Jess OOC Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 This thread is for out-of-character discussion of the Demon the Descent genre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyoseph Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 One of the points of this particular game that I'm very much interested in is the Pact system. Unfortunately (at least imho) it is one of the less precisely written areas of the game. Does the overall organization have an Addendum in place to handle this? Is there room to adjust or make additions to said addendum if not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukylexy Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 The Demon the Descent Addendum is pending currently, according to the repository for the SPI Addenda: http://wiki.shadowplayinternational.org/index.php/Global_Addenda_and_Settings_Documents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess OOC Posted November 25, 2014 Author Share Posted November 25, 2014 Ayup. That Addendum is a work in progress, and I'm honestly trying to wait until we get a Global Genre Storyteller for Descent before I move much further along on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess OOC Posted December 15, 2014 Author Share Posted December 15, 2014 I'm going to have a couple slow weeks at the end of this month; as nobody has stepped up for GGST for Descent, I'll start working on draft addenda myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess OOC Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 For those curious about such things, development of the Demon the Descent Global Addendum is happening. It's slow, it's thorny, but it is happening. A very rough draft -- still pending dealing with the Embeds and Exploits, mind you -- is here, if you're curious: http://jessilaurn.com/Global-Dra…/…/Addendum_DtD_2015-06.pdf And yes, I welcome feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyoseph Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 My interest in it is mostly in the clarification of how pacts and the associated covers work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ D Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Of note, its High Approval for a Pact to have a permanent duration, whereas the book presents it as the norm (Pacts are usually permanent, lasting... p193.) To do otherwise gives the demon a 1 dot burner cover instead of cover xp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyoseph Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 See that right there is an immediate turn-off. Not the permanent duration, that's just how things are done. The fact that there's an approval attached to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ D Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Aside from that do you have any specific concerns about the pact system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyoseph Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 The main thing that I've been curious about is how folks address the fact that these things are physical documents, even after they are used for Cover experience. What happens when one is damaged or destroyed but you've already "cashed it in" to make a Cover? Do you suddenly lose your dog / significant other / job / what have you? One thought that I considered myself was making the pacts operate more like "vouchers" than anything else. For the mortal making the deal, the benefits take effect immediately but on the Demon's side it doesn't actually do anything. Yet. Able to be redeemed for (x cover element) by any given Demon once but when that happened, they were no longer valuable in their physical form. The cover is established, demon magic used. Basically this avoids a lot of mechanical confusion of what happens and also makes it so a demon player doesn't need to keep track of binders of pact information both IC and OOC in order to play the game. On the story side, it allows for things like "buyer's remorse" on the part of the mortal and it allows the Demon to cultivate mortal elements so that their covers aren't just piles and piles of horrible things and bad decisions. Example: Demon Michael and Mortal John. John is having severe issues with most every element of his life. He's broke, jobless, and his ex Jenny is a crazy stalker who hates him. Michael goes over to John and offers to solve them in a single fell swoop. He will solve the job problem, solve the money problem, and in time, he will take John's relationship with Jenny though this will take some time. (Mechanically, adding merit dots to John, adding cover element (Jenny) John's fine with this. After all, all they do is fight. And if Michael can make the rest happen, he'll be a happy camper. So the deal is made, John's benefits kick on immediately and at some point in the future Michael will come for Jenny. The only thing he's not allowed to do is forget about her. Now here's where the fuckery comes in. Before he comes and claims his due (adding the Cover) Michael goes to work on Jenny. Over the next couple days, weeks, months, however long, he solves their issues, gets them back together, fixes up their relationship to the point where it's thriving and golden. At this point, Michael has a cover contract for a thriving and golden relationship with Jenny. Still not worth much in the cover department (original values hold) but that's not the point. At this point he can call it in, sell it to some other Demon (Cover element that's not inherently crappy?!?!?! Yes please!!!) or go back to John and see if he wants to renegotiate. It's much easier to explain in person so I don't know if I'm saying this right in this medium but hopefully the basics at least are conveyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ D Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Thematically you do lose the aspect of existence which may make things awkward. Mechanically destroyed pact thats part of a cover is an automatic loss of dot of cover (and check for permanent glitch.) At the end of the day bookkeeping is going to matter for each and every pact, since wording can matter, and what the pact is matters. Interface adds Promissory Pacts as a potential factor for either side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess OOC Posted January 3, 2015 Author Share Posted January 3, 2015 Interface is full of shiny and win... and was added (along with Embeds & Exploits) to the draft today. Which also ditched the approvals for duration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess OOC Posted February 25, 2015 Author Share Posted February 25, 2015 The Demon the Descent Addendum has moved from Draft to Live status. It's good to go, and you can find it here: http://wiki.shadowplayinternational.org/index.php/Global_Addenda_and_Settings_Documents#The_God-Machine_Chronicle_.28NWoD_2nd_Edition.29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ D Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 What does "Live Status" actually mean as far as players go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess OOC Posted February 26, 2015 Author Share Posted February 26, 2015 That means that this is officially the addendum in place for the start of the chronicle... which means that you can use it for creating your PCs without worrying that it's going to be upended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess OOC Posted March 12, 2015 Author Share Posted March 12, 2015 Question: does anyone have an interest in being the Storyteller for Demon the Descent for the play-by-post game here? - Jess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess OOC Posted March 23, 2015 Author Share Posted March 23, 2015 We have our Cape Town Demon sub-forum now! If someone is interested in running this, please contact the Domain Storyteller, Dawn-OOC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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