this has come to light in response to our own comments. Thusly we see some responsibility. It is not our intention to intrude on a conversation between Jager, Endeavor and yourself Alex but we must ask what sort of proof you would be willing to examine if not accept?As Signy has implied, living gods affect beliefs both large and small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 Sekhmet,Maybe you are right and I am wrong, I certainly wouldn't want to deprive anyone of their beliefs or say that spiritual experiences are meaningless. Just because I prefer to think in terms of a naturally created universe doesn't necessarily mean there is no life after death, we may indeed all share one spirit as the trees are always telling me. I simply don't know, and having never received a message from beyond the grave, my inclination is to play it safe. I do not believe that power and it's acquisition is the be all and end all of a Nova/Godlike existance, nor do I claim to hold all the answers. I have my doubts about the ultimate truth of science though I often argue from a scientific standpoint, science can label and explain but does it really understand? They used to call scientists, natural philosophers, I would say I'm more like that, I study what I can safely say things about. I agree with Jager in this question about life and death, live life to the full, though I suspect that Benjamin Franklin had never tried to drink a Nova under the table. Say ... does that make the devil responsible for hangovers? That would explain a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sekhmet Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 We agree with the sentiment of living life well. Now we will confuse you but only slightly; we too believe in a naturally created universe, the long slow endless cycles of which may be measured as a seamstress measures her thread for the stitch. We know these things to be true and all we have described to you as well. Life after death? A contradiction in terms. You need not take fairy tales on faith to come to know there is more than is seen.Long ago someone walked the dust not far from where we sit now observing the death of the night. She will walk these cool stones again to see something we uncovered in the stillness of the earth. Between those visits there has been millennium, battle, blood and death yet she will trod these steps again. Do you believe life to be nothing more than a simple exchange of energy or sequence of events, Walker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David 'Dr. Troll' Smith Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 So do my clones have souls? Do they live on after death? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakurako Hino Posted November 8, 2003 Author Share Posted November 8, 2003 Actually, if you lose a litle bit of yourself after every clone is made, perhaps fragments of your soul propegate in your clones untill it's time for them to "dissapear" or get re-absorbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sekhmet Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 So do my clones have souls? Do they live on after death?Do you test us? You ask questions of us you surely know the answer to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sphere Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 "It's not that I'm scared of death, I just don't want to be there when it happens." Woody Allen.I think old Woody saw a prime advantage of being a Nova who can clone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted November 9, 2003 Share Posted November 9, 2003 In theory, there are two places were time ceases to exist. In the Beginning, and at the End.I have memories of such a place, in that last moment were time had meaning, and it wasn't nice. It was a place of just one vista. A single mass of light spiralling down to ... I don't know. We were upon a fractured piece of rock with no activity in it. There was nothing behind us. Everything else being not just nothing, but a total absence of anything (I could detect).I didn't feel afraid, at first. Then the absence of everything crept up me (it had been a really rough day). I got out of there before I became totally paralyzed with terror.I have always liked to imagine that this was just a delusional state brought about by my wounds, but down in the depths of my soul, I know it isn't true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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