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Aberrant: Stepping from Eden - Stepping from Eden

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Rorx    3

Just a post to get the topic started. When I get some time I'll put up some info about Eden, and hopefully some stuff about events/attitudes since contact with the Upeo ten years ago.

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Okay, I've created the Stepping from Eden forum here.

Rorx, I wasn't sure if you wanted this forum to be in Aberrant or Trinity games, so I've put it here in Aberrant for the time being. I've moved the relevant threads into this forum and I've given you Moderator status (I was in a rush so I couldn't be bothered with the fiddly stuff just make you Mod of this forum, so I made you a full Moderator).

JC

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SkyLion    1

Yeah...god point...Is it a Trinity Game OR is it an Aberrant game? It's both! I dunno, seems like the setting is Trinity though...hmmmm........ ::unsure

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Rorx    3

I had originally thought of just tacking a couple of topics onto the existing Stepping from the Light Forum, but this works just as well. As to where it should be, I don't think it really matters, and I have a sneaking feeling that the Nova guys are likely to post more than the psions, so maybe it should be here in Aberrant IC

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SkyLion    1

hey Rorx! I thought you could use a gentle kick in the pants to get that Eden info up, and get us one more step to firing up this here kiln! ::happy

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Rorx    3

Yeah Sky, I know, just trying to figure out how to do it. Do I scan the stuff from SF and OCR it back to text to reduce the size of the file, but maybe that would be difficult with copyright somewhere in the world. Or I could re-type it, paraphraring and/or summarising as I go. Or perhaps just a timeline and bullet point summary.

So you see my quandary.

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Yeah, I see the problem. Personally, especially since I am the site owner, I'd rather that copyrighted material scanned from a book not be put up here because it could come back to bite me in the ass. However, if you PM'd the details to players that would cause no problem as far as eononline.net is concerned. Paraphrasing the material here on the forums, timelines and such would probably be the best way (and should not have any copyright issues; just call it a review). If it is your own material mixed in with the source stuff, then there will be even less of a problem. I realise that this would mean typing up a fair amount of stuff, but saying that the most comprehensive details in Stellar Frontiers are only a couple of paragraphs, it shouldn't be too much of a problem.

Incidentally, I've been thinking of creating a sourcebook for Eden for some time now, but there is a scarcity of stuff to put in it. Stepping from Eden is a prime opportunity to develop backstory, plots and general stuff for such a sourcebook... just a thought really.

JC

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Heru    0

This is very interesting game, one in which I have to strongly consider joining. I have to read the various posts in the subforum, but it seems like its a cool thing to do.

If I join I would play a nova, probably one of the original novas who colonized Earth. I would be all pro-nova, and pro-nova running governments over baselines. But anymore concepts would require me to read over the entire thread, which I am in the process of doing.

So yeah, color me interested. I love Eden, the idea of an interstellar nova colony, and the sci-fi elements of Trinity.

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Heru    0

Here is a question for you about your version of Eden.

Okay, I know that the novas rule and dominate Eden society, politically legally and judicially.

Is this in a sort of council of novas, a.k.a a Nova Deliberative, in which each nova has but a single vote and that majority of novas speak. And that through this the bodies that both novas and baselines are created. Some laws only affect novas and others only effect baselines, and the most few effect both novas and baselines.

By the way, and this might just be me, when I picture Eden society I kinda think of the First Age society of the Exalted setting. The one in which the Solars rule and all that and described in the Dreams of the First Age box set.

I gotta say, while I own and read through the two parts of the Stellar Frontier book about the setting (the in-game front section and the ST back section) I was just wondering if you made any tweaks or changes to that society and culture that I would need to know.

PS. Sorry if it already sounds like I am in the game when you haven't even given me permission yet. :)

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Heru    0

A couple things to keep in mind: 60 NPs and Q6 is available if you want it...

Yeah, 60 NP will go along way to making an awesome character I think.

And as to Q6, I want, I want, but I don't know if I will choose to get it. Despite the age of the character and the concept of a nova who wishes to better himself and expand his knoweldge, the greater levels of taint might cause problems.

This does lead to a question to the ST - am I the one picking out Aberrations, or does the ST. I know that both options exist. I personally would want to pick them, because I would choose ones that make sense in light of my character and what he is.

Another question (which i think I posed somewhere else), does the 60 NP go above and beyond the normal character creation points (i.e., dots) that a character gets for attributes, abilities and backgrounds?

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Heru    0

Here is a question, I am guessing that there is no point in taking Backgrounds that relate to purely Eden society, right? I mean as a nova on Eden I would have 5 Allies, 5 Backing, 5 Contacts, 5 Influence, etc. But all that is useless when I am off Eden, and there is no feasible way (as in my character, not all characters) to have those things on Earth.

What I am asking is that pretty much the Backgrounds I take should be those that would continue to benefit my character after leaving Eden, things like Attunement, Dormancy, Eufiber, and Node, right?

I am just making sure. :)

Not that it needs to be said, but this is all dependent on my approval, if I am not in the game, then its meaningless. :)

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Rorx    3

Ok Heru, your in, but I think you better be the last Nova, there are still spaces for Psion escorts.

The 60np is the Total Nova Pts, NOT an additional amount.

Yes, you get to choose you Aberrations, but remember there is a ceiling of Taint 5 and you still look as human as possible. After all part of the reason for this visit is to show that Eden Novas are not the insane monstrosities that the Aberrants are.

The Eden I'm using is standard canon, however a lot of things were left unclear or not covered and I will determine those as and when necessary or I feel like it! ::biggrin

Backgrounds

Yep, mainly the Nova specific ones. However, you could also negotiate effective Resources with the UN, or take valuble materials in order to set up your own accounts for independent Resources. Finally, with an appropriate history and luck you may be able to access funds, caches or general Resources you left behind, but remember you didn't expect to come back, ever.

If you have spent time with them you could have developed Allies, Contacts or perhaps even Mentor or Status with the Upeo/Starcrossed, Aeon (::sly) or the UN.

Backgrounds on Eden wouldn't be automatic as you seem to suggest/assume Heru, but would have to be bought as appropriate to how much you engage in Nova and/or baseline society. The exception would be Resources 5+ with regard to baseline society, which all Novas would have.

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Heru    0

Thanks for the information, I'm working on the character as I speak. I already have the background I just am having a hard time on figuring out the powers.

Like I said, usually I am the ST so its hard for me to actually figure out what exact powers that I want besides the "all of them" :)

By the way, if I took spacial Manipulation from Teragen, could I include Telport and Warp as techniques?

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SkyLion    1

the book does say teleport etc could be allowed with ST approval. I would say the caveat being the usual that suite techniques are slightly weaker than their non suite counterparts.

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Heru    0

Yeah, that is why I asked, the fact that it can change from ST to ST. If it is allowed I will take Spatial Manipulation as a power, if it is not allowed I will take Warp instead.

Though I am having trouble determining what powers I want and at what levels. Its frustrating. hehe

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Rorx    3

Sorry Heru, you can have the Teleportation as a suite power as that was a lvl 2 power to begin with, but not Warp as that is already a lvl 3.

Unless someone can come up with suitable weakness to drop it a lvl?

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Heru    0

Sorry Heru, you can have the Teleportation as a suite power as that was a lvl 2 power to begin with, but not Warp as that is already a lvl 3.

Unless someone can come up with suitable weakness to drop it a lvl?

I get your ruling, and I am fine with it as your the ST and its your decision. This does mean that it will take some more time as I need to even look more into finding the powers. The story came easy, the powers not so much.

But I gotta say, from the point of looking at the game as a ST, it doesn't make sense that they would mention that Warp could count as a technique even though its more powerful than the other techniques. Though, and this is just a thought, wouldn't the techniques of a level 3 power be equivalent to level 3 powers. Because there are techniques in the Aberrant Players Guide that have prerequisites that make them higher than the normal techniques that are found in the core book.

This is just a discussion, not so much a debate as to your ruling.

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Rorx    3

Perhaps, but most of the stuff in the APG is based on the higher Q numbers rather than the normal levels.

Elsewhere it has been said that you could take techniques from suite powers as individual powers or parts of a Bodymorph as though they were Lvl 2 powers.

In general I see no reason that a lvl3 suite should contain lvl 3 techniques. However, a lvl 4 version of the suite power could have lvl 3 techniques...?

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Alex Green    0
Unless someone can come up with suitable weakness to drop it a lvl?
Same as TK when it's used as a suite technique, 2 succ buys 1. Or -5 succ.

Though IMHO T-port and Warp aren't especially balanced as techniques; Spacial Manip is over powered already as a suite.

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Heru    0

If the only way that I can have warp is for me to loose my capability at it if its within Spatial Manipulation then its not actually worth my taking it. I will probably just take the Warp power itself as I was not planning on taking any of them at really high levels.

Anyway, thanks for the ideas.

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Heru    0

Some Flaws I was thinking of taking. I need to do some thinking on the nuances of the flaws, but this is just preliminary ideas. I wasn't planning on taking all of these, this is just a list of flaws that interest me.

*Intolerance

*Lusty (This only matters if our game is going to have some more 'adult' content, not to much, but just some)

*Overconfidence

*Obsession

*Vengeful (can I take this in a way that I can still take my time and logically get even, rather than do it immediately and without thought. The official version is 2 points, I figure that allowing me to take my time might only give me 1 point)

*Debt (I would think it might be an interesting thing if I somebody aided me in the past and now I own them, I would take the 1 point or 2 points, but it wouldn't be something really extreme)

*Secret (this would need to be worked on, but it could provide some cool plot points that could work to make it tough for my character, but fun for me as a player)

*Enemy (I would choose a Psion or something from Earth, rather than a Nova from Eden. While it wouldn't be fun for my character, I want something like this to be fun for me as a player)

Merits

*Internal Compass

*Natural Leader

*Sexy (same as Lusty, only useful if we are going to cover some more adultish ground)

*Taint Resistant

Below is a list of some of the Aberrations I want

*Aberrant Eyes

*Anima Banner

*Unearthly Beauty

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SkyLion    1

Re: Vengeful

The Trinity Payers guide gives the option of being either vengeful to everyone that crosses you or to take it as a discreet hated foe.

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Heru    0

Re: Vengeful

The Trinity Payers guide gives the option of being either vengeful to everyone that crosses you or to take it as a discreet hated foe.

That is interesting, I will have to look at that.

My idea for the fault is that I am willing to go years without acting back, but the moment I can I will do what I need to destroy them utterly. I like the idea of having my character take the long view on things, that he doesn't need to strike back today for he can next week and make it so much sweeter.

He is good to his friends, but will utterly destroy his enemies.

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I just realized something, all the novas from Eden will know each other. Since their are only like 60 of us we will have much common history even before the game starts. This won't be the common "so the PCs walk into a bar and adventure hits" :)

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SkyLion    1

Well please remeber that a flaw that isn't really a flaw is worth no points. Sounds more like a personality quirk than a real flaw. Vengeful is a flaw because it compells you to act NOW. Something to keep in mind.

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Heru    0

SkyLion,

Yeah, that was why I was trying to figure out if it worked for me. Though Vengeful, as written, is a 2 point Flaw. If I take it as only 1 flaw it still works, but it is less powerful and might allow me to wait.

That is, of course, that the ST allows it. :)

But yeah, I totally agree with you that it might end up being a character quirk rather than a mechanics situation. And that might actually be better for me.

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Heru    0

This is the list of Flaws that I was thinking of taking and the internal characterization of them for my character. Opinions and thoughts (and approval from the ST) are welcome and wished for.

Flaws (Total: 11]

*Costume Fetish [1 point Flaw]

*Enemy [1 point Flaw]

*Intolerance [1 point Flaw]

*Lusty [1 point Flaw]

*Trademark [1 point Flaw]

*Obsession [2 point Flaw]

*Debt [2 point Flaw]

*Enemy [2 point Flaw]

Costume Fetish - Due to his personal belief in his majesty, he can always be seen wearing his eufiber suit. Appearance wise, the suit looks much like a trenchcoat that a fascist or such group would wear. Only under the most extreme extreme situations would even take up considering to maybe remove it, though the chances of this are slim to none.

Intolerance - Because of the years Imperos spent overseeing his small American town, and then living on Eden where novas dominate, he is really intolerant of baselines acting like they are equals of novas. He is capable of overcoming this intolerance if it is absolutely required, but the thought of a baseline inferior treating him like an equal causes problems.

Lusty - Imperos like the pleasures of the flesh, at least those that come from those of the male gender. He really only has romantic parings with novas (who he can be an equal with) but is capable of having physical relations with even baseline males. But such relationships are strictly physical and have no basis in romance. Because of his personal power and authority he sees no reason to hide such relationships or to resist most of them.

Trademark - Imperos has always had a thing in which he believes that those inferior to him should not hide who they are. In his mind the most often used thing that hides oneself is the clothes one wears. To this end every time he defeats a foe he must strip them naked of their clothing. He strips males completely and poses them in obscene positions, and for women he just strips them naked. It causes some problems but rarely does he need to hide the fact that it is he who does such things.

Obsession - Imperos firmly believes that the sign of a true nova is acting with honor and respect to all, even those that are beneath him. To that end he will not taunt, make fun of or even belittle his opponents. He will always act with honor and never insult another person, at least not in an in-your-face way. It is one of his personal prides that he is willing to sit across a table and act with honor to his most hated opponent, rather than insult them or cause a scene.

Debt - Years ago a nova came to Imperos' aid and helped him in a situation that he would not have been able to accomplish on his own. To that end he declared that he is willing to do a single thing, no matter what it is (as long as it is similar to what he asked years ago), for that nova. Imperos figures that this debt will be called upon in the most inconvenient time, but no matter what, he is willing to accomplish it.

Enemy - Not long after contact betwen Earth and Eden was reestablished a baseline diplomat from the UN came to Eden. Not understanding Eden culture the baseline thought himself an equal of the elite novas running the world. Because of this the natural intolerance that Imperos has for baselines as equals reared its head, and Imperos found ways to cause problems for the baseline. The baseline, realizing that it was Imperos, ended his time on Eden and went back to Earth, with cold burning hatred for Imperos. Now that Imperos is going to Earth, the baseline (who is somewhat politically connected) is in a position to try and harm the nova.

Aberrant Eyes - As he gained more and more understanding of quantum energies he discovered that they began changing him. One of the main changes was that his normal skyblue eyes gained swirling patterns within them.

Unearthly Beauty - The quantum energies that constantly swirl around his physical form has done more than grant him powers. It has made his body seem as beautiful as a a marble statue. Everything about his form is perfect, from the contours of his muscles to the movement and height of his skin. Though not in anyway disturbing, there is something about his perfect body that causes others to feel as if there is something not exactly right.

Disturbing Voice - His eyes and his body were not the only things to change, his voice did as well. Sounding perfect to those who hear it, his voice is like an angel in tone and pattern. It so perfect that others feel that it is not right, no normal person has such a perfect voice.

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Aberrations as Flaws

On the top of page 92 in the Aberrant Player's Guide it says that "characters may opt to take aberrations as Flaws. ... As a general guideline, low-level aberrations are 1-2 point Flaws, medium-level are 3 points, and high-level aberrations are 5 point Flaws."

There were a number of other Aberrations that I wished to take. May I take them as Flaws and gain Bonus Points from that.

*Aberrant Eyes - I will be suing the fact that the character's eyes have ever swirling patterns within them.

*Unearthly Beauty - I will be using that the character's appearance is physically perfect.

*Disturbing Voice - I will be using the concept that the character's voice is like the voice of an angel.

The question is that are these three Aberration Flaws considered to be 1 point Flaws or 2 point flaws, I used 2 points as the standard within my character creation document. Anything else would cause quite a lot of mathematical headache (not that I won't do it if I am ruled against, I am just saying.)

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Just a checkup, because i cannot tell if this is just a common house rule or a standard rule, but if I have Quantum 6 does that mean I can have Ability 6, or does that still cap at 5? I know it would be 6 if this was Exalted, but I don't remember exactly if that is an Aberrant rule as well, or if 5 is the max.

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Just a checkup, because i cannot tell if this is just a common house rule or a standard rule, but if I have Quantum 6 does that mean I can have Ability 6, or does that still cap at 5? I know it would be 6 if this was Exalted, but I don't remember exactly if that is an Aberrant rule as well, or if 5 is the max.

Nope. Abilities cap out at 5, though powers may go up to Q level. This is balanced by the massive bonuses generated by Mega-Attirbutes to appropriate skills. Just buy the relevant skill and attribute up to 5 and you've got 10 dice before you even add in a Mega.

In other news, still feeling a little bit left out here. Jack Jameson has Quantum 2, Taint 0, 6 Mega Attributes and every skill at 4 or higher, no flaws or aberrations either. Far less powerful than everyone else... keeping those Novas with Intolerances towards baselines in line is probably going to take every bit of skill I have (granted I have skill in abundance).

RE: Intolerance flaw (and indeed any behavioural flaw)

Bear in mind folks, this is a DIPLOMATIC mission, so anyone not on their best behavior WILL likely be sent back to Eden by the mission commander. Just bear this in mind when building flaw-crippled Taint monkeys that we're Edenites, not Teragen. Anyone too hostile to baselines would not be selected as an ambassador at this stage since relations with Earth are fragile at best. Feel free to get the Q-juice from you characters, but extreme min-maxing is not necessary to tell a good story.

Just my Two Cents,

JC

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Heru    0

On the issue of Ability maxes, that does make sense. A character with Mega-Intelligence 1 (for example) is beyond normal human level, so there is no reason to have Ability 6. Thanks for the update, I have recently been spending a lot of time working on Exalted, which is why I am getting the rules somewhat mixed up.

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Your right Jackson Creed, as this is a diplomatic mission playing nice with the natives is a major thing.

Though I have to say that I personally thought that most of the interactions would be between Edenites and psion ambassadors, that way both sides can get what they want done.

I also have to say that, for my character at least, being respectful is one of his flaws as well. Which means no matter how much he hates talking to baselines s if they were equals, he will not be downright nasty or blow up - he will smile, be honorable and then find ways to secretly insult them using quips and one liners that sound polite but actually are not. :)

I must say, it also makes a lot of sense why Eden would said the higher Quantum novas as well as the lower quantum novas. Those characters with high Quantum are the visible forces, while those that are not are the ones that interact directly and with little to know flaunting. Both sides are needed. Plus, since your character is not effected by the novas with higher taint, your character can act as a sort of insurance and peacekeeping character, able to bridge all gaps. I think it seems something that will work very very well.

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Alex Green    0

IMHO flaws should simply be part of the character. I take uneducated for character that I've already decided won't have any Int skills, I take "Lusty" for top of the line Males (which includes Ares by the way).

The break point for flaws as far as point utility is 6. Going to 10 is really excessive, for that matter even 6 is a lot considering how many points we're throwing around. I think Ares has 2.

If you're having problems with not enough points with 60 then you're probably trying to do to much. Take a hard look at the character and decide what he would buy with experience later.

RE: Internal Compass. Natural Leader, Sexy, & Taint Resistant

1) Taint Resistant is fairly pointless for PCs unless you're intending to throw a lot of power maxes.

2) Natural Leader is very pointless for PCs unless you have lots of minions around. With just other PCs trying to lead is like herding cats.

3) Sexy is all right... but if you're going to taint taint 5 I don't understand the point. Keep in mind that the only sexy does is give you more dice, and Style 5 is only one nova point.

4) Internal Compass is very nice if you have a movement power... but it's also trumped by that Enhancement which does the same thing but more so.

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Heru    0

I get what your saying and I think that your accurate in a general sense, I just think that if the flaws fit the character and don't make him incapable of being played, well, their it goes.

For example, lets take two of the flaws I choose. Intolerance and Obsession. Intolerance says that my character really does not like baselines acting above their station, Obsession says that I must always act with the character's idea of honor (which does not mean I cannot go to war).

Using the two my character dislikes baselines doing things they shouldn't but he won't directly come out and say it. Rather, he will manipulate the situation or he will secretly hint at it, or cause problems for the baseline or whatever. But he will be polite.

Debt just provides some cool in-game plot if the ST decides to use it. It doesn't have to be fun for my character, though it has to be fun for me as a player.

Enemy is just something that spices things up. It makes it so that I have somebody in the UN that dislikes me. It could be used as a cool plot point.

Trademark and Costume Fetish are just plain idiosyncrasies of my character that sets him apart. Same with Lusty.

I'm a nova and I figure that Aberrant Eyes, Unearthly Beauty, and Disturbing Voice are just quantum energy seeping into my form and changing things.

Through the use of those three things as Faults I was able to reduce my Taint to 3 and thus I am not tainted to the point where baselines can notice me.

None of this stuff effects my character's ability to be cool and fun, they spice things up.

I'm not saying that you meant me directly, I'm just saying why I decided on what I decided. Things have pretty much fallen entirely into pieces now and I am almost done with my character. Which is cool.

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knave    0

I'm not even playing in this game, but:

I think flaws are great if and only if you'd take them for your character even if they didn't give you more points. If you would do that then you absolutely should.

The other thing worth considering is that these characters have been selected to represent Eden. Selected by mega perceptive mega intelligent Novas. So when you're designing a character you should probably ask yourself if a character like this would get selected for this mission, and if not, why he or she is there anyway.

If I was GM and I saw a hubristastic character with an enemy who had to play politics I would make all the other characters dance to keep the mission from going south. And that's fine as long as the other players know that and have already bought the shoes.. ::tongue

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Heru    0

I find something funny, for the longest time I had the most difficult time of trying to figure out what I was going to do in the sense of powers. Nothing seemed to work, come up numerically correct or balanced.

And then I decided to take a chance and look at the flaw list. Then a number of people in the game provided some advice. Once that occurred everything seemed to slip into place. And now, with the exception of deciding what actual enhancements I want or whether I want to remove one enhancement and add a new Mega-Attribute, I am pretty much done point wise.

But, a single change, a single modification to how I've calculated things using a excel spreadsheet might actually cause some problems.

What I did was in a way min-maxing. I made sure that the points by gaining flaws provided me with the abilities that I wanted. The flaws work for my character, of course, but they were originally chosen to provide me with the ability to make the character I wanted. Some of the choices I made were done to get the character's stats close to where the fluff said he would - for example he is over a hundred years old, and because of that he should have high level Quantum. I only achieved that by using bonus points gained from flaws.

I think that sometimes people put to much emphasis on stats and not enough on fluff. To me the fluff comes first because i you do not feel your character than its hard to role-play your character. Once the game starts I plan on posting multiple paragraph sized posts, thus providing greater points.

I have also mentioned previously that most of the time (actually, try all of the time but now) I am the ST of an Aberrant game, not a player. So, my focus is usually on making NPCs through fluff and ignoring direct rules, or modifying them when it suits me. My villains get what they need to be what they are expected to be, whatever the rules say. So on that fluff comes first and stats come after.

This is not a post that is directed at the comments o anybody, rather its just my rambling thoughts on how I see the rpg process.

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Alex Green    0
I get what your saying and I think that your accurate in a general sense, I just think that if the flaws fit the character and don't make him incapable of being played, well, their it goes.
Fair enough. I've had characters which insisted on having 12+ points of flaws. After you step into the character's head, well, there they are.

I'm a little concerned about "Intolerance" however. It's very likely that we're going to be dealing with baseline leaders, generals and the like. Their "station", is going to be above ours.

I'm a nova and I figure that Aberrant Eyes, Unearthly Beauty, and Disturbing Voice are just quantum energy seeping into my form and changing things.

Through the use of those three things as Faults I was able to reduce my Taint to 3 and thus I am not tainted to the point where baselines can notice me.

If you have Aberrant Eyes, etc, then they're going to notice you. ;)

ST's call on whether that would also be a social disad.

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Heru    0

Fair enough. I've had characters which insisted on having 12+ points of flaws. After you step into the character's head, well, there they are.

Yeah, I was thinking about my characters and what various things for him and how he would react and then it came to me. I disgarding some flaws right off the bat because while they would give me useful points they would not fit the character.

I'm a little concerned about "Intolerance" however. It's very likely that we're going to be dealing with baseline leaders, generals and the like. Their "station", is going to be above ours.

Hmm, interesting and a good point.

But i have to tell you wouldn't pretty much all novas from Eden (based on its society and sociology) have a problem with interacting with most baselines, wehther they have points or not. I mean when you are part of a society in which baselines do not talk to novas as equals for many many decades then its hard to shake.

Though my character will NEVER think that they are above him in station, he won't be in your face nastiness. Rather, he would would be honorable (thanks to his obsession over the right method of acting). He might not think about what they are saying as deep as their ideas warrant, but he won't be like "shut up you worthless fool."

But yeah, it is worth thinking about and maybe changing and replacing with another one point flaw. Something that would make it easier for my character to interact with the baselines rather than dismiss them right off the bat.

If you have Aberrant Eyes, etc, then they're going to notice you. ;)

ST's call on whether that would also be a social disad.

True, true. Of course they would physically notice the character, its the same with the beauty and the voice one. But what I mean is that they wouldn't react in a direct psionic method - i.e., they are reacting to the character's base physical and not his Taint level. One can get over the fact that his eyes are weird much quicker than they can get over the fact that his Taint is high. :)

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SkyLion    1

First of all yes you can take aberrations as flaws. I did this myself because I had more aberration stuff than would fit with my taint. But it all works with the character.

I want to be honest and direct with you Heru: as written this doesn't seem like a good fit for this game and there are some other problems that I will point out that just scream "cheeser." Lastly there is one thing which is a bit too close to my character.

First is the enemey/intolerance angle. As Alex mentioned, you are now a liability to our mission and I don't see that you would be selected. It seems like you either did not read or did not care about the explicit instructions from Rorx that this was to be a PR game where we want to present ourselves as Novas in the best possible light. If I were you I would strongly consider going back to the drawing board on that aspect alone.

Though my character will NEVER think that they are above him in station, he won't be in your face nastiness. Rather, he would would be honorable (thanks to his obsession over the right method of acting). He might not think about what they are saying as deep as their ideas warrant, but he won't be like "shut up you worthless fool."

Again an example of you wanting a flaw but seeming to try and weasel out of it. Read Intolerance...it means you CANNOT tolerate. Not "will be pleasant and honorable." If you are going to play a bigot you have to play the bigot and that Flaw specifically says that it comes out...that is what the social penalty represents...you being an intolerant ass to other people...

Next: We have this:

Imperos firmly believes that the sign of a true nova is acting with honor and respect to all, even those that are beneath him. To that end he will not taunt, make fun of or even belittle his opponents.

Is in direct oppositon to this:

To this end every time he defeats a foe he must strip them naked of their clothing. He strips males completely and poses them in obscene positions, and for women he just strips them naked

Is it just me or does that seem to be a belittling gesture? I don't like it.

Lastly, with the Unearthly Beauty and Beatiful Voice you are basically taking my character's schtick. My whole concept revolves around "Tainted Beauty."

While not strictly out of the question to have two such characters, this, in conjunction with the other problems I mentioned above make me feel quite wary and uncomfortable about this particular character in this particular game as he is now written.

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Alistaire    0

Yeah, I don't want to look like trying to "gang-up" on you, Heru, but I have to agree that some of this sounded off to me as well. As a long-time WW ST who's done a little Abby in my time, I don't think I'd allow some of these things either. The Intolerance/Obsession combo doesn't work, like Skylion said, because instead of being two things causing you problems, they are cancelling each other out. Sure, you could take them as character traits, but unless they actually cause problems for the character (and the two points worth at that), they aren't worth the points.

And as for the eyes, beauty and voice, if it were my game I'd definately give them social penelties. After all, they are "abberant, unearthly, and disturbing"! It doesn't matter how you describe them (as beautiful, angellic, perfect, or whathaveyou), people still won't like them, and that'd be a detriment to the envoy. I'd suggest here taking the "free" taint-effects as non-flaws, call them "odd eyes" etc. so that people aren't freaked out by them, just find them... odd. I don't know how to fix it. Maybe Skylion's right and the whole concept needs to be reworked. I mean, I see your point that most Nova's on Eden would be used to the idea that they are "in charge" over baselines and deserve that respect, but as a diplomatic envoy they'd only send the ones that wouldn't show it, like your character concept shows. Just, yeah, I wouldn't give points for it.

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SkyLion    1

Actually the way I read it is not so much that Novas on Eden are so high and mighty. More like they are removed and keep to themselves. For example, baselines have their own courts and governmental postions. The Novas get involved only when they absolutely have to. yes they can take any saleable items they wish and can walk among the populace but they don't "associate" with "commoners". Guess what I mean is that most wouldn't have the bug up the ass your character does.

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Alex Green    0
But i have to tell you wouldn't pretty much all novas from Eden (based on its society and sociology) have a problem with interacting with most baselines, wehther they have points or not. I mean when you are part of a society in which baselines do not talk to novas as equals for many many decades then its hard to shake.
That was why I wanted to make my character an adult before he erupted and have that eruption reasonably recent.
Read Intolerance...it means you CANNOT tolerate. Not "will be pleasant and honorable." If you are going to play a bigot you have to play the bigot and that Flaw specifically says that it comes out...that is what the social penalty represents...you being an intolerant ass to other people...
Yes and no.

He could pay a point of willpower to overcome the flaw for this scene.

However, why should he? The general is just some piss ass baseline acting above his station. Even with the resources of a developed planet and Billions of people the army is *still* losing, which says the General is doing about as well as you'd expect. Instead of a uniform he should be wearing a clown suit. It's not unreasonable for you to point that little fact out.

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knave    0

That was why I wanted to make my character an adult before he erupted and have that eruption reasonably recent.

Yes and no.

He could pay a point of willpower to overcome the flaw for this scene.

However, why should he? The general is just some piss ass baseline acting above his station. Even with the resources of a developed planet and Billions of people the army is *still* losing, which says the General is doing about as well as you'd expect. Instead of a uniform he should be wearing a clown suit. It's not unreasonable for you to point that little fact out.

Exactly, and spending a willpower point is the gritting your teeth and apologising even when you know you're right that we all have to do sooner or later. If you're in your thirties you don't do that for snot nosed kids. Not unless you've done something truly truly terrible.

I agree with Heru that all Edenite Novas would likely feel that way somewhat - at least a bit. But I think they'd only send the ones who could restrain themselves and who were trying to be open minded about the thing- i.e. the ones who had those flaws as personality quirkes rather than borderline psychoses.

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