needle Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 Seriously here has this company lost the edge that brought us the kind of products that changed the Rpg industry during the 90s? Which products did you think were great for WW or sucked the wind out of the company's sails. Do you think the company will return to cutting edge design work or are the glory days long gone. I personally think that the cutting edge stuff is appearing on sites like this one. But hey what do I know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHILL Posted March 16, 2002 Share Posted March 16, 2002 Interesting thoughts Needle.*waves at Needle*I think perhaps way back when, WW kinda 'charged' into the RPG arena with Vampire, shaking things up nicely. Since that time they have needed to diversify quite a bit to keep things going (running my own business, this is something I know a little bit about) - but it can be damned hard to keep following up groundbreaking products with more groundbreaking products....Its a matter of going with what is safe, and trying to break new ground each time. If Ww are in business to make money - its logical to play it safe. If they want to keep shaking things up, then that takes risks - but that avenue doesn't always pay off.Not exactly a thorough reponse I know, more of my usual ramblings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeon Posted March 18, 2002 Share Posted March 18, 2002 I think that after a while most companies are doomed to mediocrity. At least in game industries where once they have defined a genre, they stick with it. Whereas many companies like WW, WotC and Microsoft were very dynamic to start with - they eventually get stuck in their "winning" formula, and often they start to be loathed - look at my other two examples. I would not be too surprised if WW slips down this slippery slope like many other companies. Sure it has some diamonds like Bruce Baugh working for it, but its will stagnate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No-Sheepish Posted March 19, 2002 Share Posted March 19, 2002 I have to say that I agree with Needle. White Wolf has been changing into something that I don't particularly care for. Game lines that had great ideas and really imaginative get discarded and games that I couldn't give a rat's ass about are turned into the center points of the WW universe. It's like WW was a great close friend in high school but during college, the two of us are just drifting apart now.My game group has the books we use since the newest items just don't hold any interest to us. Last year I bought over 20 new books for my collection. This year I have bought 3. Even the new stuff on the release schedule holds no interest to me.I'll just make sure not to hold my breath for AsAs. Hopefully InUn will hold me over.No Sheep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harlequin Posted March 19, 2002 Share Posted March 19, 2002 eek! if all the trinity fans held their breath waiting for the next book we'd kill ourselves off in under and hour and then ww could dump the line because no one bought anything because we were all dead... -harle (perhaps i should lay off the caffeine) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Posted March 19, 2002 Share Posted March 19, 2002 Harle, less caffeine, more lithium. -Joseph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needle Posted March 19, 2002 Author Share Posted March 19, 2002 All of the WW Complainants aside for a minute, Am still a fan of the designers, its the direction that the company is drifting towards that has me worried. Nice to see you Sheep :wavesmiley Chill(chris or chill?) the mind boggles at the company's history & where they've landed. Seems to me that the mystery of the Wod is being sucked out faster than oxygen at a Las Vagas casino Demon the Fallen, Ok am looking at this as The infernal in or the infernal out issue. Has anyone read the Vampire Storyteller's Revised Book. " Ya so the golden applies but we know better than you crap is there" Please.... :crysmiley Right now am in the middle of KOE writing phase for my local con. Sorry Chris I really haven't forgot this site. :sneaky So with all of the revised crap it feels like a punch to the gut. Ya I know this is all old terrority but hey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needle Posted March 19, 2002 Author Share Posted March 19, 2002 I've just reread that post & boy do I sound like a Whiner. :crysmiley Now the bottom line asside WW seems to be taking the slide towards bottom of the Barrel. I really like these people to, not that I've been to Christmas partys or anything :xmas The only reason I said that is because I've been trying to work in the X-mas smilees. Say Bree you've said that you've played KoE. Need advice. :angry :nervous ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeon Posted March 20, 2002 Share Posted March 20, 2002 The thing is Needle, that it is not whiney, its the trith and its the way that most fans are starting to feel towards WW. ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harlequin Posted March 20, 2002 Share Posted March 20, 2002 obviously not enough of them though to prevent things like demon or everquest...-harle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHILL Posted March 20, 2002 Share Posted March 20, 2002 ::giggles:: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needle Posted March 21, 2002 Author Share Posted March 21, 2002 OK, I've just gotten off the chat with Breearg & the stuff we tossed back & forth. On WW, the thing is that companies like WoC, WhizKids, Etc. Are the industry standard & what i've wish for years is for WW to be straight. The products run the gamut from sheer drek and the scale depends on the consumer really. Editorship has been my biggest complaint with them. I really like to see adult games & no I mean adult as in grown up. Adult as in consistance. Its one thing to talk about a game of personal horror, its another to come out with a revised edition every two years. Now Vampire Dark Ages Revised. :0 Face it THE WORLD OF DARKNESS IS EXPLORED :shocksmiley LETS MOVE ON, (stops shouting) to evercrack land :sneaky I want something like ? What are your thoughts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harlequin Posted March 21, 2002 Share Posted March 21, 2002 i'd like to see aberrant rewrite to be more than a nice storybook... i considered doing it myself and after i came out of the coma induced by the thought of it i gave it up...as far as other games go, i'd love to see trinity and adventure! taken farther, but who wouldn't? when it comes to thinking of concepts for games i'm not to good, although i'd like to see more space based ones....hey needle, we should start an "I Hate WoD" club, it be all bitching, all the time! :Thumbs Up -harle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeon Posted March 21, 2002 Share Posted March 21, 2002 Woohoo! A new EON section! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needle Posted March 21, 2002 Author Share Posted March 21, 2002 Confessions of A White Wolf Slut By. E.Fabiaschi Yes you read the title right, I've played them all. From Arts Magica to Hunter & All of the Revised Stuff. I also own them all I've bought every damn book the company has come out with. So if Iam bitching than I've bought the right to bitch :angry :colgate Rpgs are a cornerstone of my life, no really its the passion that I share with my girlfriend & her kids. I love wrting here because its such fun. :animsmiley You guys are the best. You haven't lost the prospective that Abby should be fun. Oh, WW is moving so my order will be late. :crysmiley How about I run an Adventure game in April? :sarcasm Seriously :notify Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harlequin Posted March 22, 2002 Share Posted March 22, 2002 adventure! rocks... -harle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breearg Posted March 22, 2002 Share Posted March 22, 2002 I have done KoE... I also hate it.Advice: Burn the book... quickI agree about the fading mystery of the WoD--when I first picked up Vampire 2nd edition I was very impressed. When I picked up "The Antedeluvians: Where They Are and Who They Are Sleeping With"and"Assamites: A Guide to Randomly Joining the Camarilla"I got kind of sick. And then, in my opinion, Exalted raped the original strong foundation of the world.The World of Darkness is deadLong live the Trinity UNIVERSE!-Breearg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeon Posted March 22, 2002 Share Posted March 22, 2002 Seconded! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Mal Posted March 22, 2002 Share Posted March 22, 2002 I thought 'officially' the Aeonverse was dead, this site and others are trying to resurrect it from the dead, to restore its humanity, to... OH MY GOD, IT'S VAMPIRE AFTERALL! Cunning wolf, cunning.P.S. I love wrting here because its such fun. You guys are the best. Cue the love in, people. Lets swing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeon Posted March 22, 2002 Share Posted March 22, 2002 LoL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No-Sheepish Posted March 23, 2002 Share Posted March 23, 2002 I agree about the fading mystery of the WoD--when I first picked up Vampire 2nd edition I was very impressed. When I picked up "The Antedeluvians: Where They Are and Who They Are Sleeping With"and"Assamites: A Guide to Randomly Joining the Camarilla"I got kind of sick. And then, in my opinion, Exalted raped the original strong foundation of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHILL Posted March 23, 2002 Share Posted March 23, 2002 yeah that reminds me....I've gotta convert that fantasy prg to pdf so you guys can use it......Ill add it to the (really long and growing) list of things to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeon Posted March 25, 2002 Share Posted March 25, 2002 Why has this message merged with a poll? :butbut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breearg Posted March 25, 2002 Share Posted March 25, 2002 I noticed that on several posts and its scaring me! It's the end of the world!! AHHHHH! CHICKEN LITTLE!!!!!!!-Breearg :music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeon Posted March 25, 2002 Share Posted March 25, 2002 Sorry. 'Tis a technical problem that Admin is gonna fix as soon as possible. Poor him, as if he did not have enough to worry about already! :huh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breearg Posted March 25, 2002 Share Posted March 25, 2002 Yup, poor Chris ::sighs::-BreeargWho's noticed that HE doesn't get sympathy--just gets locked in a cage, whipped and tormented! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeon Posted March 25, 2002 Share Posted March 25, 2002 Neither do I. And I have been tormented by Chill for longer than you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No-Sheepish Posted March 25, 2002 Share Posted March 25, 2002 Hey, this torment thing sounds fun. Where can I sign up?No Sheep :devil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHILL Posted March 25, 2002 Share Posted March 25, 2002 heh heh heh::runs for cover:: :bigsmile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Mal Posted March 25, 2002 Share Posted March 25, 2002 *Sets up small but official looking stall*Torment get your torment here! Pain and suffering, get em while they're hot, they're lovely! :crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breearg Posted March 25, 2002 Share Posted March 25, 2002 Now THAT is why the Bharati Commonwealth Aberrant Response Force (BCARF) is still in business!!!-BreeargIf only there was a smilie of a dude blowing up an Aberrant... :alien <---- :angry :crazy <---- :thumbs-up I totally screwed up that Abbie's mind with my death-ray vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Posted March 25, 2002 Share Posted March 25, 2002 I'm not even going to attempt that one, Bree. There's just not enough pixels to go around for it.Though if I can get real creative, maybe a really tiny Wycoff could happen.16x16. You call those pixels? :sneaky2 -Joseph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breearg Posted March 26, 2002 Share Posted March 26, 2002 The exploded Wycoff would be hardcore!!!!!!-Breearg :withstupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Posted March 26, 2002 Share Posted March 26, 2002 Oo, hardcore. I don't do hardcore, so any of those pics you see out there on the net, those aren't me. I'm strictly a softcore kind of guy. Sometimes I wonder who Chill's gonna boot from the forums first. I think Mal may still be in the lead. -Joseph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeon Posted March 26, 2002 Share Posted March 26, 2002 Heh heh heh. And Chill thinks I want to be a moderator so I can take care of those who join the forum later...Oh Mal! :devil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Posted March 26, 2002 Share Posted March 26, 2002 Oo! Me too! Me too! Chill should make all three of us Moderators. His board should be able to handle the extra stress. I seriously doubt we could crash it more than, say, twice per week. :devil If you get moderated, limit Mal to only the Trinity sections. That'll show him. -Joseph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHILL Posted March 26, 2002 Share Posted March 26, 2002 Actually, I was thinking of limiting Mal to the Cult Of Mal section..........that way, you know, he can play in there, and we can...... well, ignore him comes to mind :sneaky2 :sigh :thumbs-up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 Speaking of the COM section of the forum, it's been kind of slow in there, huh? -Joseph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHILL Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 uuum...as encouraging as that sounds - its actually cos it aint been launched yet.The C.O.M. Forum goes live when th site does - the site should go live very soon..... there's just some final things being worked on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeon Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 I like it the way it is at the moment. :devil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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