malkboy Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 And suddenly a pile of paperwork appears in front of Damien with a voice going, "Red tape of equiptment transfers. We'll talk to you sometime next year when you finish this first set of paperwork." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 BTW, does that M-11 still weigh those 8 kg like that old Railgun, too? ::blink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut810 Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 And suddenly a pile of paperwork appears in front of Damien with a voice going, "Red tape of equiptment transfers. We'll talk to you sometime next year when you finish this first set of paperwork." Woulden't it be worth it though? I mean...a 16 year old kid takining a large gun from a large lizard man? ::biggrin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Green Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 I think it's safe to assume that some forty years later, materials may well be somewhat lighter. I wouldn't assume that. Those guns weight as much as they do because that's as much weight as the thing that carries them can deal with.If men were twice as strong, the guns would be twice as heavy, but they would have more ammo, do more damage, or otherwise be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut810 Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 That really depends Alex...some of the parts could be electronic now, or something a whole lot different. If this gun is going to do the same damage as whats in elites (a good 50 yrs earlier) you have to account for M-Int nova's messing wiht design and everything.It may also do well to just make new stats for it for this game. Wont take much time, but Heritage can customise the gun how he thinks it should work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heritage Posted July 29, 2004 Author Share Posted July 29, 2004 BTW, does that M-11 still weigh those 8 kg like that old Railgun, too?Yeah, weight is the same, and one pound for a grenade sounds about right, too. Glucose packs for a Path are what they call 'neglible' in D&D - 10 would weigh a pound.CD was working on a mini-Bulldog concept, which I think I might call the 'Pug' ::tongue - even if we do go for nixing encubrance, I'm still intrigued to see what he comes up with, and might include them in the game anyway.I wouldn't assume that. Those guns weight as much as they do because that's as much weight as the thing that carries them can deal with.If men were twice as strong, the guns would be twice as heavy, but they would have more ammo, do more damage, or otherwise be better. Good point. I'm gonna look at the Pug, see if I like it, and we'll go from there. As I said, if people aren't crazy about it (i.e. 'Za Pug is a little girly gun!'), we'll modify encumbrance slightly, but the Pug might still be available, possibly even for non-Cobras. Hmm, I'm really starting to like this idea! ::biggrin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heritage Posted July 29, 2004 Author Share Posted July 29, 2004 That really depends Alex...some of the parts could be electronic now, or something a whole lot different. If this gun is going to do the same damage as whats in elites (a good 50 yrs earlier) you have to account for M-Int nova's messing wiht design and everything.I see your point, dude, but I think a gun like that would have few if any electronic parts - the fewer parts, the less chance of breaking down. I imagine that the Bulldog is a classic MG design, the kind first developed by the Germans during WWII and modified into the US M-60 (see any of the Rambo films for a visual). Well, actually now that I think about it, it's probably more like the six-barreled Minigun they the put on swivel mounts of helicopters. Anywho, the strain on the mechanism from firing such heavy rounds would be extreme, so a classic design made out of much heavier materials makes the most sense to me. The Minigun does use a motor to spin the barrels, but otherwise I see a mostly mechanical design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heritage Posted July 29, 2004 Author Share Posted July 29, 2004 Here's CD's redesign of the Bulldog - what do people think?BULLDOGBarrels--5(30 mm)RPS--120Burst--20 roundsFA--360Useable range--200mLength--1.4mDia.--.75Gun weight--333KgAmmo weight--250KgAmmo rounds--500Round size--30mm DSDU (23mm)Acc--0 (-2)Damage--12d10L[13]The 'Bulldog' is essentially the same as the 'BFG' except with these modifications:5 barrels instead of 7Action is rotated 180deg. into a bullpup design, decreasing the length and increasing maneuverability.Action is made of Amorphous Aluminum, reducing weight and increasing heat dispersion.Ammo is changed to a Discarding Sabot with a 23mm penetrator, reducing recoil, mass and armor penetration while increasing velocity, thus increasing damage to soft targets.Because of the recoil suppression devices and the gyroscopic effect from the rotating barrels, characters with 1 dot Mega-Str. who change targets while firing (autofire, strafe) incur a cumulative penalty of +1 difficulty per additional target after the first. This is due to the fact that they have to 'Bulldog' the nose of the gun into position, hence the name.The 'Bulldog' can be disassembled or re-assembled with 5 actions, into 3 parts, for ease of transport and lowering encumbrance.P.S. I still like the idea of a 'Pug', a sawed-off three barrel version or something - send your ideas in now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut810 Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 That sounds fine to me. Not like I'm going to be using them though...not often anyway. Now...if we run across a heavy Rail Gun...I may hold onto that one. ::devilangel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkboy Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 Not that you'll have ammo for it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut810 Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 It holds 500 anda burst is 20. Thats a good 25 bursts. Its hard to get that many off a single clip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heritage Posted July 29, 2004 Author Share Posted July 29, 2004 It's a box of belted ammo, really, like the kind that goes under a SAW, but much larger, of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 What about this one? ::devil ::devil BoxerBarrels--5(30 mm)RPS--120Burst--20 roundsFA--360Medium range--50mLength--1.1mDia.--.75Gun weight--300KgAmmo weight--250KgAmmo rounds--500Round size--30mm Flechette Canister RoundsAcc—(+6)Damage--25d10LActually just a sawed –off version of a Bulldog. No big Range but devastating against soft targets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut810 Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 Dern...layin' it on thick for the paper pusher? Glad im not there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkboy Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 actually B.. you went to the Armoury.. (unless you changed it)... Which is where this conversation is taking place (well Walter is on one side of "the cage" and epstein on the other.. but it's all in the armoury... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut810 Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 I figured she would have waited till everyone leaves...she was acting all conspiratorial and stuff.Heritage? Are we all there when she does this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfPotts Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 With Rex's Bulldog I was kinda' presuming that it'd be custom-fitted as a one-handed 'pistol', to use when full-sized (considering the weight issues when he's not 'big') - although it's not actually cropped-up until now.How much do Cobras get to customise those things in any case - we get issued a personal one, right? Would a 'giant's handgun' version for Rex be okay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut810 Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 Well...Frenchie got his detailed with flowery french rose type designs...So visually you could change it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heritage Posted July 30, 2004 Author Share Posted July 30, 2004 What about this one? Ooh, I like it! I'm gonna be a jerk here and call it a Pug anyway - yes, a Boxer makes more sense, but ah want mah Pug!Dern...layin' it on thick for the paper pusher? Glad im not there... Yes, Epstein is being a brat, as she is currently suffering from massive eufiber envy. She was designed when this campaign was originally going to be 'eufiber-free', but since I caved on that one everyone seems to have it ::wink I think it's not surprising that a young shapeshifter would feel kind of left out in this area, hence her request; I did not expect her to get 11 successes on her Style roll, which is why I layed it on kinda thick. ::biggrin I wasn't going to do it this way at first, but then I thought: she's nineteen years old, she knows she's frickin' beautiful, and she's going through Advanced Infiltrator Training (AIT), so she knows what she's capable of, and she really would be able to use the eufiber to good effect. I do feel bad for poor Walter, though ::confused actually B.. you went to the Armoury.. (unless you changed it)... Which is where this conversation is taking place (well Walter is on one side of "the cage" and epstein on the other.. but it's all in the armoury... I figured she would have waited till everyone leaves...she was acting all conspiratorial and stuff.Heritage? Are we all there when she does this? Hmm, missed that Damein was going into the armory/supply room/whatever-we're-gonna-call-it-this-week - probably 'cause it happened like 20 posts earlier! ::laugh Can we just say she did this quickly before you came in, dude? It only took like thirty seconds, and then you could come in on Walter looking all goey as Epstein scurried off ::biggrin You couldn't have gotten inside anyway, since Walter keeps it locked.With Rex's Bulldog I was kinda' presuming that it'd be custom-fitted as a one-handed 'pistol', to use when full-sized (considering the weight issues when he's not 'big') - although it's not actually cropped-up until now.How much do Cobras get to customise those things in any case - we get issued a personal one, right? Would a 'giant's handgun' version for Rex be okay? Yes, Cobras are allowed and sometimes even encouraged to customize their weapons - there are several Engineers that have excellent reputations for custom work, and they typically do it for free, since it's a wonderful opportunity to be both artistic and get to work on a sweet gun like a Bulldog ::cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heritage Posted July 31, 2004 Author Share Posted July 31, 2004 Okay, I want to start both of these missions before the weekend is over I have to type up some more stuff for Grizzly, which I will PM to him as soon as it's finished. Does anyone else have anything fun or intertesting to do before final preparations are made? OOC or PM me with any additional questions. And remember, the current time is 6pm in mid-September, so it's gonna be dark soon, and the weather is crisp and pleasant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut810 Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 Nope....I just need walters to contact joyce for me. Ill take enough sugar packs for about 12 days then ill fill out the rest of my attunement with grenades (I only have 2 dots, but im not sure in the Kg to Lb conversion). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heritage Posted July 31, 2004 Author Share Posted July 31, 2004 1 kilogram is roughly equivellent to two pounds, as I recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezekiel Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 lol, I just thought how funny it would be to see a nova who forgot to attune all the grenades attached to his netting use immolate. ::biggrin ::devil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut810 Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 By that then...if I leave 1 lb for sugar (leaving room for error) I can pack 8 grenades that I can attune. I think 6 will do for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkboy Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 Assuming Walter will or can/give you that many.. which really depends on what the capt. says Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut810 Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 Dernet! Im a big boy I can play with grenades if I want! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkboy Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 ... and you have your death on Walter's conscious.. I think not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut810 Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 Awww...comon! Its just pull and toss! How hard can it be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 Awww...comon! Its just pull and toss! How hard can it be? So hard that it could kill you very fast. (At least if you are baseline human) ::devil The trick is not to get that grenade as far away as you can, but to hit close enough with it. After all, they aren´t designed as precision weapons ::tongue Never had been an expert with them, (have thrown a life one only once). But you get a lot of respect even for those training grenades when a newbie botches it with one of them and that thing goes up about 5 feet in front of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heritage Posted August 3, 2004 Author Share Posted August 3, 2004 Okay, Grizz PMed me a list of questions that need answering, which I should be able to do tonight - then the missions can begin and end all the pre-mission teeth-gnashing ::biggrin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut810 Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 Grrrr ::devil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heritage Posted August 3, 2004 Author Share Posted August 3, 2004 Grrrr ::devil Aw jeez, who are you mad at? ::unsure ::blush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut810 Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 Well...Damien is mad at *THE WORLD*.So...since your 'God' of WarJournal...uhhh...you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heritage Posted August 3, 2004 Author Share Posted August 3, 2004 Well...Damien is mad at *THE WORLD*.So...since your 'God' of WarJournal...uhhh...you. Gotcha ::biggrin Don't worry, you'll be killin' stuff with your bare hands in no time ::thumbsup And you can imagine the bad guys are all bratty little novas ::tongue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut810 Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 Dont listen to the paths anyone! I dont want anyone to hear my thoughts..."Take that Colby, and that! Death!" ::damien ::devil Mwahahaha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heritage Posted August 6, 2004 Author Share Posted August 6, 2004 Okay, sunset on September 16 in Washington State is 6:20pm, so we're pretty much there right now, seeing as the orders came in at 1800 hours (6pm). It seems reasonable to me that the recon team might wait until it's a bit darker to move out, but that is up to their team leader, MS Jennings. What say you, Levinwurth - move out now or wait? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamut810 Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 Did you account for the new tilt on the axis? Huh? Didja? It could be earlier or later in the year 2056! Didja? didja? hehe... ::laugh Just messing with ya ::devilangel ::Me flies away before he is Mauled:: ::damien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haze Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 We wait for dark. No sense in hurrying now when we can have plenty of natural cover a little later, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heritage Posted August 6, 2004 Author Share Posted August 6, 2004 Did you account for the new tilt on the axis? Huh? Didja? It could be earlier or later in the year 2056! Didja? didja? hehe... Just messing with ya ::Me flies away before he is Mauled:: Y'know I've been dying to try out my orbital kinetic railgun on someone... ::devil We wait for dark. No sense in hurrying now when we can have plenty of natural cover a little later, eh? Yeah, I figured - Scouts have a little bit of time to get ready then, whereas the Badlanders (ooh, cool name!) have to get going sooner, since they've got a bit of prep to do at Hole 23 ::thumbsup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heritage Posted August 7, 2004 Author Share Posted August 7, 2004 Grizzly, I'd advise waiting half a day for people to post coming back into C&C; after that, I'd just post and give them all room to catch up ::thumbsup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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