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[Ravi FitzCoventry]

I've heard that Claws is a very versatile power too...  

[Damon]

Originally Posted By: Ravi FitzCoventry

I've heard that Claws is a very versatile power too...  

*cough*broken*cough*

[iamthedave]

Mastered, Armour piercing, ranged claws for the win?

[Dawn OOC]

Originally Posted By: iamthedave

Mastered, Armour piercing, ranged claws for the win?

Dude, any time you put 'Mastered' on something, you've just made it a 'win'.  If you want something that's actually reasonable and still pretty hot, AP and Aggro are painful.

[iamthedave]

To be honest, Aggrevated claws would probably be far more broken than mastered claws.

Mastered you just get double the damage

Aggravated CAN'T BE SOAKED.

I hate aggravated damage. I banned it from my game outright.

[Dawn OOC]

Originally Posted By: iamthedave

To be honest, Aggrevated claws would probably be far more broken than mastered claws.

Mastered you just get double the damage

Aggravated CAN'T BE SOAKED.

I hate aggravated damage. I banned it from my game outright.

That is not true.  Aggro can be soaked with 3 NP (or 5 xp).  The Hardbody Enhancement lets you treat Aggro like Lethal.

[Courier]

Agg Claws is a lot weaker than our intuition says (even without the errata nerfing it).

Claws does two things.
1) It does an die of damage per dot which stacks with str.
2) It converts strength damage to lethal damage.

Agg/ranged/area/burning would affect only the extra die of damage in #1.

[iamthedave]

Oh it was errated?

I also figured that it would work with mega strength as well. So how do aggravated claws work?

Even so, mastered claws isn't THAT nasty. Sure it hits hard, but a Str 1 character with mastered claws 5 is still only doing... 11D10L?

Only gets brutal with mega strength on top.

[Courier]

Agg Claws does "dots in claws + succ" in dice in agg damage.

[Ravi FitzCoventry]

Claws converts your close combat damage (punches and kicks etc) into Lethal damage, as well as adding a die of damage per rank in Claws.

With the Agg extra, that converts to Aggravated damage.

I've seen the web-based errata that seems to be lifted from the APG, stating that Agg. Claws do damage as Courier suggested.

I own two solid copies as well as a few digital copies of the APG, though, and haven't seen that Claws rule in them.  Looks like someone tried to retro-edit to stop a 'game-breaking' power, which considering the game is Aberrant, and has more game-breaking possibilities than 1st Ed Shadowrun AND Rifts, is kind of laughable.

Dawn's right - if you wet your diapers over someone running around with mega-str and agg claws, just get Hardbody, or Impervious for a defensive power.  With those two (cheap) options out there making Aggs less of a threat, to nerf an aggravated damage power further is to neutralise the value of the points put into them.

Or, y'know, just be someone that doesn't get involved with all that crude *snikt-bub* stuff.

[Dawn OOC]

Originally Posted By: Ravi FitzCoventry

Or, y'know, just be someone that doesn't get involved with all that crude *snikt-bub* stuff.

But!  *Snikt-bub* is so much fun!  

Originally Posted By: iamthedave

Oh it was errated?

I also figured that it would work with mega strength as well. So how do aggravated claws work?

Even so, mastered claws isn't THAT nasty. Sure it hits hard, but a Str 1 character with mastered claws 5 is still only doing... 11D10L?

Only gets brutal with mega strength on top.

Yeah, and you'll almost never seen a PC without at least a 3 Str and claws, and if you're bothering to Master it, then you care about damage output.  At an extreme, you're looking at Str 5, MStr 6 - 30 autos + 15d10 L.  Of course for real damage output, you make it a Mastered Q-bolt instead and neuter its range.  I've seen what those do in-game.  My PC made a lake from the crater he caused.  Imagine what a range-touch, Mastered QBolt would do to a chest?  

[Stargaizer]

Now what's really fun is when you have your uber claws and the flaw that they're always active.  Makes dealing with people without invulnerability or a large lethal soak interesting.

[iamthedave]

Unlock it without error? ba-bum tssh

D & D link for the victory!