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UN To Discuss Banning Nova Space Exploration

Sources in the UN have verified that the United Nations is exploring the possibility of placing a ban on all space exploration done without approval by and cooperation with either the UN or those member nations possessing an established space program.

"Scientists and environmentilists have raised concerns about untrained novas going off into space and either bringing back dangerous bacteria or other organisms or possibly damaging delicate alien ecosystems." is the reason given by the unamed source.

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Joint American Taskforce to Tackle OPNet Crime

Rumors that one or more superintelligent novas may have actually created the Holy Grail of computer programing, an independent Artificial Intelligence (AI), has some members of the security agencies of the United States worried.

A joint taskforce made up of NSA, FBI, SEC, IRS and other agencies has been put together, funded by a bill passed just this last week.

The taskforce will work with foreign intelligence agencies as well as the Directive to determine whether such a thing as an AI actually does exist and if in fact crimes have taken place. No word yet on who will be heading the taskforce.

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Robert 'Rainbow' Roddi to Lobby for Same Sex Marriage Law.

Robert 'Rainbow' Roddi, the openly gay Municipal Defender of San Franciso, CA has taken on yet another duty, lobbyist for the Coalition for Social Equality, a gay-lesbian-transgender political organization.

"I've risked my life a number of times for the City of San Francisco and the State of California. I love my job, my city, my state and my country. I only wish that I could be treated with the same respect towards my personal relationships as any man/woman couple can receive." Roddi stated in yesterdays press conference.

Reaction from various conservative and anti-nova groups was especially virulent.

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[Jager]

Article One:

How did that old song go?

"Breaking the Law! Breaking the Law!"

Judas Priest

Too bad this makes some sense.

Article Two:

Better late than never? Well, I imagine there will still be a few horses left in the stables. Man, this is going to be a hard one for me to violate, not being that good with Intelligence of any kind.

Article Three:

Roddi will be having a rally Saturday-after-next, for those who care. Golden Gate Park, 1 pm.

[Agnelli Celeste]

I do not need some parent figure up in the sky to say who I call my love,and I do not think people who should be punished or rewarded beccause they want to sleep with one person,and one person only.

As I say goverment has no right to say what is right or wrong in the bed, if all parties in that bed are consenting people.

So what I am saying, well you can look at Mariage as soemthing the goverment should have part in, then who ever you mary should be up to you.After all the goverment can't tell you who to love and who to hate.

Or it can be a religous one.In withc case I could care less what they say you can marry or not, but for the love of money, start treating them like the company they are, charge them TAXES!

[Sakurako Hino]

News Article 1:

That's why you deal with Daedalus. They tell you what you need, train you, and set you up with the proper papers and notices so you can tell the blue helmets to f-off. I'm getting sick and tired of these people holding us back. You want to play games? We know the loop holes, brother. Go pick on some other hobby. Besides, what's to stop us from just hopping off and not coming back huh? You monkeys would sure love that. You guys piss me off. I MADE SURE that everyone on the Europa expidition didn't bring anything back other than snapshots, and made sure all the equipment was up to snuff. It's the risk we take, we should have the right to take it. And why doesn't NASA/ESA/NASADA/Whoeverelse back any of these missions huh? Oh yeah, it's a human only club. This reaks of a civil rights violation there too.

News Article 2:

Eh? So, I isolate little Naomi from the opnet, just to make sure she dosen't get lost in it, and take every precaution possible, and she's still DANGEROUS? Her ethic and moral programming is impeccable. Don't tell me that a digital sentient has no rights? That's it, time to nip this in the bud. I'm writing my congressman tomorrow. I'd bet a nova getting behind this will move things in the correct direction. (Not to mention rip him a new one over the space thing.)

News Article 3:

Not my section of society.

[Sakurako Hino]

Great, now Naomi is hiding out in the deepest part of my storage server for her. Thanks a lot. They want to go after the criminals, yet they terrorize someone like her.

[Preston]

Sakurako, "those people"?

Okay, so you took percautions and you didn't screw up, this time. Thank you for risking all life on this planet. I am glad you are as smart (or lucky) as you think you are. Maybe the next team or individual to go out will be just as good or luck. Maybe they won't.

But, hey, that's okay. The rats and coakroaches will survive. So will a few novas. They can bury the less fortunate.

Again, Sakurako, with your track record, you aren't worried about ANOTHER AI related to you going rogue? Charon, Hitom 1.0?

Excuse me for having less confidence in your abilities than you do.

What are we supposed to do if your ethical programming isn't as fool-proof as you envision? Let's say she gets out and decides to crash a few dozen airliners. What then? "Whoops. I'm sorry", might not cut it.

What if someone does it on purpose?

Hey, let's not take any percautions. We can all just rely on you and other equally responsible and high-minded individuals to keep us safe. You will make sure to not let us all down, right?

You have thought about how catastrophic it would be if the Opnet crashed. Seriously. Global navigation goes down, power plants go off-line, automatated systems all across the world stop. Emergancy services last for an extra 24 to 48 hours.

The back-up system, the old fiber optic relays, haven't been adequately maintained. The last major test was back in '07, and that had a 30% failure rate, under minimal load conditions. Almost certainly, they would fail under a full Opnet dump.

And that is only in those countries that have them. Most of the more modern 'super states', like Ethiopia, Nigeria, India, and China don't have them. They rely on the Opnet and satellite communications.

Guess what? Satellite communications interface throught the Opnet now, as well.

Yes, this is the worse case scenario. Someone has to plan for it and work at ways to prevent it, if possible.

As for Roddi, more power to him. Everyone I have talked with at the SFPD and the Bay Authority have nothing but good things to say about him.

Some of the same pricks that make my life so difficult are the same ones lining up against him, so he must be on the right track.

[Sakurako Hino]

...

You don't know what I could do to her. If she does start attempting to go rogue, she's dead. There is only one of her, and I can delete her at any time. She's isolated, and she only has access to things I control. The moment she does otherwise, let's just say a localized EMP pulse, then immediately the destruction of the hardware.

She won't... Excuse me...

[Connection terminated]

[Sakurako Hino]

[connection resumed]

...She... deleted herself? What the... she didn't even have any access to any of her local server commands...

Just incase, I've powered down the server, and I'm avout to PHYSICALLY destroy the server. There's something to be said for an axe and some acid.

Just incase.

But... how did she... Not like I've been to connected to her. Oh well. Not like I needed the server.

[Cody]

It deleted itself but only you access to the commands to do that and now you're all set to physically destroy the server?

Remind me never to piss you off...

[Sandy Davis]

As Preston said, a program like me could shut down most of the modern world ina maater of eye blinks. Wile a few novas can talk to the ghost of the opnet.I am it's soul.I an not someone who can sliding into the computer and tell it what to do.I am the computer.

Now as you all noticed, the world is running just fine, so the world is in no danger from me.Aside I think that the "ghosts" should be treated liek anyoen else.ANd for the record, I have not commited a crime in any place this "unit" has any legal rights over.SO once again HAHA!

Now to things that really matter. Acording to international law, the idea of banning novas or anyone else from going to space, is not possable, do to the fact thaat there are places out fo the UN,and there is jsut no way to spot anyoen from going into space. If it means Novas have to go into the midle of the sea to go into space, big deal.

[Hugin]

Quote:

Originally posted by Sakurako Hino:
...

You don't know what I could do to her. If she does start attempting to go rogue, she's dead. There is only one of her, and I can delete her at any time. She's isolated, and she only has access to things I control. The moment she does otherwise, let's just say a localized EMP pulse, then immediately the destruction of the hardware.

She won't... Excuse me...

[Connection terminated]

So, you create a life, and put those kind of restrictions on it? My goodness. I didn't think you were quite so cruel Sakurako. You claim her ethical programing is foolproof, yet your only response to her doing anything out of the norm is to destroy her? Well, I hope she fears her master.

[Jager]

Ghost, from what I hear, you are one of the reasons the Opnet Bill sped through. That you choose not to do anything to the Opnet is small comfort to some folks. Wonder why?

A kindred of yours, Charon, was another.

Ghost, you are wrong about that. International Waters are the UN's jurisdiction. Better yet, there is some precidence for UN jurisdiction in near orbit. Recall the Nuclear Weapons Ban for space platforms?

No one should think this is toothless, either. If you want to see security agencies scramble, watch what happens when the WHO (World Health Organization) puts an alert out on you. Nothing like being labelled a potential plague carrier to make everyone stand up and take notice. If the UN decides that unrestricted space travel is a biohazard, this is serious crap.

In case you want to laugh it off, rumor has it that the WHO has a contingency fund for such instances. Its a bounty rich enough to catch most DeVries Elites attention. Priority here is to isolate the target as quickly as possible. They will worry about human rights violations later.

All that supposes that Project Utopia or the Directive doesn't pre-empt you before you even leave. I am willing to wager that novas like Walker are about to be asked to come in for an "interview".

Helping someone go into space will be even better. Welcome to the world of a bio-terrorist. Read the fine print. That is exactly the Rod they will be using against all you free spirits out there.

Still want to go into space? Best go see someone at Project Utopia. I am sure they will be able to help you out. Helpful, ain't it?

Sakurako, sorry about that, but are you sure Naomi is gone?

[Cody]

If these things really can feel instead of just pretending to have emotions I guess it had cause to fear Miss Hino more than anyone knew. The lot of these toys are just machines with attitude but at least this one had the manners not to post on the opnet. Manners mean something.

Its beyond me how can someone go on for hours about how cute something is, how much they care for it then just rip it apart and forget it ever existed. Fucking cold.

Article 1;

Is it possible? Captain Preston, is passing a law going to stop folks from doing it? This might be a case where punishment don't work as well as telling folks how they're allowed to go about doing it. Seems to me a law just keeps people from doing things that might benefit the world instead of doing it all on their own for themselves.

Something to think about.

Article 2;

It ain't my opnet so I got no say in who can use it and for what. If folks want to build their little virtual people and send them off to play then maybe they should be held accountable for the keeping up the playground.

Article 3;

Do what you got to do Roddy. Ain't nobody got to like it but you.

[Hugin]

Item #1. Good luck you pathetic little monkeys.

Item #2. As above.

Item #3. I would like to think that when we eventually do coalesce into a proper Nova society that we will have passed by the need to regulate the manner and configuration of the intimate emotional bonds sentient beings create. Godspeed Robert, godspeed.

[Preston]

Cody, legislatures pass laws while cops are left to figure out ways to enforce them. I don't recall being asked about the feasibility of any of this.

If you care, my choice would have been a joint effort, headed by the Daedelus League, with the cooperation of NSA, ESA, CIS Space Authority, and the Chinese Space Administration. Have them build a station or three up at the L-5 points and act as a clearing house for outbound efforts and quarantene/debriefing points for those returning. Seems to me to be the right mix of independent nova efforts with the most active space-centered civilian administrations.

Instead of having a dozen novas with their own individual space maps, we could put all those efforts together for everyone's benefit.

Paraphrasing JFK, this Earth is our children's birthright, but space is our grandchildren's.

[Preston]

Mr. Meehan, the "pathetic little monkeys" thank you for that vote of confidence. Thankfully, those over-wheened nova egos will be our greatest tool in tracking the law-breakers down.

16% of Boston's economy is Opnet-based or Opnet-related. It grew by over 30% last year. If someone was to crash it, the economic impact would be horrific. Oh, wait. You don't care about the 'little people', do you?

Some of us live in the real world and like it.

[Hugin]

Quote:

Originally posted by Preston:
Mr. Meehan, the "pathetic little monkeys" thank you for that vote of confidence. Thankfully, those over-wheened nova egos will be our greatest tool in tracking the law-breakers down.

16% of Boston's economy is Opnet-based or Opnet-related. It grew by over 30% last year. If someone was to crash it, the economic impact would be horrific. Oh, wait. You don't care about the 'little people', do you?
Some of us live in the real world and like it.

Don't pretend to know me you self-hating slave.

I would like to point out some hard cold logic to you. Cyberkinetic Novas already have the ability to thrash the living hell out of the OpNet. No law, no organization, no weeping little entreaty can or will stop them if one or more of them so decides.

Don't you understand? We are above natural law. We break it with every breath we take. Gravity is a plaything, Newton be damned. The law of conservation of energy? Doesn't exist when a Node is in play. Scientists scramble and pant trying to explain how what we do is merely a fantastic extension of unbreakable laws. A woman I respect immensely used to love to challenge my perceptions. She would bring up 'magic' just to watch me twitch. She would counter every single scientific argument. I would always have to fall back on "It's science we just don't understand yet." Bah. I was hiding, hiding from the truth. The world exists today because no Nova decided to end it today. If we exist tommorow it is because a Nova decides not to destroy us all.

Cyberkinetics don't destroy the OpNet because that would be likened unto cutting off their nose to spite their face. Any AI that is created would have to be suicidal to destroy or harm the OPNet. As has been pointed out, the Internet is an antique, incapable of handling even a minor catastophe. If an AI was to harm the OpNet they would effectively be deciding to entrap themselves in what ever network they were at the moment, making them easier to hunt down and kill. Does this sound likely? Possible yes, but Portman could decided to unleash his nukes on a whim, also a possibility, just not likely. They are talking about hunting down intelligences, if they even exist, for fear of what they might do. For that I call them monkeys.

[Teulisch Faust]

its the fear problem

since the dawn of time, when man was little more than a glorified monkey, the unknown has been dangerous. so the unknown is feared. and what we fear, we then hate. and what we hate, we destroy. we have a bad habit of destroying the unknown whenever we get a chance.

all 3 items are based on irational fear. and that fear is why novas dont get equal rights under baseline laws.

[Preston]

"Don't pretend to know me you self-hating slave."

Mr. Meehan, you know that my intial reaction was simply to lash back at your pompous, "all-knowing", self. Then, I was filled with a sense of pity for you.

You really just don't understand, do you?

I ELECT to devote my life and efforts to helping others.

I don't feel the need to understand every little nuance of our existance. I understand MY underlying moral obligation, as someone with some power and/or ability, to help others. It is enough for me to know that I should help others, BECAUSE I CAN.

You say I don't know you. You are right. Personally, I don't. I do know more than one nova who has turned their abilities toward criminal endeavors. It was that type of person I was refering to.

You have no conception of the type of man I am, yet you feel free to call me "self-hating'. What a joke you have become.

Are you that unhappy, yourself, that you displace some of that feeling upon me?

Get some help.

As for the issue at hand, most authorities are aware of the danger certain nova expression hold for the Opnet. It is their job to take some sort of percautions to protect the people.

The difference with President Portman is that he was elected to his post and the population chose to take the risk on whether or not he would launch an unprovoked nuclear attack.

They have no voice about the sanity level of someone who would like to build an unstable AI, like the one Ms. Hino made. The one that apperently committed suicide. Nor, do they have a voice in the motivations that would move through the mind of a cyberkinetic nova.

All the people's representatives are asking is that people who use the Opnet act in a responsible and law-abiding manner. The fact exists that there are people that use the Opnet for criminal purposes. You seem to be protesting the fact that they are now co-ordinating their efforts against them.

Is that because they are just monkeys and you are some sort of Intellect God? These are people with lives, families, and futures, Mr. Meehan, the ones you are calling monkeys.

I dont' know why you seem to hate most of humanity. I do not know you. I do know that you are helping feed the fears of the humans who share this planet with you.

Teulisch Faust, this isn't an irrational fear. The danger is very real. In my relatively short time here, I have heard of, or encountered, FIVE supposed AI's. You may make your own mind up on the sanity of 'Ghost of Sandy Davis'. As far as the rest of us know, three of those have already been destroyed. Those were centered around young Ms. Hino and her talented but unstable mother.

At what point is the danger great enough for the authorities to do something about it?

Do we wait for some AI or cyberkinetic to crash the Opnet in some sort of suicidal frenzy? I agree with Mr. Meehan that this would be an insane act.

[Astro]

Quote:

Originally posted by James 'Prodigy' Meehan:
Don't you understand? We are above natural law. We break it with every breath we take. Gravity is a plaything, Newton be damned. The law of conservation of energy? Doesn't exist when a Node is in play. Scientists scramble and pant trying to explain how what we do is merely a fantastic extension of unbreakable laws. A woman I respect immensely used to love to challenge my perceptions. She would bring up 'magic' just to watch me twitch. She would counter every single scientific argument. I would always have to fall back on "It's science we just don't understand yet." Bah. I was hiding, hiding from the truth.

Too bad Mr. Meehan. I had hoped for better from you.

There are no scientific 'laws' as you should well know. We have theories to explain the world around us. Every so often we have to modify or even throw out theories as new information come to light. This is a natural part of science. 'Science' is simply method used to come up with rational ways to describe the world around us. Not being able to fit something in for extended periods in no way invalidates the process.

Newton gravitational theory stood for centuries before Einstein’s relativity brutally exposed it's shortcomings ... however even today Newton's work is useful.

So we do not understand the node yet nor how it works. So what? You want us to give up logic just because of that? We haven't understood other things that in the long run will be equally important for far longer that we have even known about the node yet we haven’t given up trying to fit them into the current scientific framework.

I call you a quitter and a fraud. “Magic” is the explanation of the simple minded.

[David 'Dr. Troll' Smith]

RE: 1, 2, & 3.

These things are (going to be) illegal when my former profession isn't?

[Preston]

Yes, Dr. Troll. Isn't International Law grand?

Technically, what you do is illegal. If I caught you doing your former activity (for a private individual or institution), I would be able to arrest you.

But no, it not illegal for private individuals or coprorations to hire a nova. What they hire you to do might be illegal, but the actual contracting of your former services is just fine.

[Hugin]

Quote:

Originally posted by Singularity:

I call you a quitter and a fraud.

Well, bully for you.

[Hugin]

Quote:

Originally posted by Preston:
You seem to be protesting the fact that they are now co-ordinating their efforts against them.
Is that because they are just monkeys and you are some sort of Intellect God?

No. I protest the focus. Read the article again. This is a search for AIs first. Determining whether or not those AIs have committed crimes is secondary. So, find a minority, then put a magnifying glass to that minority. Now, if this was simply an attempt to focus on OPNet crime, I would not say boo. Baseline society would be following through on the claim that Novas are human by treating everyone the same. Find a crime and prosecute it, regardless of the nature of the criminal. That I could accept. Find a Nova created AI and figure out if they have broken the law? No, I have a problem with that.

Now, you might be thinking 'But AIs are different and new. Thus they need to be addressed differently.' Really? Ok. So, human law isn't enough for Novas.

[Walker]

Quote:

Originally posted by Preston:
... If you care, my choice would have been a joint effort, headed by the Daedelus League, with the cooperation of NSA, ESA, CIS Space Authority, and the Chinese Space Administration. Have them build a station or three up at the L-5 points and act as a clearing house for outbound efforts and quarantene/debriefing points for those returning. Seems to me to be the right mix of independent nova efforts with the most active space-centered civilian administrations.

Instead of having a dozen novas with their own individual space maps, we could put all those efforts together for everyone's benefit ...

My original post on the space item, was going to be something like BWHAAAA HAAAA HAAAAA HAAAA but then I read this, you know this isn't a bad idea at all. Set up some top bio-haz protocols and prevent some nasty bug getting loose, unlikely though that may be.

[Sandy Davis]

Using public domian ,I set up a copy of the world's banking system,and within one hour.I borught ever bank to it's knees,and transefer enough money to make the world diffrent place.

Butthen again who said it was illegal for me to play hacker on my own server. ^.-!

[Preston]

Mr. Meehan, I did read the article. I also talked to some of the people over at the Netcrime section. Then, I called a few friends over at the FBI. Then, I read up on the specific bill in question.

The United States hasn't even determined what status an AI would have. The above agencies are just trying to acertain if one truly exists. Added to that, they are seeing what kind of safeguards would be required to protect the Opnet from an AI attack. If it is even possible to defend the Opnet, that is. The running hypothesis right now is that the world is just screwed. The only thing capable of tackling an AI is a nova with the quantum expression of Cyberkinesis.

The fear, Mr. Meehan, is not that an AI would crash the Opnet, but would seize control of it, even a portion of it. Hold the world hostage, so to speak.

Exactly what alternatives would the world have?

Most of the present alternatives are pretty ugly.

Here is one of the ones I was told about. Man, it is ugly:

We would have to crash the Opnet to stop the rogue AI. Bad things start happening.

Next, in a matter of a few hours, the authorities would have to search through every system that the AI could have dumped itself into ... manually. Getting even uglier.

Then, if they couldn't verify it's demise, we would go to rolling blackouts, hoping to kill it that way. Then, you look for energy signatures ... a hideously long and flawed process, to find any possible hiding place. Meanwhile, the economy collapses, we lapse into barbarism, and the living envy the dead.

And, all that assumes the AI is stable. An insane, and/or suicidal AI could do much worse.

What a wonderful game, Ghost of Sandy.

Boy, it is so good to know you can post through the Opnet and you apperently have no carbon-based monitoring.

Please, please, do not mix up the times you are playing your games on your server(s) and when you are interacting with the real world.

Walker, thank you. I am a police officer, not a fascist. I perfer a minimal amount of laws and regulations to preserve and premote the maximum amount of freedom.

I like it when people feel, and are, safe.

I hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. Part of my chosen profession.

By the way, how is my son doing?

[Sandy Davis]

Well, there is my maker Circuit Breaker.In case your are woundering about trying ot catch her,or getahold of her.She is protected from all up high, by the almighty herself.

Now, would I ever harm people.THe funny thing is that I have it built into my core code that I can't do any actions that knwoingly that willl knowingly cause harm to other lives.I have pulled off pranks, but who hasn't?

[Jager]

Aaakkkk!!!!! Damn it.

[Fearless]

Space is cool. A space station satlight would be fun.

AI's are fun too.

What's -gay-lesbian-transgender-? Rainbow Roddi is cool.

[Doctor Aeon]

Very well, Ghost. If you do not turn yourself over, programming, hardware, and back-up, to the lawful authorities in either Germany, Britian, or the United States, I will kill a human being.

Here is how it works. I have poisoned said individual, but they don't know it. The auto-injector is hooked up to accept a signal in 23hours, 58 minutes from now. I no longer have control over the device that will send the signal. If the device detects your surrender, it will send the signal. It is not an AI, just a machine. That person's fate is in your hands.

Yes, I am soulless, but I'm happy.

What are you going to do?

You are either not an AI, in which this will be a hell of a joke, except for my victim, who will die;

or, you are an AI who is a lying threat to us all because you will knowingly allow a person to die because of your actions;

or, this is it for you.

Happy computing. I am sure you will try to locate the victim with your GOD-LIKE systems.

Whoops. I planned for that. See, I imagined I was going up against an AI with all its resources.

[Sandy Davis]

Here is the little trick, I can't do harm, but at the same I do not have to save lives.There is one thing to kill, not to kill someone.Another thing to let someone die.

It is not my actions that will have said person killed, but yours.I do not make you kill that person.

And you made five mistakes in your plan. One as I said above,I can't kill, but I do not have to save lives. Two the fact I am a legal citizen of a country,and have not broken any laws that could be enforce in this country, nor any law that could be enforced in of the nation you said above. Three, the idea that I could fit all my back ups,and send it to any of those place in that time frame. One my copies would take 32 hours. And the fourth and fith ones, is well..You have to think on that two,as I am not telling.

[Doctor Aeon]

I just love moral justifications, ghost.

I know I am a sonofabitch, but you are something special.

You aren't killing anyone? Not in a court of law, but by the moral encoding, you are.

If you believed I was lying, too bad.

Once a program is allowed death by inaction, murder is allowed. It requires only a little bit of cleverness.

You have another do the deed for you. You set in motion a series of events that kills another. Very neat. Welcome to sentiance, if you are an AI.

Well, in 23 hours and 5 minutes someone is going to be dead. Pity.

Ghost, thank you for proving the validity of the so-called governments position. You are a threat, and it didn't take that much to prove it.

I almost feel regret for every AI that actually has proper encoding. They will be judged by your actions.

Hey, does anyone want to help set up an underground railroad (or is that Netroad?) for those AI's that can't defend themselves?

[Sandy Davis]

By my actions? would a man be called a sinner if he would not kill himself to stop another from killing a stranger?

No, you are asking me to kill myself in order to save the life of a stranger.One stranger who you put into harms way. They have a name for what you are doing, and it is called terrorism. And the nations you above mentioned have public policies of not dealing with terrorists.

ANd lastly, you think I have any cares as to what one human life?I am sorry, but most humans do not care about those sorts of things,an they share more things than I share with the computer you are using right now.Now, goodbye to you..I have to run threw some work.

[Meridian]

Quote:

Originally posted by Ghost of Sandy Davis:
By my actions? would a man be called a sinner if he would not kill himself to stop another from killing a stranger?

Actually I believe the answer to that is 'yes.' It's hard to tell for sure & might vary a little from faith to faith but most Christian religions are heavy on laying down one's life for Jesus to be the highest good ... and it is clearly Jesus' work to save others. Life is viewed as sacred.

It's also not clear that you couldn't resolve Dr. Aeon conudrum without sacrificing yourself. The fact that you are not willing to even try is clearly a sin by my understanding of Christianity.

I think that GOSD's answer just goes to show that you can't count on machines to do the right thing every time.

I'm also not sure who is more dangerous, Dr. Aeon or GOSD ... probably GOSD.

[Walker]

Quote:

Originally posted by Preston:
...
Walker, thank you. I am a police officer, not a fascist. I perfer a minimal amount of laws and regulations to preserve and premote the maximum amount of freedom.
I like it when people feel, and are, safe.
I hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. Part of my chosen profession.

By the way, how is my son doing?

Neil's getting along just fine, we managed to not force loads of psychotropic substances down his throat at the Amproom and he showed more respect than some I could mention for the lovely nova ladies at said establishment.

I hear your points and agree with them, you know I could trust many people to arrest me for some crime or other but out of everyone I've met I'd only trust you to arrest me for the right reasons.

As to this whole AI thing god damn it when are people gonna react to the new and bizarre as something to cherish and experience, rather than something threatening that needs stopping before it's even begun?

Meridian, although you talk a lot of sense I'd have to disagree with you here, Dr Aeon is clearly the biggest dickhead

[Sandy Davis]

Quote:

Originally posted by Meridian:

Quote:

Originally posted by Ghost of Sandy Davis:
By my actions? would a man be called a sinner if he would not kill himself to stop another from killing a stranger?

Actually I believe the answer to that is 'yes.' It's hard to tell for sure & might vary a little from faith to faith but most Christian religions are heavy on laying down one's life for Jesus to be the highest good ... and it is clearly Jesus' work to save others. Life is viewed as sacred.

It's also not clear that you couldn't resolve Dr. Aeon conudrum without sacrificing yourself. The fact that you are not willing to even try is clearly a sin by my understanding of Christianity.

I think that GOSD's answer just goes to show that you can't count on machines to do the right thing every time.

I'm also not sure who is more dangerous, Dr. Aeon or GOSD ... probably GOSD.

Do you really think so highly of the bible thumpers?You know the first things that the JEws did after they got their ten laws?That's right they killed the hiethens,and those preying to the GOlden Calf.

Then what about the wars fought for the holly land?Then the wars fought for to kill off the non believers?

THen we get to the Roman age.YOu know the times when epopel were openly killed because they wanted peace?

Then you have the countless times peopel were killed in the name of that house builder. You know the times when people were killed because they prayed to GoD but not to that son of Mary. Witch is odd seeing how they are the same thing.But that doesn't matter.

Maybe I should be like the those who fallowed the book in world war 2. Just pretend nothingis happening,as they are not killing member of my flock,I should not worry. Hell I will even lie and say nothing is happening. That will make it go a way!

As it is, Iam working on a project that will save the lives of countless thousands.And the time and effort of spending on day trying to save the life of one person will cost the lives of many more people.

SO wile one man will die, it is not clear that I could save him.And it is clear that threw the work I am doing right now,I will save many more lives,and as noted I was given a time line that I can't not in anyway work with.

[Meridian]

Sad. You can take time to play with destroying the banking system. You have time to post here. But you don't have time to save one man who's life depends on you.

What happens when the first man dies and Dr. Aeon kills a second? What happens after 100 die? 1000? When do you step in and stop him? Why not now before it gets out of hand?

As for your “project” maybe it will save lives and maybe it will not. Even if you do what you want to do how do you know that the novas and baselines will accept it? If they don’t and all those other people die needlessly are you not guilty?

And for the record I have great respect for the humble man who's life is recorded in the new testament of the bible. I just accept that many people who profess to follow him have not always done the right thing by him and his word. I’ll leave it at that.

Walker ... I accept that Dr. Aeon is more evil by most common definitions and more likely to cause some level of harm but I stand by GOSD being more dangerous.

[Hugin]

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Originally posted by Ghost of Sandy Davis:

SO wile one man will die, it is not clear that I could save him.And it is clear that threw the work I am doing right now,I will save many more lives,and as noted I was given a time line that I can't not in anyway work with.

Ok, I'm going to ignore the froth filled ranting and focus on only this last part.

What if Dr. Aeon had presented you with a situation and a time frame in which you could have dealt with? Say, if he had said "If you post here again, I will kill a random human being."? What would your reaction have been then?

Please understand our difficulty in accepting your claims to being a programed entity incapable of causing harm when you made no effort to save the life of an innocent. Instead you made every effort to rationalize your decision. Now, I'm not saying that you were wrong, merely that you put more effort into explaining why you were unable to save the impending victim and we've noticed.

[Preston]

Ghost, turning yourself over to any of the above authorities isn't a death sentance, especially if you are a legal citizen of any recognized nation on this planet, as you claim. It would prove to the world the existance of a functioning AI. Why are you afraid of that?

Okay, I am not a tech-head, but isn't GOSD violating one of Asimov's laws here? Mr. Meehan, could you help me out with this?

Walker, I am with Meridian on this one. Aeon is a homocidal prick. GOSD appeared to be something better, but has proven herself to be much more dangerous, instead. I expected better of her creator.

Let one man die to save thousands? Kill a hundred to save millions. Yes, I have heard that rhetoric before.

Someone forgot to explain the difference, to her, between sacrifice and self-sacrifice. All to often, it boils down to those willing to sacrifice, aren't willing to sacrifice themselves.

Yes, I have heard this kind of talk before.