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Seriously here has this company lost the edge that brought us the kind of products that changed the Rpg industry during the 90s? Which products did you think were great for WW or sucked the wind out of the company's sails. Do you think the company will return to cutting edge design work or are the glory days long gone. I personally think that the cutting edge stuff is appearing on sites like this one. But hey what do I know?

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Interesting thoughts Needle.

*waves at Needle*

I think perhaps way back when, WW kinda 'charged' into the RPG arena with Vampire, shaking things up nicely.  Since that time they have needed to diversify quite a bit to keep things going (running my own business, this is something I know a little bit about) - but it can be damned hard to keep following up groundbreaking products with more groundbreaking products....

Its a matter of going with what is safe, and trying to break new ground each time.  If Ww are in business to make money - its logical to play it safe.  If they want to keep shaking things up, then that takes risks - but that avenue doesn't always pay off.

Not exactly a thorough reponse I know, more of my usual ramblings ;)

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I think that after a while most companies are doomed to mediocrity.  At least in game industries where once they have defined a genre, they stick with it.  Whereas many companies like WW, WotC and Microsoft were very dynamic to start with - they eventually get stuck in their "winning" formula, and often they start to be loathed - look at my other two examples.  I would not be too surprised if WW slips down this slippery slope like many other companies.  Sure it has some diamonds like Bruce Baugh working for it, but its will stagnate.

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I have to say that I agree with Needle. White Wolf has been changing into something that I don't particularly care for. Game lines that had great ideas and really imaginative get discarded and games that I couldn't give a rat's ass about are turned into the center points of the WW universe.

It's like WW was a great close friend in high school but during college, the two of us are just drifting apart now.

My game group has the books we use since the newest items just don't hold any interest to us. Last year I bought over 20 new books for my collection. This year I have bought 3. Even the new stuff on the release schedule holds no interest to me.

I'll just make sure not to hold my breath for AsAs. Hopefully InUn will hold me over.

No Sheep

:(

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eek! if all the trinity fans held their breath waiting for the next book we'd kill ourselves off in under and hour and then ww could dump the line because no one bought anything because we were all dead...

-harle (perhaps i should lay off the caffeine)

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All of the WW Complainants  aside for a minute, Am still a fan of the designers, its the direction that the company is drifting towards that has me worried. Nice to see you Sheep    :wavesmiley

 Chill(chris or chill?) the mind boggles  at the company's history & where they've landed. Seems to me that the mystery of the Wod is being sucked out faster than oxygen at a Las Vagas casino ;)

 Demon the Fallen, Ok am looking at this as The infernal in or the infernal out issue. Has anyone read the Vampire Storyteller's Revised Book. " Ya so the golden applies but we know better than you crap is there" Please.... :crysmiley

  Right now am in the middle of KOE writing phase for my local con. Sorry Chris I really haven't forgot this site.  :sneaky   So with all of the revised crap it feels like a punch to the gut. Ya I know this is all old terrority but hey.

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I've just reread that post & boy do I sound like a Whiner. :crysmiley Now the bottom line asside WW seems to be taking the slide towards bottom of the Barrel. I really like these people to, not that I've been to Christmas partys or anything :xmas The only reason I said that is because I've been trying to work in the X-mas smilees. Say Bree you've said that you've played KoE. Need advice.  :angry  :nervous  ???

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OK, I've just gotten off the chat with Breearg & the stuff we tossed back & forth. On WW, the thing is that companies like WoC, WhizKids, Etc. Are the industry standard & what i've wish for years is for WW to be straight. The products run the gamut from sheer drek and the scale depends on the consumer really. Editorship has been my biggest complaint with them. I really like to see adult games & no I mean adult as in grown up. Adult as in consistance. Its one thing to talk about a game of personal horror, its another to come out with a revised edition every two years. Now Vampire Dark Ages Revised.  :0

Face it THE WORLD OF DARKNESS IS EXPLORED :shocksmiley

LETS MOVE ON, (stops shouting) to evercrack land :sneaky

I want something like ? What are your thoughts

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i'd like to see aberrant rewrite to be more than a nice storybook... i considered doing it myself and after i came out of the coma induced by the thought of it i gave it up...

as far as other games go, i'd love to see trinity and adventure! taken farther, but who wouldn't? when it comes to thinking of concepts for games i'm not to good, although i'd like to see more space based ones....

hey needle, we should start an "I Hate WoD" club, it be all bitching, all the time!  :Thumbs Up

-harle

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Confessions of A White Wolf Slut By. E.Fabiaschi

 Yes you read the title right, I've played them all. From Arts Magica to Hunter & All of the Revised Stuff. I also own them all I've bought every damn book the company has come out with. So if Iam bitching than I've bought the right to bitch :angry  :colgate

 Rpgs are a cornerstone of my life, no really its the passion that I share with my girlfriend & her kids. I love wrting here because its such fun. :animsmiley You guys are the best. You haven't lost the prospective that Abby should be fun. Oh, WW is moving so my order will be late. :crysmiley

How about I run an Adventure game in April? :sarcasm Seriously  :notify

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I have done KoE... I also hate it.

Advice: Burn the book... quick

I agree about the fading mystery of the WoD--when I first picked up Vampire 2nd edition I was very impressed.  When I picked up

"The Antedeluvians:  Where They Are and Who They Are Sleeping With"

and

"Assamites: A Guide to Randomly Joining the Camarilla"

I got kind of sick.  And then, in my opinion, Exalted raped the original strong foundation of the world.

The World of Darkness is dead

Long live the Trinity UNIVERSE!

-Breearg

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I thought 'officially' the Aeonverse was dead, this site and others are trying to resurrect it from the dead, to restore its humanity, to... OH MY GOD, IT'S VAMPIRE AFTERALL! :D

Cunning wolf, cunning.

P.S.

I love wrting here because its such fun.  You guys are the best.
Cue the love in, people. Lets swing!
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I agree about the fading mystery of the WoD--when I first picked up Vampire 2nd edition I was very impressed.  When I picked up

"The Antedeluvians:  Where They Are and Who They Are Sleeping With"

and

"Assamites: A Guide to Randomly Joining the Camarilla"

I got kind of sick.  And then, in my opinion, Exalted raped the original strong foundation of the world.

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Now THAT is why the Bharati Commonwealth Aberrant Response Force (BCARF) is still in business!!!

-Breearg

If only there was a smilie of a dude blowing up an Aberrant...

:alien   <----   :angry

:crazy  <----  :thumbs-up

I totally screwed up that Abbie's mind with my death-ray vision.

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Oo, hardcore. I don't do hardcore, so any of those pics you see out there on the net, those aren't me. I'm strictly a softcore kind of guy.  :D

Sometimes I wonder who Chill's gonna boot from the forums first. I think Mal may still be in the lead.  :P

-Joseph

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Oo! Me too! Me too! Chill should make all three of us Moderators. His board should be able to handle the extra stress. I seriously doubt we could crash it more than, say, twice per week.  :devil

If you get moderated, limit Mal to only the Trinity sections. That'll show him.  :P

-Joseph

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uuum...

as encouraging as that sounds - its actually cos it aint been launched yet.

The C.O.M. Forum goes live when th site does - the site should go live very soon.....  there's just some final things being worked on.

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