Trinity RPG - The UN in the 22nd century

[BertJammin]

There's a number of mentions of the United Nations in teh Trinity books (particularly in military efforts & Operation:Recontact). My question is how do they operate now? Are they seen as just a pawn of the AEon Trinity or do they still have some influence and power?

What nations are part of the UN now? I'd assume Brazil, Australia, China and UAN but what about Nippon, the FSA and the various European states?

[Alex Green]

IMHO the UN is going to be a lot weaker just because there's a lot less international cooperation.

[Blue Thunder]

The Trinity Player's Guide details the UN with a few pages.

Basically, the UN is more powerful and effective in 2120 Trinity than it ever has been before. It was a powerful force against the Aberrants during the Aberrant War (and before that, it was a powerful force of nova support). It helps establish a lot of international laws that nations respect. Aeon plays a part in UN affairs though, and it very well could be a puppet in certain regards.

And as far as I know every nation is a part of the UN, though I'm sure a few rogue states and places in civil war aren't members (I'd hazard to guess parts of the Shatter, Iraq, and the Sinai Peninsula). I remember reading somewhere that China and Nippon were the most influential and powerful of the Asian nations in the UN. The most powerful UN nations are China, Brazil, and the UAN (United African Nations).

The biggest difference between Trinity's UN and ours is that Trinity's UN is respected and is effective when it acts.

[Arashi]

The biggest difference between Trinity's UN and ours is that Trinity's UN is respected and is effective when it acts.

I think I remember reading that the UN has it's own military forces, at least in space. I'm not sure if it's right, but when so, it would be a major difference, too.

[BertJammin]

I think I remember reading that the UN has it's own military forces, at least in space. I'm not sure if it's right, but when so, it would be a major difference, too.

I have a vague recollection of that too - if anyone can confirm it I'd like to know where the reference is.

[Arashi]

I have a vague recollection of that too - if anyone can confirm it I'd like to know where the reference is.

Found it ::smile

Players guide, Page 92 - 93.

Summs up to the UN having a military force in civil war regions etc (in larger conflicts in cooperation with forces from different nations) and a better equipped UNAC (United Nations Aberrant Commando) which serves as the frontline against Aberrants and Aliens.

[BertJammin]

Found it ::smile

Players guide, Page 92 - 93.

Summs up to the UN having a military force in civil war regions etc (in larger conflicts in cooperation with forces from different nations) and a better equipped UNAC (United Nations Aberrant Commando) which serves as the frontline against Aberrants and Aliens.

You, sirrah, are a star.

Many thanks.

This is all coming out from playing HALO action clix with my son. I think he'd like to play Trinity as a UN commando...

[Captether]

The Trinity Player's Guide details the UN with a few pages.

Basically, the UN is more powerful and effective in 2120 Trinity than it ever has been before. It was a powerful force against the Aberrants during the Aberrant War (and before that, it was a powerful force of nova support). It helps establish a lot of international laws that nations respect. Aeon plays a part in UN affairs though, and it very well could be a puppet in certain regards.

My sister worked for the Center for Disease Control (Polio Eradication) and worked a great deal with the United Nations and the World Health Organization. She (and sooooo many others) have pronounced the UN and WHO useless. At present, the US floats the bill for pretty much all of the big projects that the WHO is credited with, both in money and specialist manpower.

Obviously, the UN of the Trinity era is far more efficient, though likely still a bureaucratic nightmare of red tape and corrupted officials. Perhaps by the Trinity era, the UN has learned from its past cooperation with the CDC, as Africa is such a big player, this seems logical. Still, we might draw from the present state of affairs for game purposes:

From what I understand, standard procedure for sending UN/WHO/CDC efforts and collaborations involve assembling a team of specialists as diverse as a mechanic, a biochemist and a witch-doctor (not joking), supplying them with appropriate gear, and sending them into hell.

Sounds like a group of player characters to me...

These teams are pretty much left to their own devices, being expected to get the job done without needing their hands held. Resources are not always available, and those re-supplies may never get there. So you have to improvise.

[Arashi]

Obviously, the UN of the Trinity era is far more efficient, though likely still a bureaucratic nightmare of red tape and corrupted officials. Perhaps by the Trinity era, the UN has learned from its past cooperation with the CDC, as Africa is such a big player, this seems logical.

I would have guessed that the most important change is how people accept the UN. Today most people consider it unimportant or a tool to reach their own goals.

In the Trinity Era, when the UN declared and mainly waged the war (although unsuccesfull) to save Humanity from the Abbis and with the newly discovered external threats like the Coalition and the Chromatics I think most people are able to see the need to rally behind one organisation which keeps peace on earth and coordinates the nations, NGO and all others in kicking alien butt, should they come to close to Terra.

Just consider what would happen today with the world order, if possibly hostile aliens would be discovered flying to earth and to land in say 50 years ...

Rallying behind the US? No go for many nations, as well as Rallying behing China, India, Russia, th EU ... leaves only the UN ::smile

My opinion ^^

[Sprocket]

My sister worked for the Center for Disease Control (Polio Eradication) and worked a great deal with the United Nations and the World Health Organization. She (and sooooo many others) have pronounced the UN and WHO useless. At present, the US floats the bill for pretty much all of the big projects that the WHO is credited with, both in money and specialist manpower.

Obviously, the UN of the Trinity era is far more efficient, though likely still a bureaucratic nightmare of red tape and corrupted officials. Perhaps by the Trinity era, the UN has learned from its past cooperation with the CDC, as Africa is such a big player, this seems logical.

I expect that the early- to mid-21st Century efforts of Aeon & disaffected former Utopian nova idealists - combined with the pressure of circumstance - did much to whip the UN into shape & purge its corrupt elements. Corruption could easily have returned to the UN after the Nova Exodus & subsequent Crash was over with, though.

[Alex Green]

Corruption in the UN is mostly because of the way it's run/set up... and because as a "multi-cultural" institution some of the underlying cultures have different views on "corruption".

[Captether]

Corruption in the UN is mostly because of the way it's run/set up... and because as a "multi-cultural" institution some of the underlying cultures have different views on "corruption".

Well, most of the "Third World" is run by warlords that are little more than gangsters (with more than a few as veritable Nazis), who just dont give a damn about their people. And the present UN philosophy is all about appeasement tactics rather than decisive action. Of course more than a few nations (Germany, Russia, US, etc) support those warlords with weapons and other amenities for dumping rights, access to resources etc.

Its all a big ol MESS!

It doesn't take too much effort to translate this all into a Trinity era game. Of course, now the FSA and much or Europe is like the modern era third world. Ruled by dystopic overlords, warlords and criminals. Since Africa is now the lead nation in the UN, I could see them having learned the hard way how NOT to run things.

But how WOULD Africa run/lead?

[Blue Thunder]

But how WOULD Africa run/lead?

Good question. For Bright Continent (the fan e-book I was/am working on) The United African Nations (UAN) is a powerful world force, second only to the New Chinese Empire.

Unofficial info:

(this is a brief description of some of the stuff we've done for BC)

Before and during the Aberrant War they were taken advantage of. But now Africa is completely under the control of Africans. But that doesn't mean there is peace within Africa. North Africa is still a hotbed of extremist Islam violence. South Africa took over neighboring countries during the Aberrant War and is now called Suheli and is in constant conflict with Zimbabwe. In addition, Suheli is the most militant of all the powerful African nations except for Egypt, which isn't even part of the UAN. Egypt now has to deal with Israel controlling the Suez canal and Sinai peninsula. Ethiopia and Somalia are still bitter enemies and the Ogadeu Desert between the two of them has been declared UAN territory in order to prevent the two nations from going to war. Ethiopia refuses to become a full member of the UAN even though it helped form the government. Zambia is basically a smaller FSA, being completely run by corporations. Nigeria has Aberrant cults to deal with, causing a lot of ethnic strife. Nations like Uganda (now Uganda and Buganda) and Sudan (Now North Sudan, South Sudan, and Darfur) have split apart and are enemies with their former selves while other nations have voluntarily combined together, such as Senegal and Gambia (to form Senegambia) and Togo and Benin (to form Kumi Na Nane). Nations like Chad have had their territory taken over by neighbors to the point that they barely exist. Racism and feelings of black supremacy are prevalent in many regions due to the rapid economic growth of the continent bringing about feelings of superiority. But this growth hasn't been felt everywhere. Rich nations are not necessarily populous nations, and this has caused discord, and North Africa has barely benefited at all. Then there are the religious issues between Christianity, Islam, and local tribal religions, and whether or not it is acceptable to have theocracies within the UAN. The various nations of the UAN all have their own governments, each one different and unique, and these all combine together to form one larger government. And there's the fact that there are also tribal governments in the UAN structure.

*breathes in*

Then there are setting-related issues such as lingering Taint zones in Zimbabwe, strange psion involvement in the Comoros Islands, the formation of the Eighth Legion (Africa), Egypt's secret attempts at creating novas, the sudden appearance of a new psi order, and the fact that the Colony has chosen Madagascar as one of it's primary landing points for an invasion and has already begun attacks...

So Africa is just as screwed up as everywhere else, maybe even more so. They just have more money and space colonies than most. The UAN members also do a really good job of pretending to be best friends when they would honestly like to strangle each other.

As for the direct UAN-to-UN situation? Africa benefited a lot from the UN and Aeon during the Aberrant War and the time just before it. It would make sense for the UAN to have a good working relationship with Aeon, and be on good terms with the UN. Also as part of the UAN's charter or whatever the UAN members make UN decisions as one. So if a great majority of the UAN wants to support a UN resolution, they ALL have to support it.

[Arashi]

They just have more money and space colonies than most. The UAN members also do a really good job of pretending to be best friends when they would honestly like to strangle each other.

Sounds a bit like the European Union today ::wacko

Why do you all say the UAN is a mayor force in the UN? I can't remember reading anything about it, did I miss it somewhere?

The Core Book states that India is big at negotiations and mediating between other countries, so I think they would be very influential in the UN, too.

[Blue Thunder]

China, the UAN, and Brazil are the new world powers so they would have the most influence in the UN. I also remember reading that China and Japan are said to have the most power in the UN among Asian nations.