Sandy Davis Posted September 7, 2003 Share Posted September 7, 2003 If you see a snake, do you try to make it act the role of a cat?I say this,do not try to change people around you.If people want to change they will change,if not no mater what you say or do they will act the same. So, if you do not stop trying to change people around you I will be very upset with your actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 A worthy thought for consideration. To consider also might be the thought that neither the snake or the cat are inherently more valuable. Each has its place though drawing a conclusion of equality would be applying a human concept not acknowledged by the universe as law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David 'Dr. Troll' Smith Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 Quote:Sandy Davis:I say this,do not try to change people around you. If people want to change they will change,if not no mater what you say or do they will act the same.Some people are headed for a wall at 60 miles an hour. Telling them they shouldn't be driving may be futile & borrowing trouble, but it also says you care.And who knows, perhaps they might figure it out quicker with a warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakurako Hino Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 Uh, Sandy, I'm the person that tries to tell someone they're about to hit the wall. I'm not the one who tries to take the wheel. To paraphrase Dr. Troll's comparison.With all due respects, I feel I only need to change what I can. Without harming or trying to control other people.I don't know what's given people this view of me, but I will soon correct the error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakurako Hino Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 Quote:Originally posted by Sandy Davis: If you see a snake, do you try to make it act the role of a cat?I say this,do not try to change people around you.If people want to change they will change,if not no mater what you say or do they will act the same. So, if you do not stop trying to change people around you I will be very upset with your actions. Okay, sorry for a two-post in a row thing here, but I have to say something directly to Sandy.I don't really have anything against you, so don't take this as an attack.I don't know why you've all of a sudden have said this, but I'm not like that. I really don't care if I warn someone something isn't safe or right, and they do it anyway. I won't stop them. It's only when I can do something directly, and what I'm doing is right, that I then act. I'd rather be a heroine than a dictator.I've taken what you have said to heart, but doing things like that is so against my character, I have to ask, have I flipped my lid again? I've checked recent posts I have made, and I don't see anything weird going on.Anyways, I gotta go for a little bit anyways, I have to cool off. A friend invited me to a resort in Japan I've always wanted to go to. But first I have to patch things up a bit with someone I don't want as a rival (namely: Digi).I may sound overbearing from time to time, but I only feel it's my responsibility to warn someone that the path they're taking is self-destructive.Is that wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashnod Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 Quote:Originally posted by Sandy Davis: If you see a snake, do you try to make it act the role of a cat?I say this,do not try to change people around you.If people want to change they will change,if not no mater what you say or do they will act the same. So, if you do not stop trying to change people around you I will be very upset with your actions. Just out of curiosity...aren't you trying to change Endeavor by telling her not to try changing people or your wrath will follow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Davis Posted September 9, 2003 Author Share Posted September 9, 2003 Ashnod, sometimes it takes an lesser evil to to stop a greater one.I said what I had to say, if she wishes to act on those words she can..But I do not think the way she acts to wards the child is not a good use of her time, nor efforts.Wizard, I find cats make more enjoyable pets and are more playful. I do not think that they are beter or wrose than snake..It is that they are diffrent.Endevaor, live yourlife, but really I think you should ingore the child. She may know a lot of data, and facts, but she is lacking in many feilds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakurako Hino Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 1: Sandy, I do not consider Widget a child, nor really that much of a problem. She is a rival at worst, a competitor otherwise. She says things I do listen to, and she is quite insightful. But, her foil is that she lets her ego and her hubris get in the way sometimes. Not that I'm much of a saint in that category either.2: Ashnod, she was being rash, but I think I understand what she meant. Think nothing of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Davis Posted September 9, 2003 Author Share Posted September 9, 2003 She acts in the manor of a child, so I will treat her as such.On other notes, I saw the sun rise today, and from were I was I saw a wouunderful view of dancing lights, from reds, to blues, and yellows too.Too bad you can't be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 Quote:Originally posted by Sandy Davis: Ashnod, sometimes it takes an lesser evil to to stop a greater one.Do anyone else hear a body shouting "I AM THE GREAT AND POWERFUL OZ" when she talks this way?Must just be me then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakurako Hino Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 Sandy, I can see such things viewing through a photon-analysis system. Science does have it's moments of beauty.Cody, she's not the all-powerful wizard. After all, that similarity would more befit me. A master of technological subterfuge and trickery. (You know, all that floating head was, was a hologram.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigiGeist Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 Cody, if you don't have an ego, you can't make yourself do anything. Ego is part of the human and nova psychology.At least Widget has a good self-esteem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugin Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 Quote:Originally posted by Sakurako 'Endeavor' Hino: 1: Sandy, I do not consider Widget a child, nor really that much of a problem. She is a rival at worst, a competitor otherwise. She says things I do listen to, and she is quite insightful. But, her foil is that she lets her ego and her hubris get in the way sometimes. ... Normally this would be against the rules, but as it is so obvious as to be on par with the realization that Sandy is a screaming nutter I feel free to point out this little possibility.Sakurako, could it perhaps be that Widget would only like you to think this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Davis Posted September 10, 2003 Author Share Posted September 10, 2003 Cody,do you recall what I told you about taking part in threads I make?And you James are as sane a John Q. Public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakurako Hino Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 James, I'm not sure I can answer that question. Now I have one. Why is she pushing someone away who she "claims" to want to help developmentally?How come she acts with such disdain towards me?If it's reverse psychology she's using, then she must think quite highly of me. But I doubt that.Quite frankly, I wonder which of her toes I stepped on so badly...I respect others so blessed to be among intellectual peers, yet I feel that there are so few who are willing just to do things when they need to, not want to.Sometimes I wonder if most Novas don't want anything to do with each other. Sad, but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashnod Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Quote:Originally posted by Sandy Davis: Ashnod, sometimes it takes an lesser evil to to stop a greater one.So...Endeavor's attempt at making someone change their ways is not a case of lesser evil stopping a greater one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Davis Posted September 10, 2003 Author Share Posted September 10, 2003 Good to see you are back to your old tricks. But you miss the point where I said sometimes.Not all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugin Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Quote:Originally posted by Ashnod: Quote:Originally posted by Sandy Davis: Ashnod, sometimes it takes an lesser evil to to stop a greater one.So...Endeavor's attempt at making someone change their ways is not a case of lesser evil stopping a greater one? Ashnod my sweet, if you make her head explode you're the one who has to clean up the mess.Sakurako, any more and that would be telling. Where is the fun in that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakurako Hino Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Perhaps there are a few things I should have clairified before I continue with this conversation.1: Who is it that I am pushing my influence on?2: If it's Widget, I wouldn't even try to change her, that'd take more resources and talent than I can muster at the moment...I ask this because I have a strange suspicion that I have been played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Quote:Originally posted by Sakurako 'Endeavor' Hino: Cody, she's not the all-powerful wizard.Oh I ain't saying she is. Just most of her talk brings that part of the story to mind. You know - a body working handles and levers while the big old voice says never mind what's going on behind the curtain.Quote:Originally posted by Sandy Davis:Cody,do you recall what I told you about taking part in threads I make?Yep, I do. Do you remember what I said back to you?Maybe you need reminding what you said to Ms Cassady about only being the one that started her thread. You don't get along with most folks Miss Davis but you purely dislike them what treat you the way you treat others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Quote:Originally posted by Sandy Davis: If you see a snake, do you try to make it act the role of a cat?I say this,do not try to change people around you.If people want to change they will change,if not no mater what you say or do they will act the same. It's all relative though. After all your attempt to get me to go and see this 'god' you found could be considered an attempt to change me, neh? You had good intentions I'm sure but we all know what the road to Hell is paved with ...Still, at least you didn't kidnap me, for which I'm greatful, I just know that after a few hours in your company I'd have ended up actually agreeing with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Are you saying she's contagious, Walker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashnod Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Quote:Originally posted by Sandy Davis: Good to see you are back to your old tricks. But you miss the point where I said sometimes.Not all the time. I missed no point. Just observed that it was you who determined when it was a greater evil and a lesser evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Anyone who spends real time worrying about Widget has way to much time on their hands.We're not even talking thunder over the lightning here. We are talking about the Northern Lights.I also find people that talk about greater and lesser evils have trouble distinguishing which is which. Please be careful in making such judgement calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Davis Posted September 10, 2003 Author Share Posted September 10, 2003 Oh,Walker I will tell you the name of God, but it is not the sort of thing most people call God.What made the world?What made life on the earth?What keeps life,living?You can see it with thenaked eye,but most things can't stare at it.It fills most people with joy simply by being.It is what are all made of.Itis what evrything is made of.If you know the anwser to this,then you can find my God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakurako Hino Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Quote:Originally posted by Jager: Anyone who spends real time worrying about Widget has way to much time on their hands.We're not even talking thunder over the lightning here. We are talking about the Northern Lights.I also find people that talk about greater and lesser evils have trouble distinguishing which is which. Please be careful in making such judgement calls. THANK GOD! FINALLY! Someone who's talking with some sense.All this cloak and dagger philosophy is driving me CRAZY!What have I gotten myself into over here?!?!? >.< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widget Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Quote:Sakurako Hino:THANK GOD! FINALLY! Someone who's talking with some sense.I agree. Why ever would you all spend this amount of time discussing little old me?It's flattering but quite a waste of time for any except those select few that actually are mired amid the machinations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widget Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Quote:Sakura Hino: ... yet I feel that there are so few who are willing just to do things when they need to, not want to.I have attempted to explain this to you directly in the past. That less than optimal transfer of information is in part what has brought us to the present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakurako Hino Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Well, miss high and mighty, don't go out when there is a downpour. With your nose in the air like it is, you might drown.Quite frankly, my problem with you is that you talk in ways to hide your knowledge, and say that only the "elite" can understand.GUESS WHAT!I've read over what you've said, and all I see is a stuck up royalty wannabe.I've tried to be nice.I've tried to understand.But if youre trying to teach me, all you've taught me is how much of an asshole you are.Have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zed Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 <pulls up a bowl of popcorn>Oooh. This is getting good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widget Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Quote:Sakurako Hino: Well, miss high and mighty, don't go out when there is a downpour.And thank you for providing this wonderful example to anyone that might not be aware of why the previous communications attempts failed.You enjoy ignorance and see any circumstance or action by an individual that might actually piece the darkness as an attack. In the kingdom of the blind within your mind the penalty for sight is death by mediocrity. Of course anyone that fails to share your simplistic ignorance is attacking it since a neuron might fire from stimulus, accidentally of course, and so is an enemy to be blinded thereby rendering them "equal" to you. Paradoxically you wish to be that which you have chosen to avoid. A subject for a future paper if I'm ever bored.The fascination you have with me really is flattering. Irrelevant but flattering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakurako Hino Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 But, wasn't it you that started this whole conversation a couple of weeks ago?Quite frankly, if you think of me that way, fine. I don't give a damn. I'm sick and tired of all the gnats around me trying to point me in a certain direction. The path I take is my own. And be damned those that think otherwise.There is a reason why I'm angry, You know it, and anyone can see it.As for you saying I don't want to become something I wish I was, you aren't making sense. If it was something I have said in the past, guess what, IT IS IN THE PAST!Quite frankly, it is you that dissapoints me. Someone of your intelligence should be tackling far higher issues than "the next flame war with Sakurako".The only reason why I even bother continuing this is because I am bored, and it reminds me of better days in the schoolyard chewing out the local bully.I look foreward to your anal picking apart of this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 Endeavor, with whatever other gifts Widget possesses, happiness isn't one of them. Thank you for being the one to bring that to the fore.You are right. She really does need to pick at you and take apart things you put your heart into. It's because you have heart, and a burning bright soul to match. It is amazing how many of these conversations you win. Either she just can't stand your strenght or she goes in for that pink hair. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakurako Hino Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 At first, I had to put my anger in check before writing this, Jager.I have to agree with the fact that she only picks on me because she thinks I'm an anachronism, a throwback. Does it matter that even if I can think circles around a Human genius that I have to? Do I have to control the free will of others for entertainment? What gave her the right to do such things? If she claims to be such a high thinking and evolved being, why does she involve herself in such base things? When you let your ego and base desires control the use of your gifts, doesn't that make you "the greater evil" as stated in another post? I will not... no... cannot, abide by indulging my powers by making people my pets. I feel that this world can become a brilliant gem in a wider universe, and all we have here are self-absorbed illuminati who want to lord over others like a dark emperor.Jager, I've stopped laughing at myself, I am proud of who I am. Every time someone tries to cut me down, I come back stronger. That is the way I see it. I'm proud my concience has not been crushed by the node. My concience is a brilliant, node-enhanced, 400-pound gorilla. Trust me, I've been on both ends of it.What's weird is that I'm starting to like the XWF now... I can see a certain... Nova grade drama... within it's pomp and pagentry...I'm sorry I diverged there. -.-;I guess with all the high and mighty talk, I do have my vices as well. ^.^;I guess that is the Human in me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Davis Posted September 11, 2003 Author Share Posted September 11, 2003 If you can't laugh at yourself, then what do you have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakurako Hino Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 ^.^ Hey, I do laugh at myself, at least old pictures of me. Although, I do have to admit, I was pretty cute a couple years ago. ^.^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmy Chillmeister Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 Shit, why the hell do you guys get so fuckin' uptight. I spend a few weeks in India, come back and this shit is still going down and heavy. Hell, I'm gonna go back to that nasty little temptress and let her do those things to my 'signature' that she was panting to do. I know some of them are heavy talkers but those Pandaimoneom fuckers know how to party. We are the great gods of the world and we gotta chew this shit over and over again?Fuck it. I might just start a thread about nova nookie and see you there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widget Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 LemmyThen it's time to broaden your experience. Come out and take the guided tour of the wild side, baby.SakuraGosh, I guesss I've been told off. I do wonder how you manage to rationalize your continued fascination with me when your intellect is certainly warning you. Neither your short or long term memory tested as defective at ALN.JagerIf you tell yourself that often enough you might actually come to believe it. Its neither relevant or the sooth to Sakura's wounded pride you believe it to be but... It's certainly harmless enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigiGeist Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 Widget.I happen to know alot. About alot of people.Miss Hino is prone to fits of... Uncontrolled rage.I blame it on her cloistered up-bringing myself, but then again, we all make our ivory towers.But, I doubt our cute little Nova schoolgirl likes backing down. All that Japanese honor stuff and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widget Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 I blame it on her mother's shoddy procedures and off-the-cuff protocols while conducting sensory deprivation experiments on quantum conceptualization during Sakura's formative years. There is a particular sequence in her genome inherited from same that seems to cause the oddest interaction in brain chemistry. I did offer a retro-viral treatment to fix it and it was declined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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