opnet [OpNet] I just know something good is going to happen.

[Agnelli Celeste]

I just know that that somethign good is going to happen to happen. I don't know why, how, or even what..But I know that somethign good is coming soon.

I just thought I would tell you all, in case one of you

all cares.

[Jager]

I take it you mean something extraordinary, Ms. Celeste?

It just might happen ... Whether it is good or not, has yet to be determined.

[Agnelli Celeste]

I did nto say that,I just something good. I did not say it was going to be something that woul change the wrold, but I know I will be happy when it comes.

[Jager]

Good can be very subjective. I am sure my death would be seen as a good thing by a number of people. Please do not ask me to agree with them.

[Violette 'V' D'Aronique]

Is it just me, or is this whole thread cryptic as hell? One of those "I know something you don't know" taunts?

Christ, Agnelli, what was the purpose of bringing this up?

[Agnelli Celeste]

V, I can't anwser that. But it got it's message across.

IF you wish to know more you will have to ask Nelson Goldman, as you know he is part of Tn2M Amreica's staff. If you are cleared to learn the meaning you get the anwser.

[Cody]

And the message was... Colonel Mustard did it in the Library with the Wrench?

[Preston]

Yet something else the rest of us "don't have the need to know."

Oh, yea.

[Agnelli Celeste]

Look, s far as you know I could be talking about the surpise party that was throwwn last night for Splash.by not telling anyone what I meant I could have saved the party.I am not saying that is what it was for.

But youthink because I am not telling what I mean, that it is a bad thing.

Even if it was something along the lines of what I think you think it is.Do your boys in blue give out details of when they are going to raid a drug house?

I simply used a form of code that is vauge,and rather pointless to anyone who does not knwo the context.It was given to me to say.

[Cody]

Quote:

Originally posted by Agnelli Celeste:
I simply used a form of code that is vauge,and rather pointless to anyone who does not knwo the context.

Vague and pointless. Them were the very words I was just thinking.

Shouldn't you project girl scouts be using some super-secret-classified-for-your-eyes-only Utopia system for passing your love notes?

[Agnelli Celeste]

Maybe, but maybe this worked better than any other means.maybe utopia wants poeple to think they are not seeing everything.Maybe I ti s a big joke, but hey I am not telling you.

[Cody]

Quote:

Originally posted by Agnelli Celeste:
...but hey I am not telling you.

How could you, Miss Celeste. You already said in your first post that you don't know what it is. Or why and how it's happening. No disrespect but its a little hard to believe the project would bother giving out important info to a teenie2M.

Now I got to tell you something. We're novas you and me. You don't need to make a big thing out of nothing. Or try to be something you ain't. We're novas and that's enough.

[Apep]

ridiculous

[Agnelli Celeste]

Cody, have you ever seen me?Have you ever seen what I do for a living?Or what I do in my free time..I offered to show you something, but you passed it up.

As for making somethign of nothing, that is what you did, not I. I posted this, traded a bit of banter with Jager..It was amusing.But See, you want to know what I meant,and I can't tell you that. It is part of the job.

SO do you really want to get to know me? Or do you think you know all you need to know about me?

[Cody]

Lessee now... Have I ever seen a member of Teenie Tomorrow... What? You think maybe we don't have Opnet out here in the sticks? We do. And yeah, I did turn you down once. Maybe that's the first time you ever been turned down but trust me - it happens all the time. Don't mean nothing except that I had obligations to meet.

Miss Celeste, I don't need to know what your talking about. Least not as much as you seem to need to talk about it. I just had a couple of questions for you and that weren't one of them. You did say that you didn't know what the big news was right there in the second sentence of your first post. I ain't trying to trick you - you just seem to have forgotten saying that.

You might want to reconsider your last two questions. Ask me one or the other but don't be playing games with me.

[Preston]

I don't know, Cody. Somehow knowing that I missed out on the Girls of Utopia having a night on the town makes me feel better.

At the very least, they weren't trying to save my world for a few hours.

[Agnelli Celeste]

Preston, I know you do not like the idea of having Utopia having half the power it has.But let's remember how your great nation was formed. was it formed by the will of the people, the need,and wants of the poor?Was it formed out of Law,and Order?

As I recall from reading the history of your great country. It was formed by the rich, who were looking out for themsleves.Do you forget the 18 other armed uprisings bent on over throwing the colonial governments. There were s black rebellions, from the deep south to New York. And 40 riots .All these were before 1760.

Then after that, the 5 rebellions to over throw the federal government. THREE of them carried out by the ARMY it's self!

Now let's get into your problem with utopia.you do not like them because you see that they do not have to fallow laws. Well, I agree, that is a bad thing.

But wasn't your own government that had millions of people enslaved, until what 1868? What about 50 people who were tried for treason fro saying out the fist amendment? or all the Asian rounded up in world war two? Or the fact that countless thousands of people could not vote, because the color of their skin until the late 50's?

I am not even scratching the surface of how many crimes the great united State of America did.

Would you like me to talk about the N.Y>C's finest, or the boys in blue in L.A, or maybe you want to think that because people are elected they are held accountable for their actions ins some strange way.

[Preston]

Wow. For all the really crappy stuff the United States has done, you missed a whole bunch of it. My personal favorite is the Pullman Strike. You know, where cops, troops, and corporate thugs fired into ranks of starving men, women, and children who just wanted a decent wage and safe working conditions. Now that took real heartlessness and barbarity.

Yes, little girl, the United States of America has made mistakes. We still do. We almost certainly will make more.

And this is relative to Utopia how? Oh, you want to do these kinds of evil things as well?

We record them in our history so we will not repeat these failings. At least, that is our hope.

Ms. Celeste, black men didn't rise up in rebellion and earn their freedom. White men decided slavery was wrong and they went to war with other white men so the black people would no longer be slaves.

Women didn't go on a terrorist rampage to get the right to vote. They pointed out the injustice of it, and men said "duh" and voted for them to have that right, among others.

Blacks didn't bring the south to its knees for equal rights, they stood up and said "We are people, too" and the rest of the nation said "Yes, you are."

Yes, we put people into bondage.

Yes, we have oppressed people for reasons of race, ethniticity, religion, sex, and orientation.

Yes, we are generally selfish, short-sighted, and dis-interested.

We also tend to not like it when other people are killed, tortured, raped and killed.

We would like everyone to enjoy freedom in all its many flavors.

Ms. Celeste, we are a nation. We do good and bad things. It is part and parcel of being a conglomeration of peoples, cultures, and wills.

That is why we vote.

That is why we hold our officials accountable for their actions.

That is why we operate under a set of laws and customs that are accepted, if not loved, throughout our land.

Utopia isn't a government, Ms. Celeste. It is a company.

When was the last time you voted on company policy?

Or, elected a member of your controlling body,

Or, held any one of them accountable for their actions?

[Agnelli Celeste]

Man you need to read up on your US history.

And for you get to pick.Ha, tha tia good one. It costs at least 30,000,000 dollars to run for senate. So you can pick one rich person or anohter.You can pick from people who are either not good enough to make it big in the priate sector, or who wants power.

Up untill verry resently you had two parties.Do you knwo what is wrong with two parties? They wind up being the same..They are both going for the same vote, so they put themsleves into a place where one is just slightly left and the other is slightly right. yea you get to pick, and you either have a a blue guy or a red guy. Oh my!

When was the last time you voted who was your boss, dick?

How about this as said before Utopia has no power but the power that is given to it by the UN, and the local goverment. So all the power you are whining about still boils down to your vote. if your leaders do not want us in the US.We can't go in there, at least without anymore power than a private citazen.

As for voting for the leader of Utopia.I would stay witht he one we have.I meat him once, and trust me I would rather hvae him as leader than any that have came out of your "voting".

[Preston]

Quote:

Originally posted by Agnelli Celeste:
Man you need to read up on your US history.

And you say this because?
I don't know what books where in your schools or colleges, but the one's I studied at Harvard were pretty keen.

Quote:

And for you get to pick.Ha, tha tia good one. It costs at least 30,000,000 dollars to run for senate. So you can pick one rich person or anohter.You can pick from people who are either not good enough to make it big in the priate sector, or who wants power.

It may cost you that much to run for senate in some states, but not all. Six years ago, someone spent $31 million ... and lost.
We actually toyed with the idea of getting an illiterate homeless man to take office, but we couldn't keep him sober.
So, you only want to give power to those who dont' want it and have no idea how to use it?
I prefer go-getters with a incling of public service and the knowledge of how to get things done. You don't.
Man, more than ever, I wish you could pick the leadership of Utopia.

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Up untill verry resently you had two parties.Do you knwo what is wrong with two parties? They wind up being the same..They are both going for the same vote, so they put themsleves into a place where one is just slightly left and the other is slightly right. yea you get to pick, and you either have a a blue guy or a red guy. Oh my!

Okay, so two parties want to seek moderate platforms to run on. Platforms that appeal to the majority of voters ... That would be democracy, Ms. Celeste.
The group or groups that represent the majority of the voting public get to rule. I can live with that.

Quote:

When was the last time you voted who was your boss, dick?

My name isn't Richard, Ms. Celeste, or was that a pale attempt at insult?
I voted for my boss a year and a half ago. My President, one Senator, my congresswoman, two alderman, the Stat AG, and my mayor. The city council appointed the Police Commissioner, and she affirmed the existing Chief of Police. The Chief is the person I report to, and like me, is a civil servant.

Quote:

How about this as said before Utopia has no power but the power that is given to it by the UN, and the local goverment. So all the power you are whining about still boils down to your vote. if your leaders do not want us in the US.We can't go in there, at least without anymore power than a private citazen.

Oh, if only the world was that simple, Ms. Celeste.
While I could lecture you on the state of the world economy, I really don't feel like wasting the space.

Quote:

As for voting for the leader of Utopia.I would stay witht he one we have.I meat him once, and trust me I would rather hvae him as leader than any that have came out of your "voting".

Glad to see how you really feel about the whole electoral process, Ms. Celeste. Is this part of Utopia's brighter tomorrow.
Will none of us have to worry about voting ever again?

The point is, Ms. Celeste, you DO NOT GET TO VOTE on your leadership, or the direction Utopia takes. You are a corporate employee.
What seperates you from a Security Guard at ViaSoft is one hell of a PR firm. That is all.

I sure as hell don't want ViaSoft breaking down my door and telling me what software I can have on my home system.
I sure as hell don't like Utopia breaking down my door and telling me what kind of system I can have in the first plac.
It is the same thing. The only difference is that one is WRONG, and the other is WRONG, courtesy of UTOPIA.

If I break down your door and take some of your shit, drag your friend away, or hurt you, you have recourse.
You can make the government tell you what happened and why. You can cost me my job if I am wrong in doing what I did and send me to jail. You can get your shit back and your friend released.

You know something? I like it that way.
You see, I work for a responsible body, democractically elected, that protects the civil rights of its members.

You work for the K-Mart Gestapo, little girl!

[Sandy Davis]

((I don't know why, but sometime it sign me up to the wrong names..i mena I was signed up to Agnelli for a few day..and just on to Davis for no reason..-.-))

[Agnelli Celeste]

Sure money doesn't give you a vote, but you have to have that money or will not even have a chanse of winning.

Well, I say go pick up a book called "A People's History of the United Utates" By Howard Zinn.or try "American Political thought" by Sue Davis.

With those two books you can get enough sorces to full check out a lot of other books.

And what do you gain from voing when you have no one good to vote for?What good do you gain from voting when all the people can vote for sound and act the same?

As for my work.I have yet to act in any way that a private preson can't do without being asked to do so. would you have me stand by and watch people ie,knowing full well tha tI coudl save them?Would youw ant me to sign up on a country that I have no faith in, because it can be run by some rich old white man?Oh I get to chose what one I want. Yippie!

[Hugin]

What started out as a silly little attention getting stunt has turned into a silly little argument.

And sometimes I wonder why I don't spend more time socializing with others.

[Preston]

Ms. Celeste, how in the hell did a white woman become president of the country, then? A Libertarian at that.

Right now, it is true that a Old White Man is president. His name is Randal Portman and in private life he was a civil servant, and not very rich. Perhaps you have heard of him. He is also known as the Fireman.

Oh, yeah. He also happens to be a nova.

[Cody]

K-Mart Gestapo? God I was rolling on the floor when I read that. Your okay Captain Preston. Can't say that we'd ever get along if we met but your alright anyway. I don't know what bug flew up Miss Celeste's cute little ass - sounds like a big buzzer from the way she's going on - but this is the same old tired shit what makes a body want to gag nearly every 'Toppie before they open their mouth. Once again a 'Toppie needs to tell everyone how fucked up everybody else is so they can feel better about them self.

Well I have had enough of this. Yeah Utopia, thanks for closing the hole in space. Thanks for putting out new products for us to buy. Thanks for making Ethiopia a nicer spot on the planet. Thanks for taking a bite out of crime - even if that one did blow up in your face and leave a bigger crime family than the world ever saw before. Thanks for everything you ever did to try and make the world a better place. Chalk me up as another voice purely grateful for some of the good works you done.

But I've had enough of Utopia finger pointing bullshit. Sorry Paragon, Miss D'Aronique and all the others that don't seem like they have a size 13 stick up their ass and a case of the stupids. If Utopia sticks it's nose in my business with this same... old... tired... shit you better have a gun the size of the Rocky Mountains or a brother bigger than Doctor Troll. Otherwise I'm going to put ass in a world of hurt.

[Cody]

You were right Miss Celeste. Something good did happen 'cause I ain't taking any more bullshit from you or bosses.

I can't believe I was going to give you slimballs the benefit of the doubt.

[Agnelli Celeste]

Cody, my problems with USA, is that my problem.Do you know what it is like being born deaf, and parentless?

I was born in the richest country in the world.The bigest welfare state in the world. That is if your rich. See the U.S. is like a bank, it tends to give money who don't need it, and when it gives money to those who need it they guilt trip them.

"How skkilluf to tax the middle class to pay for the relief of the poor, building resentment on top of humiliation!...How ingenious to meet the demands of blacks and women for equality by giving them small special benefits, and seting them in competition with everyone else for jobs made scarce by an irrational, wasteful system. How wise to to turn the fear and anger of the majority towards a class of criminals bred--by economic inequity-- faster than they can be put away,deflecing attention from the huge thefts of national resources carried out within the law by men in executive offices. "

In case you missed this speach, it was giving by the only women to be Head of State. When she was in college.She later denouced it when running for Office.

Again with voting..In our great country we get hapy when 3 out of 5 peopel who can vote turn out to vote!

Yes I know who portman is, but wile i think he is a good person. I do not think he is a good leader.NOt all good leaders of good people and not all good poeple are good leaders. Further more Id o nto think that because Portman is a nova makes him any better of a leader.

Cody if you let my words change you mind about Utopia.THen you are either easy to sway,stupid, or are using it as a scap goat. Basicly I think you already made up your mind, and just wanted to point your finger.

About the drug lord, well as I recall they hvae a lot of help from the US. Let's look into the studies. See of all the drugs illgally sold world wide on any given year ~80% goes to the good USA. Now why is that? Well I think it is the forbien fruit type thing. See you tell someone you cna't do something, they will wnat to do it. Poeple rebel because they can.

Now people rebel most when they do not know why they shouldn't rebel.This too USA has covered, they teach people they should nto do things because the law says so,and not why they law say they should not do those things. The treat drug users like criminals. this leads to a lot of problems.

ASo back to youCody. Do you honestly think that every meber of the teragen is fighting the good fight?That not a single teragen meber is wrong in they way they live their lives, or their points of view?Because if you think that all tergan are right and just you would not fit into Utopia no mater what person in utopia you spoke to. Hell you wouldn't fit into the teragen deepinding on who you talked to.

Now that is being said, you do not liek my points of view, that is fine, but if you were ever thinking about giving Utopia Chance youw ould not change your points of view based onw hat I said.After all I am not the whole of utopia, and hell when I sign on to opnet I am am not even a signing on as a membr of utopia so much as jsut another person.

[Violette 'V' D'Aronique]

Agnelli...

Just be quiet. Please? Just shut your mouth (or your fingers as the case may be) and stop it.

You're not helping. You're making us look terrible. Every time you say something, I'm embarrased that we wear the same insignia.

[Agnelli Celeste]

Sure, i'll back down. I just hate both what I know of the teragen and the US. But I can stay quite for ya.

[Preston]

Cody, I am only a Big Time Prick during my private time. On the job, I am pretty reasonable.

If you ever come to Boston, you can look me up. I'm pretty easy to locate. Just tell some rookie cop your a Terat and they will probably wet themselves and call for back up.

Don't worry, though. When I show up, my response will likely be to tell him, "Thank God! He could be a Republican".

Cody, freedom is for everybody. Enjoy it.

Now, if you are a Red Sox, Celtics, and/or Patriots fan ... Well, my son, have I got some bars to show you.

You are over 17, right?

V, I know the feeling.

I have problems with a few of your company's policies, not you. I certainly don't hold Ms. Celeste's diatribe against anyone but herself.

One minor clarification, Ms. Celeste. The USA doesn't consume 80% of the world's illicit substances. We generate 80% of the profits in the cocaine trade. You see, I can buy 40 kg of pure coke in Mendilin for around $5000 (US). It takes the Cartel around $1000 to make that much coke there.

Now, if I can get it into the US and I am a quality concious Drug Lord (cutting it down to 17% or so), I can sell it in Boston or NYC for around $1,500 per kg., or $360,000. It costs them $1k to make $360k. Do you understand?

In Europe and Asia, the drug of choice is heroin. We don't see that much over here, but the Interpol men and women I have talked to tell me it is the same general equation for them.

Okay, on to the rest:

Perpetual criminal underclass, my ass. My partner's mother came to this country illegally. Never earned more than minimum wage her whole life.

Of her "criminal underclass" children, they are a plumbing contractor, a welder, a doctor, a Marine (and he is the only one with any criminal record), and a police officer.

You know something? I used to drink like a fish at my fraternity when I was in college. I don't do that anymore. I grew up.

Young people can, and do, often look at the world through goggles of idealism. It is a good thing. So is adapting that idealism to the real world and making it work.

I understand that you see the world in a very clear fashion (to you). You want to live your life that way? More power to you.

It is not okay that you want the rest of us to live that way too. In that way, you represent the very worst of Project Utopia and its ideology.

One last thing, Ms. Celeste. You are disparaging a system you have, as far as I know, never participated in. But, if you get the chance, do vote.

If you don't vote, don't you dare rag on those of us who do. You don't have the right. Voting doesn't mean you get your way, it means you become a participant in the process of governing your country. That is the nature of democracy. If you elect not to vote, YOU ARE ACCEPTING THE DECISION OF THOSE WHO DO.

The silly thing is, that is one of the principles of Teras, too. One nova, a nation unto him/her/itself being equal with each and every other nova.

Pity they exclude the rest of humanity.

[Agnelli Celeste]

Read this web page. You may learn something. http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html

I would say more but i would not wish tto up set V, anymore than I have to.

[Jager]

Okay, and the root of this argument is?

[Preston]

"Yes, in good time we are going to sweep into power in this nation and throughout the world. We are going to destroy all enslaving and degrading capitalist institutions and re-create them as free and humanizing institutions. The world is daily changing before our eyes. The sun of capitalism is setting; the sun of Socialism is rising.... In due time the hour will strike and this great cause triumphant . . . will proclaim the emancipation of the working class and the brotherhood of all mankind. "

Eugene Debs

Okay, the word "proletariat" was not mentioned. Otherwise, it was an entertaining perspective of world history from the view of a frustrated socialist. I especially loved the part about the guards of order rising up against the elites.

I can only imagine the author cried the day the Berlin Wall fell. I was there when the flag outside the Soviet Consulate came down and the Russian one went back up.

Ms. Celeste, when you look at the world through the lens of "class struggle", you limit yourself. People are seperated and joined by conditions other than just economic factors. Yes, economic status can be looked at. So can religion, ethnic background, race, sexual orientation, gender, and education.

The rise of the working class is not an historical inevitability, Ms. Celeste.

At the very least, I see were, you and perhaps your Utopian teachers, are coming from.

[Cody]

Thanks for the invite, Captain Preston. I'll take you up on it soon. And it's Celtics. Definitly Celtics.

I will be over 17 by the time I come....

[Preston]

Good enough, Cody. This season is over, but I know some guys who know some guys , if you know what I mean.

Not that I would ever abuse police powers. No sir, not me. But, hey, if some guys stop by for a pick-up game ...

Seriously, just give me about 48 hours notice and I can get some free time. Show you the city.

[Jager]

I just know that that somethign good is going to happen to happen. I don't know why, how, or even what..But I know that somethign good is coming soon.

I just thought I would tell you all, in case one of you

and then ...

V, I can't anwser that. But it got it's message across.

IF you wish to know more you will have to ask Nelson Goldman, as you know he is part of Tn2M Amreica's staff. If you are cleared to learn the meaning you get the anwser.

So, between the first post and this one, you learned the meaning of your vision, or whatever it was.

Next time, tell us, or delete this crap. You are wasting our time with this petty high school bullshit.

If anyone hadn't already formed a negative opinion of Utopia before this, you surely helped them build up one.

P.S. I cared, ... until you pulled this stunt.

Thanks very much for the slap and the "you don't matter."

[Hugin]

I find it interesting, Utopia's hiring practices.

I mean, on one hand we have Violette. She is intelligent, thoughtful and a clever debater. She represents those aspects of Utopia that I regreted leaving behind.

Then we have Agnelli, who even for her age shows some questionable maturity. Could you care to explain exactly what you were trying to do here? Is this just you having a little fun? I'd understand that to be honest. You're young and a little lark on your part would be completely natural. If this is truly regarding something of import, I would like to point out that A. This is a public forum and B. That Utopia does prefer their operatives to have some sense of decorum.

[Ashnod]

Quote:

Originally posted by James 'Prodigy' Meehan:
I mean, on one hand we have Violette. She is intelligent, thoughtful and a clever debater. She represents those aspects of Utopia that I regreted leaving behind.

And yet, she's really taking Sandy Davis to task on another thread, isn't she? Not that the venom isn't necessarily undeserved, but there is a decided absence of tact in those posts that I'm certain Utopia's PR people will find a bit undesirable of a T2M agent.

Thinking only of courtesy, kindness, and respect, I will consistently endeavor to conduct myself as honorably and compassionately as possible, most especially when circumstances make it difficult to do so...My words and deeds have ramifications on others beyond what I perceive and I shall strive to make sure that the lives of those I encounter are made better and more dignified by all I do. I will always endeavor to uphold the prestige, honor, and esprit de corps of Team Tomorrow.

Interesting Utopians we have here indeed.

[Cody]

I ain't got any problem with her flame spraying Miss Davis down to the bare metal. Not seeing as how she was the one that sicced that buggy piece of software on us and the world.

'Course after listening to Miss Davis talk awhile I'm starting to feel sorry for that crappy program. Poor thing was screwed over from the day it was written and never had a chance.

[Sandy Davis]

Cody, would you like to undersand what i went threwto become what I am today?I could show you ..

But untill you wish to knwo what it is like tobe me, iwould hope you tkae these word to your heart.there are things far greater than you,and not all of those things have good will for you.